HJS {l Wrote}:I posted last Monday that Skinner would be fired and that a former assistant would be hired (Coen) after a sham search. Unfortunately those words are proving prophetic (though they were mocked for like 4 days).
BCMcG {l Wrote}:I don't get this expectation that Coen and Cooley will be Skinner Part II. Sure, they were Skinner assistants, but they do have minds of their own. If you replaced your boss, don't you think you'd do things differently?
For example, Coen may have designed the tight flex, but when you have a front court of Craig Smith, Jared Dudley, and Nate Doornekamp that's a really good decision. It was incredibly effective with that personnel. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd implement something that would be suitable for the personnel the team currently has (something Skinner was unwilling to do).
While I think BC should go in a different direction, it definitely wouldn't be a "disaster" to have either of these guys as coach. They were good assistants at BC and have demonstrated success in head roles since they left.
talon {l Wrote}:If we end up hiring Coen or Cooley, does anybody think that either one of those guys would be unavailable next year?
If Coen or Cooley were at the top of GDF's list, I just don't understand why you don't just tell Al he's got one more year to prove himself. I've seen a lot of people criticize Al because he acts like his job is 100% safe. And from what Andy Katz says, he was completely blindsided by all of this.
I just don't understand why it was imperative to fire Al this year then replace him with Coen/Cooley now, when they could have given Al one more year (under pressure of losing his job) and then hire Coen/Cooley next year, when both of them will surely still be available.
BCMcG {l Wrote}:I might agree with you if you can back it up in any way, but you haven't provided any evidence.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:Can we stop with the bullshit that either Cooley or Cohen have "demonstrated success" as head coaches? Both have mediocre records at middling schools in the region. If they had demonstrated any form of success at the school, they would have already managed to make the NCAA Tournament or at the very least win a regular season conference championship.
Enough.
Both will maintain the status quo at Conte Forum which from what we've been told is not the goal of the program. The reason you hire mid-major coaches into major programs is based on a consistent track record of success and competing with major programs (read: Butler, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Siena, etc.), not based on taking historically abysmal programs and making them .500 clubs. If either of these 2 is the hire, I'm out. The basketball program won't get one cent of my money until they demonstrate a commitment to winning basketball games.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:Contrary to the theories floated by ATL that Gregory would be a bad hire based on his overbearing personality, a guy like that is EXACTLY what the current crop of players is in need of. You don't like having to work hard and not play like morons? Go find a D3 school to pick you up for your senior year, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to have you (unless your name is Josh Southern or Biko Paris, in which case I suggest you practice your "Would You Like Fries With That" pitch).
Not only that, but this isn't the NBA where a coach who barks orders and is overbearing doesn't survive long term(read: Skiles, Scott or Collins, Doug). There is turnover every single season, and full turnover every 3-4 years on the roster, so they don't have enough time to get tired of hearing your voice. If Bobby Knight can survive 4 decades at 3 schools, I think a guy like Gregory can survive at BC. Whether his outgoing or graduated players hate him is irrelevant because a) the guy won basketball games and b) those players are out the door and don't have to deal with him anymore.
I'm cool with Donahue, but a guy like Gregory is the direction I'd rather go, both for the short term (with next years crop of meat heads) and long term.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:Contrary to the theories floated by ATL that Gregory would be a bad hire based on his overbearing personality, a guy like that is EXACTLY what the current crop of players is in need of. You don't like having to work hard and not play like morons? Go find a D3 school to pick you up for your senior year, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to have you (unless your name is Josh Southern or Biko Paris, in which case I suggest you practice your "Would You Like Fries With That" pitch).
Not only that, but this isn't the NBA where a coach who barks orders and is overbearing doesn't survive long term(read: Skiles, Scott or Collins, Doug). There is turnover every single season, and full turnover every 3-4 years on the roster, so they don't have enough time to get tired of hearing your voice. If Bobby Knight can survive 4 decades at 3 schools, I think a guy like Gregory can survive at BC. Whether his outgoing or graduated players hate him is irrelevant because a) the guy won basketball games and b) those players are out the door and don't have to deal with him anymore.
I'm cool with Donahue, but a guy like Gregory is the direction I'd rather go, both for the short term (with next years crop of meat heads) and long term.
I'm not convinced Josh Soutern would dominate in the NESCAC. I'm totally seriuos about this also.
talon {l Wrote}:If we end up hiring Coen or Cooley, does anybody think that either one of those guys would be unavailable next year?
If Coen or Cooley were at the top of GDF's list, I just don't understand why you don't just tell Al he's got one more year to prove himself. I've seen a lot of people criticize Al because he acts like his job is 100% safe. And from what Andy Katz says, he was completely blindsided by all of this.
I just don't understand why it was imperative to fire Al this year then replace him with Coen/Cooley now, when they could have given Al one more year (under pressure of losing his job) and then hire Coen/Cooley next year, when both of them will surely still be available.
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