claver2010 {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:would definitely check in to see if the hurley in the dessert wants to come back east
hurley a la mode?
i hate you
wait - are you one of my brothers
claver2010 {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:would definitely check in to see if the hurley in the dessert wants to come back east
hurley a la mode?
i hate you
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Recruiting under the current staff has been fine, it just hasn't been deep enough to be any good. They always seem to have one or two decent ACC guards every year, but that is not enough when the rest of the roster stinks. You either need to guys like that at every position or you need some superstars.
I actually don't hate the current roster. They have 4-5 good players. It is not enough. But the coach stinks and they should be more successful than they are with little Langford, Felder, Tabbs and Heath. Mitchell and big Langford are fine bench options. This should be a decent team.
Karnik too. And Rich Kelly is also a fine bench option. This is a perfectly believable NCAA tournament team. 65 fucking teams make that per year. Are there really 65 rosters better than that? What’s strange is Jim Christian has won more games with lesser teams. Probably because they didn’t buzzsaw his ass with a brutal schedule.
They clearly loaded up on the schedule to communicate to JC “You’d have been cooked if not for covid. Here. You can keep your job if you make the NCAA tournament with this schedule.” Jim probably looked at the schedule and was like “Alright. So. I’m fired? Why give a fuck then.”
What would have been far wiser was simply firing Jim and giving the talented roster to a new coach with a normal schedule. Instead, they petty fucked Jim Christian with a barbed dildo which only ended up fucking themselves
Karnik and Kelly should never play with an ACC team and their presence illustrates my point.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:would definitely check in to see if the hurley in the dessert wants to come back east
Hard pass.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:would definitely check in to see if the hurley in the dessert wants to come back east
Hard pass.
BC is a really different deal than URI and ASU
claver2010 {l Wrote}:would definitely check in to see if the hurley in the dessert wants to come back east
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:So the geniuses at ESPN say it will likely be Eisley or Schmidt, which makes absolutely no sense on its face. You don’t pull the trigger mid-season if you are going to hire an alum who isn’t a candidate for another big job. Besides which, having spoken to some Bonnies very close to Schmidt, because of the comedic disaster Bates made of Schmidt’s last interview, Schmidt would only take the BC job at this point if he was the only candidate and his interview was a perfunctory formality.
Hmmmmm
2007–08 St. Bonaventure 8–22 2–14 14th
2008–09 St. Bonaventure 15–15 6–10 11th
2009–10 St. Bonaventure 15–16 7–9 8th
2010–11 St. Bonaventure 16–15 8–8 7th CBI First Round
2011–12 St. Bonaventure 20–12 10–6 4th NCAA First Round
2012–13 St. Bonaventure 14–15 7–9 11th
2013–14 St. Bonaventure 18–15 6–10 9th
2014–15 St. Bonaventure 18–13 10–8 T–7th
2015–16 St. Bonaventure 22–9 14–4 T–1st NIT First Round
2016–17 St. Bonaventure 20–12 11–7 5th
2017–18 St. Bonaventure 26–8 14–4 2nd NCAA First Round
2018–19 St. Bonaventure 18–16 12–6 4th
2019–20 St. Bonaventure 19–12 11–7 T–5th
2020–21 St. Bonaventure 10-3 8-3
St. Bonaventure: 236–183 (.563) 123–105 (.539)
Just 2 conference championships in 14 seasons? Meh. Yeah I don't see ANYTHING there that leads me to believe that what Schmidt did (and is currently doing) at St Bonnie's gives us any evidence that he would be a significant upgrade over Jim Christian. The 2017-2018 season, that seemed to be a whole lot of Jaylen Adams and Matt Mobley.
