HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
talon {l Wrote}:Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
a guaranteed coaching job in the ACC?
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
talon {l Wrote}:Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
a guaranteed coaching job in the ACC?
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:But why would they need to come back to do that? Couldn't Coen just keep coaching down the street and be told the BC job is his in 2 years?
HJS {l Wrote}:talon {l Wrote}:Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
a guaranteed coaching job in the ACC?
Money. A huge effing buyout should BC go in a different direction. I mean really... do you think those guys are excited at the thought of retiring at Fairfield, Northeastern or Bryant? They are there PRAYING each and every day that someone from the Atlantic 10 notices their work and one day eventually make it to a major conference.
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:talon {l Wrote}:Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:If this is who Gene knew he was going to hire (and he has admitted that "every good AD has his short list of replacements"), why not save $3mm... bring back Coen or Cooley or O'Shea THIS YEAR as Head Coach in Waiting? Tell Al he will be retiring in 2 years. If they are being saddled with Duquette and Murphy anyway, what's the big deal? It makes the transition seemless... it allows Skinner to save face... and it provides BC with endless amount of good press. Clumsily firing Skinner... paying a huge buyout... and then promoting a staffer... is Jags/Spaz all the eff over again.
Why would Coen or Cooley agree to come back and sit on Skinner's bench for 2 years?
a guaranteed coaching job in the ACC?
But why would they need to come back to do that? Couldn't Coen just keep coaching down the street and be told the BC job is his in 2 years?
Byrdcall J {l Wrote}:I don't think this would be a good situation though if it had played out that way in terms of the product on the court, however.
If there was ever a coach who wouldn't be completely insulted by a GDF power play like that it would be a humble guy like Skinner, but even this would be really pushing it.
HJS {l Wrote}:Byrdcall J {l Wrote}:I don't think this would be a good situation though if it had played out that way in terms of the product on the court, however.
If there was ever a coach who wouldn't be completely insulted by a GDF power play like that it would be a humble guy like Skinner, but even this would be really pushing it.
I totally disagree. BC would be bringing back one of HIS guys. I ain't talking about bringing Donahue in to do that... yes, that would've been a mess. Coen/Cooley would just come back and do what they did for all those years before they left... run practice and recruit. They would be running every aspect of the program except not-calling timeouts and in-bound plays. THIS is the way you gently push out a longtime coach.
HJS {l Wrote}:Byrdcall J {l Wrote}:I don't think this would be a good situation though if it had played out that way in terms of the product on the court, however.
If there was ever a coach who wouldn't be completely insulted by a GDF power play like that it would be a humble guy like Skinner, but even this would be really pushing it.
I totally disagree. BC would be bringing back one of HIS guys. I ain't talking about bringing Donahue in to do that... yes, that would've been a mess. Coen/Cooley would just come back and do what they did for all those years before they left... run practice and recruit. They would be running every aspect of the program except not-calling timeouts and in-bound plays. THIS is the way you gently push out a longtime coach.
BC '00 {l Wrote}:Not sure where we are in disagreement. When I said I didn't think it would be a good situation, I'm just speculating that if Gene's main reason for letting Al go was the excitement surrounding the program, I wouldn't expect either Coen or Cooley returning as an "assistant" with quiet control of the program to be able to change that paradigm surrounding the program right away (with regards to ticket sales or "selling the program")
Wins and losses on the other hand...
BC '00 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Byrdcall J {l Wrote}:I don't think this would be a good situation though if it had played out that way in terms of the product on the court, however.
If there was ever a coach who wouldn't be completely insulted by a GDF power play like that it would be a humble guy like Skinner, but even this would be really pushing it.
I totally disagree. BC would be bringing back one of HIS guys. I ain't talking about bringing Donahue in to do that... yes, that would've been a mess. Coen/Cooley would just come back and do what they did for all those years before they left... run practice and recruit. They would be running every aspect of the program except not-calling timeouts and in-bound plays. THIS is the way you gently push out a longtime coach.
Would a coach who thinks they deserve a HC job agree to come back to BC as an assistant after running their own program for a while? Even as HC-in-waiting? Jimbo Fisher didn't leave a head-coaching spot to get that title.
HJS {l Wrote}:BC '00 {l Wrote}:Not sure where we are in disagreement. When I said I didn't think it would be a good situation, I'm just speculating that if Gene's main reason for letting Al go was the excitement surrounding the program, I wouldn't expect either Coen or Cooley returning as an "assistant" with quiet control of the program to be able to change that paradigm surrounding the program right away (with regards to ticket sales or "selling the program")
Wins and losses on the other hand...
Excitement won't be created if either is hired as the head coach either. I am saying if GDF is determined to go down this road, it would have been a better play to do the coach-in-waiting thing. That route, btw, would also help with recruits who would see the clear succession of power. Isn't this exactly what is playing out in Cuse?
