BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Trilobite---SAYS ITS COACHING NOT RECRUITING?
I think what is narrow minded is assuming that a guy can't recruit well because he did not sign, or perhaps even recruit, the kids you think he should target. If a coach looks at a player and says to himself, "this kid can really be a stud for us." Then he tries to get him but doesn't, it is a failure of recruiting. If the coach gets the kid to sign, but he isn't much of a player (hello Josh Southern) then it is failure of evaluation. Brad Stevens at Butler has the kids he recruited. Everyone of them would have signed with Michigan State if MSU had really recruited them hard. Recruiting is hugely important, evaluation is hugely important. but assuming that recruiting is the answer is minimizing effective coaching and evaluation. Tommy Amaker is a heck of a recruiter. He could probably get recruits for BC equal to or maybe even better than he had at Seton Hall and Michigan. To me, excellent recruiting in and of itself is not nearly enough. Less than half of what the job calls for. Great recruiting means very little without great evaluation and great coaching. Identifying who to recruit goes hand in hand with the ability to sell your program and school. Then when you get them on campus, and in your program coach them up. Don't try to win by "out talenting" the opponent. Win by out playing the opponent, by playing as a team, by being relentless in all aspects of the game with intensity, effort and execution.
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74:
WHO AGREES WITH HIM and his post on the other thread?
I love to re-fire my posts to piss off the "so called geniuses here" many who were gung ho behind the lazy Elvis when I was calling for the barcolounger to be axed years ago?
What gives my little chicken shits?
I am leaving soon since the talent level of posts here is fading fast and embarrassing and the brains are very few.
Here is my response:
Maybe GDF will shock the world and hire a Chris Mack??
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74 >> HERE IS MY RESPONSE:
Your post has so many variables that it could go anywhere?
Remember you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
1--When Ralph Sampson was the number 1 pick in College and the NBA ---and I said before the Internet was invented he had the heart and intensity of a crippled flea. Hence, Olajawon--- and my call if many remember that Greg Oden was a stiff and Durant was the smooth gazellle player..too bad you missed that humble genius and 30 NBA GM's and everyone here said...Oden the Stiff.
Josh Southern is a lazy weed smoking brat with a few others and Al Skinner could care less so that makes it a double disaster with a Lazy Evis who had a RONCO ETCH-A-TURNOVER plastic board as his guide and ws a lousy X and O coach too.
The worst of all worlds. A few shit kids smoking dopes and floor burners with no talent.
Recruiting is a crap shoot in every sport and even in the Pro Draft, but that is the way it is in every sport, so to your point, great coaches and tacticans can take 7 second level kids and beat 7 All Americans --50% of the time. Agree.
That is why you start with the best talent which reigns supreme so if you can coach some or have assistants like Roy Williams, you get titles.
2--Roy Williams has 7 All Americans = maybe 4 more next year ...and it took them a while to gel this year and they had a nice NIT run. Roy Williams is not the best X and O, but talent reigns supreme!!!
3-Tommy Amaker is a lousy Coach and where this great recruiter bullshit came about is a mystery. He has coached for 12 years and I posted his resume and he sucks at both. At least he tries. He is an affirmative action diversity REJECT!!!
So you are so wrong and get him the fuck away from BC, and thank God Harvard is extending him! He may be their only black coach after that NYT article a few years ago...LMAO!
4-Brad Stevens is a great coach and better human being and Butler has tradionally had a great program and recruits well and has solid x and O guys. If Butler upsets Duke, it will be a great, but the odds of it happening again are very, very slim since the MSU's Duke's and Kentucky's and UNC's will just out talent and outplay the Butlers, George Mason's 8 times out of 10--with athletic talent and numbers.
Here you are dead nuts 100% wrong on recruiting.
The new sports science and 100 cameras and internet evaluation has 100,000 eyes and yes some kids develop later, and kids are looked at at age 11 at camps so the errors are minimized so your post is BULLSHIT!
Getting the talent is the biggest part of the job >>> and you can hire and fire Coaches to instill intensity, drills, and teach relentlessness llike a Nolan Richardson or Bob Knight, but without talent, you are not gonna make it in any sport at any level without some sort of solid talent base.
If you had equal talent on both teams, yes a Coach like you mentioned will win 9-10 since Skinner was a timeout saving asshole, even Dean Smith was a mediocre Coach like Roy Williams, and Knight would eat him alive along with Stevens and Mack and others!
Same with Tuffy Smith, a bad Coach and then...Kentucky started losing and kids knew Smith was a horrible Coach and they finally found a solid Coach and the best recruiter in America in Calipari.
Nope your answer which I asked on the other thread is wrong. If Stephen DOnahue has trouble recruiting....then you can bring back the greatest talent evaluator on earth even dead!!---Red Auerbach who always said, ---You gotta have the horses...BC has neither.
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Chris Mack and make a play for the Butler guy Brad Stevens if you are serious?
Two perfect family guys...Stevens wife a lawyer and 2 young kids and Mack' wife a HS Coach.
BC is not serious. Never was.
If they were Mack of Xavier would had been contacted way before Bruce Pearl.
Bruce Pearl coming to BC was a longer shot than Bob Knight.
GDF's phone call as I described in one post was reality.
The newspaper account, was cover your ass GDF, cover your ass.
Ever to Wallow in mediocrity.
soulhunter {l Wrote}:BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Chris Mack and make a play for the Butler guy Brad Stevens if you are serious?
Two perfect family guys...Stevens wife a lawyer and 2 young kids and Mack' wife a HS Coach.
BC is not serious. Never was.
If they were Mack of Xavier would had been contacted way before Bruce Pearl.