If he can win now, great, hire him today. If he cant recruit more players like Jaylen Adams, hire him. But one or two in 14 years, meh.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:So the geniuses at ESPN say it will likely be Eisley or Schmidt, which makes absolutely no sense on its face. You don’t pull the trigger mid-season if you are going to hire an alum who isn’t a candidate for another big job. Besides which, having spoken to some Bonnies very close to Schmidt, because of the comedic disaster Bates made of Schmidt’s last interview, Schmidt would only take the BC job at this point if he was the only candidate and his interview was a perfunctory formality.
Hmmmmm
2007–08 St. Bonaventure 8–22 2–14 14th
2008–09 St. Bonaventure 15–15 6–10 11th
2009–10 St. Bonaventure 15–16 7–9 8th
2010–11 St. Bonaventure 16–15 8–8 7th CBI First Round
2011–12 St. Bonaventure 20–12 10–6 4th NCAA First Round
2012–13 St. Bonaventure 14–15 7–9 11th
2013–14 St. Bonaventure 18–15 6–10 9th
2014–15 St. Bonaventure 18–13 10–8 T–7th
2015–16 St. Bonaventure 22–9 14–4 T–1st NIT First Round
2016–17 St. Bonaventure 20–12 11–7 5th
2017–18 St. Bonaventure 26–8 14–4 2nd NCAA First Round
2018–19 St. Bonaventure 18–16 12–6 4th
2019–20 St. Bonaventure 19–12 11–7 T–5th
2020–21 St. Bonaventure 10-3 8-3
St. Bonaventure: 236–183 (.563) 123–105 (.539)
Just 2 conference championships in 14 seasons? Meh. Yeah I don't see ANYTHING there that leads me to believe that what Schmidt did (and is currently doing) at St Bonnie's gives us any evidence that he would be a significant upgrade over Jim Christian. The 2017-2018 season, that seemed to be a whole lot of Jaylen Adams and Matt Mobley.
If he can win now, great, hire him today. If he cant recruit more players like Jaylen Adams, hire him. But one or two in 14 years, meh.
Thanks for being you. You never disappoint. He took over a program that won a grand total of 24 games against 88 loses at a school that outside of a three year run in the late 90s under Jim Barron had been a perpetual bottom dweller since Jim O'Brien crushed the program and jumped ship for BC in the early 80s. On top of that, the school was teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and his roster was CAA-level terrible. It also happens to be a school in Olean, NY with an enrollment of less than 2000.
Let me put this in terms you can understand. Bill Coen would win zero conference titles at Bonnies. Bill Coen isn't as good a coach or in the same league as a recruiter. And, no, it wasn't just Jaylen Adams or Matt Mobely, it was Andrew Nicholson, it was Youssou Ndoye--a guy the Spurs would very much like back but who is making north of $8 million in Spain, and it is a dozen other diamonds in the rough that he has found who had CAA and below level offers but who he has turned into good A10 players. Now, because it takes time to climb out of the crater that Bonaventure left itself in, he is landing guys like Osun Osunniyi who selected Bonaventure over Syracuse (you think Coen could talk a 6'11 kid who is a likely NBA player to select Northeasy over Syracuse or even BC). Every school in his conference has more money, a bigger market ands more modern facilities (although the Riley Center is a great basketball venue), and yet they are a top 4 program at this point with Dayton, VCU and Davidson. In relative terms it is the same of BC Basketball becoming a top 4 ACC program alongside Duke, UNC and Virginia and sustaining it for a decade.
Anyway, I don't think Schmidt is right for what we need now, but to look at what he has done at Bonaventure and say meh is IB-level stupid, so at least you didn't undershoot your mark.
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The A10 is a “mid major” conference because it does not support major football programs. It is like the Big East. Please make no mistake about it - the A10 and Big East are both major tier basketball conferences. They are uber competitive and annually feature multiple ranked teams. Don’t think so? The Pac-12 is less competitive than those conferences.
