eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
I'm with you on Skinner assistants. Nothing against Coen or Cooley, but we need to move on and hiring anyone from the Skinner coaching tree is not the way to do that.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
Since you mentioned Donahue, I get the sense that Cooley is much more of a rah-rah type than Donahue (based on the little that I know about him). Further, he built Fairfield's program to respectability much faster than did Donahue at Cornell, who plays in a similarly weak conference.
Basically, I think it's fool-hardy to eliminate a candidate solely based on his lineage. Sure, I don't want Coen/Cooley to get an advantage in the search, but to eliminate them right-off-the-bat solely based on their connection to Al is eliminating two good coaches for no good reason, IMO.
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:How about eliminating someone (Cooley) because their resume is not nearly solid enough to warrant an ACC head coaching job?
Three years of .500 basketball at a MAAC school, with no tournament appearances. A number of years as an assistant (not the top assistant, either) for the coach you just paid $3 million to go away.
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
branchinator {l Wrote}:If our Napoleonic dwarf trades Al Skinner and $3 million for Ed fucking Cooley, I'm going to lose it. It makes absolutely NO sense to get rid of Skinner if you're going to replace him with one of his assistants. None.
apbc12 {l Wrote}:Pookie84 {l Wrote}:How about eliminating someone (Cooley) because their resume is not nearly solid enough to warrant an ACC head coaching job?
Three years of .500 basketball at a MAAC school, with no tournament appearances. A number of years as an assistant (not the top assistant, either) for the coach you just paid $3 million to go away.
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
Fairfield has win more games each year Cooley has been there, and missed the tourney this year after losing to Siena in overtime in the MAAC championship game. Not saying that he's ready, or anywhere near my first choice, but there are plenty of signs that he's a capable coach.
branchinator {l Wrote}:apbc12 {l Wrote}:Pookie84 {l Wrote}:How about eliminating someone (Cooley) because their resume is not nearly solid enough to warrant an ACC head coaching job?
Three years of .500 basketball at a MAAC school, with no tournament appearances. A number of years as an assistant (not the top assistant, either) for the coach you just paid $3 million to go away.
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
Fairfield has win more games each year Cooley has been there, and missed the tourney this year after losing to Siena in overtime in the MAAC championship game. Not saying that he's ready, or anywhere near my first choice, but there are plenty of signs that he's a capable coach.
So, Fairfield couldn't get it done in the MAAC tourney and Coen's NU team gagged down the stretch against UConn in the NIT. These guys really have learned from Al.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
Since you mentioned Donahue, I get the sense that Cooley is much more of a rah-rah type than Donahue (based on the little that I know about him). Further, he built Fairfield's program to respectability much faster than did Donahue at Cornell, who plays in a similarly weak conference.
Basically, I think it's fool-hardy to eliminate a candidate solely based on his lineage. Sure, I don't want Coen/Cooley to get an advantage in the search, but to eliminate them right-off-the-bat solely based on their connection to Al is eliminating two good coaches for no good reason, IMO.
Pookie84 {l Wrote}:
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
HJS {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
Since you mentioned Donahue, I get the sense that Cooley is much more of a rah-rah type than Donahue (based on the little that I know about him). Further, he built Fairfield's program to respectability much faster than did Donahue at Cornell, who plays in a similarly weak conference.
Basically, I think it's fool-hardy to eliminate a candidate solely based on his lineage. Sure, I don't want Coen/Cooley to get an advantage in the search, but to eliminate them right-off-the-bat solely based on their connection to Al is eliminating two good coaches for no good reason, IMO.
This is beyond retarded. We shouldn't eliminate them right off the bat because of their connection to the coach GDF just slammed as horrible and playing a boring brand of BB??? The only fucking reason they are being considered at all for the job is BECAUSE of their connection with Skinner. Jesus Christ! Their resume won't get them a sniff at an Ivy or A10 school. Not a freaking courtesy interview!!! Why not look at Dr. Brett Reed. He is under 40, a freaking PHD and has coached at an academic school.
Gene is full of fail and anyone who thus far approves of the smalltime we-are--what-we-are search he is conducting should surrender their diploma immediately since they don't have a freaking clue what "Αἰέν ἀριστεύειν" means.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:apbc12 {l Wrote}:Pookie84 {l Wrote}:How about eliminating someone (Cooley) because their resume is not nearly solid enough to warrant an ACC head coaching job?
Three years of .500 basketball at a MAAC school, with no tournament appearances. A number of years as an assistant (not the top assistant, either) for the coach you just paid $3 million to go away.
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
Fairfield has win more games each year Cooley has been there, and missed the tourney this year after losing to Siena in overtime in the MAAC championship game. Not saying that he's ready, or anywhere near my first choice, but there are plenty of signs that he's a capable coach.
So, Fairfield couldn't get it done in the MAAC tourney and Coen's NU team gagged down the stretch against UConn in the NIT. These guys really have learned from Al.
Fixed.
PS: Stop being a duche.
HJS {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hiring Ed Cooley is an unmitigated disaster. Anyone is better than Skinner IMO, but Cooley is an awful choice.
Why do you say that? What leads you to believe that Cooley would be a disaster?
I don't want ex-Skinner assistants and his record at Fairfield, who doesn't play in a strong mid-major conference, is blah at best.
I'm in the Donahue camp for full disclosure here. He's consistently finished near or at the top of the Ivy 5 years running, young, energetic.
Since you mentioned Donahue, I get the sense that Cooley is much more of a rah-rah type than Donahue (based on the little that I know about him). Further, he built Fairfield's program to respectability much faster than did Donahue at Cornell, who plays in a similarly weak conference.
