Art Vandelay {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:I'm liking Keno Davis more and more. But there's no denying his Big East failure this year. His team was better than how they played. Players like Marshon Brooks and Sharaud Curry and not to mention an NBA future star in Jamine Peterson shold've done better than 12-19. I smell a good recruiter-bad in game coach. That's why I like Bill Coen.
Good recruiter awful coach...hmm who does that remind me of?
Roy Williams?
Yes, that is certainly worthy of sarcasm. I mean, there is no reason to say a guy is a great recruiter and bad coach when he takes 7 MCDs All Americans to a glorious first round victory in the NIT.
I'm pretty sure you get a pass when you won the national championship last year, made the final four the year before, and made the elite 8 the year before that. This was the first time since 1989 that he didn't make the NCAA tournament, and the only reason he didn't make it the first year as a head coach was because the school was ineligible due to prior violations. On top of this, he has never lost in the NCAA tournament in the first round. That is 20 consecutive years of at least winning one game in the tournament.
Nice try though.
Yes, the fact that his NBA teams have had trouble losing college games has
everything to do with how he calls plays and uses timeouts. He gets a pass for fucking up All Americans, but Al doesn't get a pass when you all don't think he has any talent?
I think his point was that this season was a fuck up for Roy Williams, but its one fuck up in a series of successful seasons most recently a national championship. When Al wins a national championship the next year I'll give him a pass if he pisses himself on the sidelines while losing to NJIT.
Just curious - what is it you are basing your contention that Roy Williams is a shitty coach? I know we have all witnessed Al sucking as a game coach up close and personal (flex offense, no adjustments, odd rotation, no timeouts etc). What is the basis for claiming Williams is a terrible game coach? I'm not saying your wrong by the way becuase I really don't know for sure, but it seems like everyone has opinions on these coaches and I wonder what they are based on. It's not like we see them in action enough to judge them as we do Al.
Seems to me results are the main thing and 2 National Championships and 7 final fours while winning 80% of your games is pretty good. We all know he can recruit, but he had an excellent recruiting class this year as you point out so if he didn't know how to coach wouldn't he have fucked up a 5 star recruiting class sometime in the last 22 years like he did this year?
So simply getting to the tournament is good enough for Roy Williams and not Al Skinner? Because this is not the first team Roy has fucked up, just the first team of All Americans that he has fucked up so bad that he missed the NCAAs entirely. Paul Pierce, Raef LaFrentz, Jacques Vaughn, Scot Pollard and the 1997 Kansas Jayhawks say hello. And that is hardly the only example. Roy Williams' Kansas teams were always the bracket favorites for early round exits.
I base my opinion of Roy Williams on two things: 1) watching him look clueless 10 times a year on TV (and once or twice live) and 2) the fact that he has had an average of just under 1.5 NBA players per season in his 22 years. That works out to almost 6 NBA players for any given 4 year period. Not that most of them stay for all four years, and only some of them were NBA stars, but you get the point.
No one disputes Roy Williams' ability to bring the talent in, although it ain't that difficult where he has coached. The guy got a premier job at Kansas by being a recruiting guru for his overrated mentor, and never came up through the ranks of smaller programs, earning his stripes. He has been able to survive on great recruiting.
Ask a UNC fan what they think of Roy's in-game coaching. You'll probably get an unfair answer this season, but they have always been critical of his ability to use the chalkboard.
End of the day, recruiting is part of his job and he gets credit for that. Running a good program and being a CEO is part of his job, and he gets credit for that. But saying you can't criticize his strategic ability because he has won a couple of national titles, while shitting on Al for not making the Final Four, ignores the grotesque talent discrepancy that has existed. Part of that is Al's failures in recruiting, part of it is that BC is not UNC. No excuses. But at UNC and Kansas, 2 National Titles in 22 years does not, by definition, make you a great Xs and Os guy.
"We remind everyone that Boston College fired a perfectly good coach because he went on a job interview, and deserves all of this." Spencer Hall