The fact Mark Schmidt’s teams can stand out there, but maybe not annually, isn’t that much of a deterrent for me. James Jones is a different story IMO. The Ivy league sucks. If you’re a small fish there, its in a puddle. If you are a small fish in the A10, you are in a small ocean. Schmidt making them competitive is impressive
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The A10 is a “mid major” conference because it does not support major football programs. It is like the Big East. Please make no mistake about it - the A10 and Big East are both major tier basketball conferences. They are uber competitive and annually feature multiple ranked teams. Don’t think so? The Pac-12 is less competitive than those conferences.
The fact Mark Schmidt’s teams can stand out there, but maybe not annually, isn’t that much of a deterrent for me. James Jones is a different story IMO. The Ivy league sucks. If you’re a small fish there, its in a puddle. If you are a small fish in the A10, you are in a small ocean. Schmidt making them competitive is impressive
Okay. I like math and match ups. Its objective. So from an objective sense, I always figured for hoops (in order):
- ACC
- Big-XII
- B1G T(14)N
- SEC
- AAC
- Pac-12
- Big East
- Then a REALLY big drop
- Mountain West
- West Coast
- Missouri Valley
- Then another really big drop all the way down to the middle
- MAC
- A10
Yes I agree the A10 is much better than most of the other division 1 conferences, but there are still eleven conferences better than them. If you split college hoops into 3 equal portions, the A10 would be #1 or maybe #2 in the second portion, the middle portion.
If they get Schmidt, great. I hope everything works out for BC. But still I would much rather have a proven winning coach from any team in the other 10 or 11 conferences that I think are quite a bit better than the Atlantic-10.
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The A10 is a “mid major” conference because it does not support major football programs. It is like the Big East. Please make no mistake about it - the A10 and Big East are both major tier basketball conferences. They are uber competitive and annually feature multiple ranked teams. Don’t think so? The Pac-12 is less competitive than those conferences.
The fact Mark Schmidt’s teams can stand out there, but maybe not annually, isn’t that much of a deterrent for me. James Jones is a different story IMO. The Ivy league sucks. If you’re a small fish there, its in a puddle. If you are a small fish in the A10, you are in a small ocean. Schmidt making them competitive is impressive
Okay. I like math and match ups. Its objective. So from an objective sense, I always figured for hoops (in order):
- ACC
- Big-XII
- B1G T(14)N
- SEC
- AAC
- Pac-12
- Big East
- Then a REALLY big drop
- Mountain West
- West Coast
- Missouri Valley
- Then another really big drop all the way down to the middle
- MAC
- A10
Yes I agree the A10 is much better than most of the other division 1 conferences, but there are still eleven conferences better than them. If you split college hoops into 3 equal portions, the A10 would be #1 or maybe #2 in the second portion, the middle portion.
If they get Schmidt, great. I hope everything works out for BC. But still I would much rather have a proven winning coach from any team in the other 10 or 11 conferences that I think are quite a bit better than the Atlantic-10.
I’m not sure if there is some confusion, but no, there are not 11 conferences better than the A10. The A10 is in the neighborhood of the SEC (on an avg year), Pac-12, and Big East. If you look at the A10, the names at the top are not always the same, but the names at the top are always formidable. The names at the bottom are usually not far from their days of relevance either.
I’m talking about the A10 - that includes St Bonaventure, URI, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, Davidson, Saint Louis. Even other names on there (George Mason, GW, St Joe’s) have recent periods of relevance.
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The AAC - which you mentioned - is also a good comparison for the A10; in terms of depth, ranked teams, quality of play etc
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The A10 is having a down year and the SEC is having a strong year, which doesn’t help my opinion. But it shouldn’t surprise anyone to see AAC/Big East/A10 looking better than the Pac-12 a lot of years, and better than the SEC in some years.
The MVC doesn’t have shit on those conferences though. Neither does the Mountain West (though I like them better than MVC) and the WCC is carried by 2 schools. No depth
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:The A10 is having a down year and the SEC is having a strong year, which doesn’t help my opinion. But it shouldn’t surprise anyone to see AAC/Big East/A10 looking better than the Pac-12 a lot of years, and better than the SEC in some years.