Basically, I think it's fool-hardy to eliminate a candidate solely based on his lineage. Sure, I don't want Coen/Cooley to get an advantage in the search, but to eliminate them right-off-the-bat solely based on their connection to Al is eliminating two good coaches for no good reason, IMO.
This is beyond retarded. We shouldn't eliminate them right off the bat because of their connection to the coach GDF just slammed as horrible and playing a boring brand of BB??? The only fucking reason they are being considered at all for the job is BECAUSE of their connection with Skinner. Jesus Christ! Their resume won't get them a sniff at an Ivy or A10 school. Not a freaking courtesy interview!!! Why not look at Dr. Brett Reed. He is under 40, a freaking PHD and has coached at an academic school.
Gene is full of fail and anyone who thus far approves of the smalltime we-are--what-we-are search he is conducting should surrender their diploma immediately since they don't have a freaking clue what "Αἰέν ἀριστεύειν" means.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Look, we all want a big name coach. I'm just not sure Pearl is coming here. So suggest another name. Frank Martin ain't coming here either nor is Bobby Knight so forget those names.
branchinator {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:apbc12 {l Wrote}:Pookie84 {l Wrote}:How about eliminating someone (Cooley) because their resume is not nearly solid enough to warrant an ACC head coaching job?
Three years of .500 basketball at a MAAC school, with no tournament appearances. A number of years as an assistant (not the top assistant, either) for the coach you just paid $3 million to go away.
We're in the ACC. We can't attract a surer thing than that?
Fairfield has win more games each year Cooley has been there, and missed the tourney this year after losing to Siena in overtime in the MAAC championship game. Not saying that he's ready, or anywhere near my first choice, but there are plenty of signs that he's a capable coach.
So, Fairfield couldn't get it done in the MAAC tourney and Coen's NU team gagged down the stretch against UConn in the NIT. These guys really have learned from Al.
Fixed.
PS: Stop being a duche.
You spelled "douche" wrong. Might want to fix the spelling.
Cadillac90 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Look, we all want a big name coach. I'm just not sure Pearl is coming here. So suggest another name. Frank Martin ain't coming here either nor is Bobby Knight so forget those names.
So you are saying "we are what we are." BC will never get a big name coach so they shouldn't pursue one.
Cadillac90 {l Wrote}:
Agree, agree, agree...shoot for the fucking moon already. BC will never shake the media's perception of its sports programs unless BC starts making significant changes to its sports programs. It starts with hiring coaches. This is an opportunity to say "fuck off" BC is a place that big name, successful, well established coaches want to go. You guys all want to be like Villanova and Georgetown so why would you settle for ex-assistants or mid-major guys who have had limited success?
I think Coen or Cooley are more of sure thing than most options. I don't know if either will take us to the next level or have Conte rocking, but I am confident they can win 20ish game, 9+ ACC games and have us in the tourney on a consistent basis.
We could attract a bigger name given our conference but money and power issues will be a turn off to many good candidates. Hell, earlier this week, Mooney wasn't even sure if BC was the right job for him.
Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." If that's true, only great things are in store for the Fairfield University men's basketball program because there is no one more enthusiastic than Head Coach Ed Cooley. If enthusiasm is contagious, then Ed Cooley is what is known as a carrier.
thebs19 {l Wrote}:Cadillac90 {l Wrote}:
Agree, agree, agree...shoot for the fucking moon already. BC will never shake the media's perception of its sports programs unless BC starts making significant changes to its sports programs. It starts with hiring coaches. This is an opportunity to say "fuck off" BC is a place that big name, successful, well established coaches want to go. You guys all want to be like Villanova and Georgetown so why would you settle for ex-assistants or mid-major guys who have had limited success?
You mean the schools that hired coaches of Princeton and Hofstra? Got it.
Look, not trying to be an asshole here with my first post of whatever (btw, big fan of this spot as a great source of info on the program(s) so I lurk often), but the Chicken Little attitude regarding this search (which is in hour, what, 36??) is disconcerning.
Realize that 'Coach Flip' hasn't done much to earn the benefit of the doubt, but the interview he gave was encouraging and he's basically interviewing guys that are at least somewhat interesting or had to be interviewed (if anyone really thought Coen and Cooley wouldn't at least be given courtesy interviews they're idiots) that are AVAILABLE TO DO SO right away. We've got time. If he makes a decision after today, then yeah, the search was a crock. But imploring him to hire Brad Stevens when his team is preparing for the fucking Final 4 is ridiculous. He's not gonna be talking to team (if at all) until at least midweek next week. So calm down. See it thru. I'd personally like to see a hungry mid-major guy than some retread, personally. And thats exactly what Cooley, Donahue, Mooney, etc are. So I don't see the problem with what Gene is doing right now. I don't understand why people are pointing to the records of these guys are reasons why they are or aren't good candidates. Think of the resources they work with - look at things like recruiting prowess, improvement of the program since they arrived, etc. Pointing to the fact that Mooney hasn't gotten RICHMOND to the Final Four or Ed Cooley has yet to have a 30 win season at Fairfield.
I'd love us to get a Pearl, Stevens, Few, etc. But if we don't, that doesn't mean its Gene's fault. You have to find the motivation of a guy like that to come here. I'm having trouble finding it. I'd be very happy finding the next Jay Wright before he becomes Jay Wright, if you know what I mean. It doesn't have to be Bruce Pearl to get excitement around the program going again.
Anyways, thats my two cents here. Flame away.
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