cornellfan {l Wrote}:You guys should calm down, remember what Donahue was able to do at Cornell and what Cornell was. I think it has been said enough what Cornell accomplished this year by going to the Sweet 16, going 29-5, etc but dont forget how bad Cornell used to be. When Donahue took over Cornell back in 2000 he inherited a team that was only in the tournament once in the modern era in 1988 to get destroyed by Arizona. This was a team that had averaged 100-200 fans a game, that had an assistant commit suicide in the 90's, this program was a joke and a disaster. For Donahue to even get this team to a tournament was a major accomplishment considering Cornell's history but for him to get them to a Sweet 16 is amazing for the Ivy league considering all the Penn and Princeton teams in the 90's-00's were only able to get 3 tournament wins and never make a Sweet 16.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:cornellfan {l Wrote}:You guys should calm down, remember what Donahue was able to do at Cornell and what Cornell was. I think it has been said enough what Cornell accomplished this year by going to the Sweet 16, going 29-5, etc but dont forget how bad Cornell used to be. When Donahue took over Cornell back in 2000 he inherited a team that was only in the tournament once in the modern era in 1988 to get destroyed by Arizona. This was a team that had averaged 100-200 fans a game, that had an assistant commit suicide in the 90's, this program was a joke and a disaster. For Donahue to even get this team to a tournament was a major accomplishment considering Cornell's history but for him to get them to a Sweet 16 is amazing for the Ivy league considering all the Penn and Princeton teams in the 90's-00's were only able to get 3 tournament wins and never make a Sweet 16.
I have to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC. Why? Because it took SEVEN seasons for him to get to .500! Let me repeat that SEVEN seasons. That would NEVER happen in big time conferences like the ACC. Like Jones said... they have to win pretty quickly or they won't be around. Period. So, if he doesn't make it to the post season by year 4 (and I mean the NCAAs not the NIT) then I really don't see how he'll finish out his contract. You CANNOT lie dormant in the ACC and think that in the 7th year you're going to make waves. It just doesn't work like that, because your peers are consistantly retooling and subsequently maintain a recruiting advantage.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:You're right, DuchesneEast, 96 is a J.O.K.E! ...and quite frankly, I don't think that being a 24th seed in a field of 96 will provide much cover. For those of you who truly understand the business that is D1 basketball, you understand that SD road ONE recruiting class into the big leagues. That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... to borrow from the analogies being put forth on another thread... SD left Cornell's cupboards bare... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
I really hope that Jones and this guy Waheed are able to land some talent really soon. ...like yesterday.
cornellfan {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:You're right, DuchesneEast, 96 is a J.O.K.E! ...and quite frankly, I don't think that being a 24th seed in a field of 96 will provide much cover. For those of you who truly understand the business that is D1 basketball, you understand that SD road ONE recruiting class into the big leagues. That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... to borrow from the analogies being put forth on another thread... SD left Cornell's cupboards bare... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
I really hope that Jones and this guy Waheed are able to land some talent really soon. ...like yesterday.
Donahue had one recruiting class because it took 6 years to get anyone decent to come to Cornell. If he had stayed I would bet Cornell would have won another Ivy title in the next 3 years. Also Donahue did not leave Cornell's cupboard that bare, we have not lost any current players or any of the 7 recruits to transferring. Most of the players we have now have not played much but I would not be surprised to see us steal an Ivy title this year from Princeton/Harvard
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:cornellfan {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:You're right, DuchesneEast, 96 is a J.O.K.E! ...and quite frankly, I don't think that being a 24th seed in a field of 96 will provide much cover. For those of you who truly understand the business that is D1 basketball, you understand that SD road ONE recruiting class into the big leagues. That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... to borrow from the analogies being put forth on another thread... SD left Cornell's cupboards bare... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
I really hope that Jones and this guy Waheed are able to land some talent really soon. ...like yesterday.
Donahue had one recruiting class because it took 6 years to get anyone decent to come to Cornell. If he had stayed I would bet Cornell would have won another Ivy title in the next 3 years. Also Donahue did not leave Cornell's cupboard that bare, we have not lost any current players or any of the 7 recruits to transferring. Most of the players we have now have not played much but I would not be surprised to see us steal an Ivy title this year from Princeton/Harvard
Key word in that sentence is STEAL. That being said... a full roster and a full cupboard are not synonymous. I'm sorry. You're losing better than 70% of your scoring. THAT is a bare cupboard by any definition.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:cornellfan {l Wrote}:Donahue had one recruiting class because it took 6 years to get anyone decent to come to Cornell. If he had stayed I would bet Cornell would have won another Ivy title in the next 3 years. Also Donahue did not leave Cornell's cupboard that bare, we have not lost any current players or any of the 7 recruits to transferring. Most of the players we have now have not played much but I would not be surprised to see us steal an Ivy title this year from Princeton/Harvard
Key word in that sentence is STEAL. That being said... a full roster and a full cupboard are not synonymous. I'm sorry. You're losing better than 70% of your scoring. THAT is a bare cupboard by any definition.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
I never said that it would be amazing if he recruits well. I intimated that he does not have a record of recruiting well and that he road a single recruiting class into the big leagues. I am confident that Jones and Waheed will be able to recruit for the reasons that you've stated... with one caveat... BC has NO BUSINESS in the ACC. That is what makes it a hard sell.
On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
I never said that it would be amazing if he recruits well. I intimated that he does not have a record of recruiting well and that he road a single recruiting class into the big leagues. I am confident that Jones and Waheed will be able to recruit for the reasons that you've stated... with one caveat... BC has NO BUSINESS in the ACC. That is what makes it a hard sell.
On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
"Lighting striking twice" refers to what then? An every day occurence?
Please keep saying "road", it's humorous. The exciting offense refers to the shift from the previous regime's to his.