The MVC doesn’t have shit on those conferences though. Neither does the Mountain West (though I like them better than MVC) and the WCC is carried by 2 schools. No depth
SEC has recent national championship teams in Florida and Kentucky. They are not as strong in hoops as they are in football, but they are damn strong.
Pac-12 is usually just Arizona, Oregon, and (at one time) UCLA. Utah has good teams and Colorado has had some good teams. But you'll usually see Arizona or Oregon at the top in hoops in the weakest of the Power-5 conferences. Mountain West and the West Coast have been pretty powerful for just mediocre conferences. Their OOC performance against the heavies have been respectable. But that is mostly because we are talking the non-Pac 12 traditional powerhouse teams like Utah State, BYU, Boise State, Gonzaga, St Mary's, and San Diego State. Hell I think even UNLV won a national championship once.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}: All you are demonstrating right now is you know absolutely nothing about college basketball. The fact that you have the MAC ahead of the A10 is a joke and as 25 accurately points out, the A10 matches up very favorably with the AAC and the SEC.
Primetime {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}: All you are demonstrating right now is you know absolutely nothing about college basketball. The fact that you have the MAC ahead of the A10 is a joke and as 25 accurately points out, the A10 matches up very favorably with the AAC and the SEC.
He's not totally wrong - Kenneth Massey has the MAC East ahead of the A10 (not sure why he has divisions, but whatever).
https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/ncaa-d1/ratings?c=1
Say 10th-best conference in a down year. 7th/8th in a good year.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Let's slow the roll on Dayton, dumb though IB may be. The kid that went to the Knicks is terrible.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Throw in Bobby Hurley, Mark Turgeon and Boeheim if you respect their coaching acumen-I don’t, but a lot of people do.
HJS {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Throw in Bobby Hurley, Mark Turgeon and Boeheim if you respect their coaching acumen-I don’t, but a lot of people do.
Mark Turgeon resigned effective immediately. Danny Manning takes over as interim.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Throw in Bobby Hurley, Mark Turgeon and Boeheim if you respect their coaching acumen-I don’t, but a lot of people do.
Mark Turgeon resigned effective immediately. Danny Manning takes over as interim.
As those of us who were at the 2007 football debacle in College Park can attest, there is no bigger collection of scumbags on Earth than UofMd sports fans. Just awful in pretty much every way. Word on sports talk radio is that Turgeon and the AD--last seen being fired at Georgia after getting a DUI while getting road head from a 28 year old chick who wasn't his wife--do not like one another. It is also said that Evans did not have the juice, because of his past transgressions, to oust Turgeon even with Turgeon's fairly bad post season record. The evidence of that is his signing an extension earlier this year. As such, the feeling down here is that Turgeon hated his job, hated the fans, and especially hated the move to the Big 10, which absolutely murderized Maryland's recruiting efforts in the DC Metro area and to a lesser but significant degree in Baltimore after Turgeon spent years cleaning up Gary Williams overall shitty relationship with the local basketball powerhouses. He was totally burned out. Further evidence that this was Turgeon tapping out is the fact that his guy, former Kansas teammate and long time pal who he brought in off the fired coach trash heap is getting the interim gig. If Evans had been pushing this or planning it, he'd have had "his guy" waiting in the wings.
Anyway, fuck UMD and fuck their fans. I hope they enjoy being an adrift, fatherless doormat in the Big Ten. In many ways, they are the king to Nebraska's yang. Petty jealousy and hubris laying them low. I guess they still have lacrosse for another five years when the rest of the country fully catches up from a talent production development perspective with the DMV, Long Island and Central New York (although no one from CNY heads down to Maryland) and kids look at the dump that is College Park and elect to go elsewhere.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Dick:
Schmidt would never leave the Bonnies yet now he is throwing his name in the mix for UMass?
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