BC '00 {l Wrote}:Would a coach who thinks they deserve a HC job agree to come back to BC as an assistant after running their own program for a while? Even as HC-in-waiting? Jimbo Fisher didn't leave a head-coaching spot to get that title.
HJS {l Wrote}:BC '00 {l Wrote}:Would a coach who thinks they deserve a HC job agree to come back to BC as an assistant after running their own program for a while? Even as HC-in-waiting? Jimbo Fisher didn't leave a head-coaching spot to get that title.
Absofuckinglutely. Fairfield and Northeastern are another coaching move away from being eligible for a Big 6 conference job. Just watch how long it will take either of those guys to land another big job should they miss out on BC. And, the Jimbo Fisher analogy is stupid because there aren't enough micro-majors playing football. But, if he was the head coach at Citadel... yes... he would leave that post for a chance to be coach-in-waiting at FSU.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I disagree with Fairfield and Northeastern being two stops away from BC. McCaffery went from Siena to Iowa. The drunk went from Northeastern to UConn.
There is something to be said for promoting guys from the region. Wisconsin has a track record of doing it. Southern Illinois to Illinois was a big jump for Weber. I could go on.
HJS {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I disagree with Fairfield and Northeastern being two stops away from BC. McCaffery went from Siena to Iowa. The drunk went from Northeastern to UConn.
There is something to be said for promoting guys from the region. Wisconsin has a track record of doing it. Southern Illinois to Illinois was a big jump for Weber. I could go on.
Siena has some track record with Hewitt going to GT. But, both McCaffrey and Hewitt were hot names for quite some time before they were able to make their move. The UConn hire isn't really relevant to today's world. UConn was dogcrap and Northeastern was winning freaking big with Reggie Lewis. Yes... if Coen or Cooley land the next Reggie Lewis and ride him to 100 wins and 4 consecutive NCAA appearances... yes... they could get a major gig. But, it is that kind of stars-alligning scenario that they face. At the same time, one bad year from either of them and they are set back another 3 years.
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:Bottom line is this is a stupid idea becuase there is no reason Coen would need to come back as an assistant for two years in order to be the heir to the job.
Byrdcall J {l Wrote}:Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:Bottom line is this is a stupid idea becuase there is no reason Coen would need to come back as an assistant for two years in order to be the heir to the job.
Art, I respect your opinion but I think you are getting caught up in the prestige of the coaching jobs in question and not seeing HJS' original point in terms of logistics and PR.
Coen and Cooley will be forever linked to Al Skinner. GDF has publicly gone on record as saying he wants to shake things up with this hiring and change the culture that was surrounding the program. Wouldn't you say that he has less incentive to hire them based on their association with the coach he just fired? I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that they coach at Northeastern and Fairfield, it was just a hypothetical explanation that if GDF knew he wanted them to take over the program, he could have asked them to come back and quietly assume control with a guarantee that they'd be named head coach and receive their payday at the end of Skinner's contract.
Now they have to worry about competing with Steve Donahue et. al and Gene's comments that he wanted to part with Skinner and his philosophy.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:BC '00 {l Wrote}:Would a coach who thinks they deserve a HC job agree to come back to BC as an assistant after running their own program for a while? Even as HC-in-waiting? Jimbo Fisher didn't leave a head-coaching spot to get that title.
Absofuckinglutely. Fairfield and Northeastern are another coaching move away from being eligible for a Big 6 conference job. Just watch how long it will take either of those guys to land another big job should they miss out on BC. And, the Jimbo Fisher analogy is stupid because there aren't enough micro-majors playing football. But, if he was the head coach at Citadel... yes... he would leave that post for a chance to be coach-in-waiting at FSU.
I disagree with Fairfield and Northeastern being two stops away from BC. McCaffery went from Siena to Iowa. The drunk went from Northeastern to UConn.
There is something to be said for promoting guys from the region. Wisconsin has a track record of doing it. Southern Illinois to Illinois was a big jump for Weber. I could go on.
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:No I get his point...I just think it's stupid. I don't think Coen or Cooley should get the job. If in the scenario laid out, GDF decided he wanted one of them and was going let Al finish his contract, there is no good reason they need to be here as an assitant for two years for that to happen. That is my main point.
HJS made the silly comment that Fairfield and NU are two steps from BC, which is also a stupid statement refuted by facts, but never let those get in the way.
HJS {l Wrote}:1972-1986 Jim Calhoun
That is a list of 28 coaching names. How many moved directly to a major conference (besides Calhoun who rode Reggie Lewis to a horrible UConn program in the fledgling Big East)?
HJS {l Wrote}:1998-2006 Tim O'Toole
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