Can you please outline why BC has "no business" in the ACC? I'm waiting with baited breath.
BC923 {l Wrote}:Cornellfan=good new poster
Carolina2010=shitty new poster
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
I never said that it would be amazing if he recruits well. I intimated that he does not have a record of recruiting well and that he road a single recruiting class into the big leagues. I am confident that Jones and Waheed will be able to recruit for the reasons that you've stated... with one caveat... BC has NO BUSINESS in the ACC. That is what makes it a hard sell.
On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
I never said that it would be amazing if he recruits well. I intimated that he does not have a record of recruiting well and that he road a single recruiting class into the big leagues. I am confident that Jones and Waheed will be able to recruit for the reasons that you've stated... with one caveat... BC has NO BUSINESS in the ACC. That is what makes it a hard sell.
On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
"Lighting striking twice" refers to what then? An every day occurence?
Please keep saying "road", it's humorous. The exciting offense refers to the shift from the previous regime's to his.
Can you please outline why BC has "no business" in the ACC? I'm waiting with baited breath.
My bad on the misspelling... guess that was the only error you could point out, huh... there was certainly nothing wrong with the logical reasoning being put forth. I don't get your meaning behind the 'lightning striking twice' reference... Please advise.
Re: the BC has no business in the ACC. It's the wrong region... making it a hard sell. No one south of the Mason-Dixon gives a damn about BC and I'm sure it's mutual... pointing to the low attendance levels when our teams travel up to Conte. That being said, down south... whether it's BC or Hampton-Sydney playing... it's sure to be a sell-out crowd... because these are college sports towns in EVERY sense of the word.
carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
Can you please outline why BC has "no business" in the ACC? I'm waiting with baited breath.
Re: the BC has no business in the ACC. It's the wrong region... making it a hard sell. No one south of the Mason-Dixon gives a damn about BC and I'm sure it's mutual... pointing to the low attendance levels when our teams travel up to Conte. That being said, down south... whether it's BC or Hampton-Sydney playing... it's sure to be a sell-out crowd... because these are college sports towns in EVERY sense of the word.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:That's right... a SINGLE recruiting class. Now, if lighting can strike twice, he'll be able to mirror that success at BC. But I'm being realistic here... so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops.
Lightning has to strike twice for an enthusiastic coach with many connections and an exciting offense who can now offer scholarships in a premiere conference to a school not in the middle of the woods and his assistant who has proven to be a solid recruiter on the east coast? Aren't you the one who had "to push back against this line of reasoning, i.e. trying to make the connection between SD's record at Cornell and his potential at BC." Yet now you're saying it would be amazing if he recruits well and are backing it up with showing what he did at Cornell? You're all over the map carolina.
I never said that it would be amazing if he recruits well. I intimated that he does not have a record of recruiting well and that he road a single recruiting class into the big leagues. I am confident that Jones and Waheed will be able to recruit for the reasons that you've stated... with one caveat... BC has NO BUSINESS in the ACC. That is what makes it a hard sell.
On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
"Lighting striking twice" refers to what then? An every day occurence?
Please keep saying "road", it's humorous. The exciting offense refers to the shift from the previous regime's to his.
Can you please outline why BC has "no business" in the ACC? I'm waiting with baited breath.
My bad on the misspelling... guess that was the only error you could point out, huh... there was certainly nothing wrong with the logical reasoning being put forth. I don't get your meaning behind the 'lightning striking twice' reference... Please advise.
Re: the BC has no business in the ACC. It's the wrong region... making it a hard sell. No one south of the Mason-Dixon gives a damn about BC and I'm sure it's mutual... pointing to the low attendance levels when our teams travel up to Conte. That being said, down south... whether it's BC or Hampton-Sydney playing... it's sure to be a sell-out crowd... because these are college sports towns in EVERY sense of the word.
You're an imbecile. There, I said it. You can't even troll right. Here you pose as a BC fan: "so I don't think that we should be hanging our hat on his recruiting chops" and here "I really hope that Jones and this guy Waheed are able to land some talent really soon. ...like yesterday.", yet then you out yourself as another ACC fan "pointing to the low attendance levels when our teams travel up to Conte."
Down south it's sure to be a sellout crowd, huh? Ever looked at Miami's attendance? How about GT averaging 81% last season? Or NCSU averging 68% capacity?
Why do I have to "advise" concerning the lighting striking twice reference, when you said it just over an hour ago? Can't keep your arguments straight? Genius.
HJS {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:carolina2010 {l Wrote}:On another note, I don't get why everyone keeps talking about 'an exciting offense' my GOD people... damned near every school in the ACC runs an exciting offense... so BC has no edge with that line of argument.
Can you please outline why BC has "no business" in the ACC? I'm waiting with baited breath.
Re: the BC has no business in the ACC. It's the wrong region... making it a hard sell. No one south of the Mason-Dixon gives a damn about BC and I'm sure it's mutual... pointing to the low attendance levels when our teams travel up to Conte. That being said, down south... whether it's BC or Hampton-Sydney playing... it's sure to be a sell-out crowd... because these are college sports towns in EVERY sense of the word.
Not picking on you carolina... but, I hear media-types talk ad nausea about geography when discussing BC "not belonging" in the ACC. I have always viewed it stupidity (media folks are pretty stupid and (unless they are a talking head on TV) have salaries hovering the poverty level). So, since they aren't posting here... I'll ask you...
Exactly which conferences is BC permitted to join?
I also would like to know why proximity is ignored when discussing the PAC10, Big12, Big East?
I'd also liked to know why geography was ignored and ND was considered a great "fit" by the media when the ACC explored them 5 years ago?
Finally, I'd like to know why (in discussing the B10's expansion) proximity is never discussed by the media when weighing the pros and cons?
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