Bruce Pearl coming to BC was a longer shot than Bob Knight.
GDF's phone call as I described in one post was reality.
The newspaper account, was cover your ass GDF, cover your ass.
Ever to Wallow in mediocrity.
So you think Mack, who basically has the same history with Xavier as Pearl had with BC. Aguy who was a student at Xavier. A player, and capt for Xavier basketball. A guy who was an assistant there for a number of years, and now finally is given the reins as the head coach of his school. He is going to bail after one one year for a school he has no connection with?
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:I think I have figured it out..you know how to recruit the Duke and Kentucky level kids...
Here we go...
1--Donahue gets Pearls number from Tennessee.
2--Pearl gives Steve the cell numbers of the 3 Vol Girls who are Seniors and have graduated from Tennessee and received their degrees in the advanced field of UT CTP --- Cosmetology/Tanning/Pilates and we give them Graduate School scholarships at BC in some useless major like MBA Finance.
3--The new recruiting team is given American Express Black Cards and travels first class to the Top 100 ESPN Hoops guys and throws them a triple header special and BC is up to its maroon and gold ass in Diaper Dandies!
4--BC Eagle 25 is made Freshman Basketball Manager and runs the clandestine and candlestickittome recruiting program. the kid never stops smiling since....
The kid knocks down more ass traveling than any human being alive and know how to keep him mouth shut since 74 will show him how.
5--BC wins 5 National Titles in a row.
6--2024-2025 --BC25 writes a book after becoming a Evangelist Minister after marrying 18 year old Miss Knockersville in Tennessee and writes a tell all book on how BC got all that talent.
7--The NCAA goes back 20 years and removes BC as National Champions.
8--74 wearing his Three-Peat T-Shirt, using his walker with the tennis balls in Cowtown USA says....who gives a fuck?
9--Due to our graduation rate, BC is docked 1 scholarship and no more Recruiting "Volunteers"!!
10--25 names his first kid after 74--- Little 49.
THE END.
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:HERE IS MY MAIN POINT FOR 7 YEARS...
If Talent Reigns Supreme, ergo, and Recruiting is Job 1-10--the usual mantra in College Sports---- and then as most Coaches say when they win, they have the talent ----and of course a whole row of assistants with plastic white boards that can draw up X's and O'x...and the NUMBER ONE HIRING CRITERIA IS RECRUITING AND GETTING TALENT.......and if Stephen Donahue now has serious Jobs 1-10 deficiencies----- how is he gonna start to get the talent all over America for the classes of 2011-2012 and beyond---- if that resume problem is now being bandied about as a major weakness in the press and a concern?
Is it me? I am confused?
If you can't recruit the ACC level of talent now at an Ivy League small in the middle of no where New York, and you have serious communication recruiting issues as being printed about-----and you have a high profile ACC #1 basketball Conference opening, I mean would not recruiting be the key factor, the tipping point, the trigger for bringing in talent to Boston College as the number one hiring reason for the new "plush" opening Boston College?
We are not the mostly brainy white kids at Cornell, or say a Duke very very light, so how is Stephen Donahue going to communicate not just with the All American kids who go to Duke--- BUT the biggest pool of talent, America's black kids in the hood?
Help an old senile, geriatric drunk figure this out?
You need to recruit big time ACC talent to win.......you finally rid yourself of a Lazy Elvis recruiter.....and you hire a guy from a lower level conference, --and IVY LEAGUER NO LESS---, and now you expect him to take a huge quantum leap into the brutal recruiting wars all over America, ....and NOW!!...you have serious doubts about his recruiting skills, ability and his communication and persuasion personality to bring that talent to Boston College?
Wow, I am really confused? It must be me.
GDF always knows what he is doing.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:HERE IS MY MAIN POINT FOR 7 YEARS...
If Talent Reigns Supreme, ergo, and Recruiting is Job 1-10--the usual mantra in College Sports---- and then as most Coaches say when they win, they have the talent ----and of course a whole row of assistants with plastic white boards that can draw up X's and O'x...and the NUMBER ONE HIRING CRITERIA IS RECRUITING AND GETTING TALENT.......and if Stephen Donahue now has serious Jobs 1-10 deficiencies----- how is he gonna start to get the talent all over America for the classes of 2011-2012 and beyond---- if that resume problem is now being bandied about as a major weakness in the press and a concern?
Is it me? I am confused?
If you can't recruit the ACC level of talent now at an Ivy League small in the middle of no where New York, and you have serious communication recruiting issues as being printed about-----and you have a high profile ACC #1 basketball Conference opening, I mean would not recruiting be the key factor, the tipping point, the trigger for bringing in talent to Boston College as the number one hiring reason for the new "plush" opening Boston College?
We are not the mostly brainy white kids at Cornell, or say a Duke very very light, so how is Stephen Donahue going to communicate not just with the All American kids who go to Duke--- BUT the biggest pool of talent, America's black kids in the hood?
Help an old senile, geriatric drunk figure this out?
You need to recruit big time ACC talent to win.......you finally rid yourself of a Lazy Elvis recruiter.....and you hire a guy from a lower level conference, --and IVY LEAGUER NO LESS---, and now you expect him to take a huge quantum leap into the brutal recruiting wars all over America, ....and NOW!!...you have serious doubts about his recruiting skills, ability and his communication and persuasion personality to bring that talent to Boston College?
Wow, I am really confused? It must be me.
GDF always knows what he is doing.
Someone translate this for me. Thanks.
we should have gotten rid of skinner 4 years ago. even a "plush" tigger such as Hobbes would have been an improvement
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