twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The revisionist hstory is priceless.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I don't care that much, but if you don't think Marty was a home run, then get ready for disappointment. BC is like a slap hitting second baseman, but has occasional power. You already saw it. Hope Hafley stays a while.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I don't care that much, but if you don't think Marty was a home run, then get ready for disappointment. BC is like a slap hitting second baseman, but has occasional power. You already saw it. Hope Hafley stays a while.
This is pretty much the type of argument whalpants use for NOT hiring a guy like Jarmond in the first place. There are plenty of similar-to-better options out there. Failure on the next hire doesn’t mean decisions made with the predecessor were wrong.
Besides, according to Thamel, BC matched the financials. After failing to land USC, Marty landed UCLA. Seems he was hellbent to get his family out of Boston and to Cali. He certainly wouldn’t be the first to want to do so.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I don't care that much, but if you don't think Marty was a home run, then get ready for disappointment. BC is like a slap hitting second baseman, but has occasional power. You already saw it. Hope Hafley stays a while.
This is pretty much the type of argument whalpants use for NOT hiring a guy like Jarmond in the first place. There are plenty of similar-to-better options out there. Failure on the next hire doesn’t mean decisions made with the predecessor were wrong.
Besides, according to Thamel, BC matched the financials. After failing to land USC, Marty landed UCLA. Seems he was hellbent to get his family out of Boston and to Cali. He certainly wouldn’t be the first to want to do so.
Marty wanted out. Period. Full stop. End of story. He pushed hard for the USC job, and from what I understand, he had a constituency there. When UCLA offered, there was little BC could have done to keep him. The fact is, the level of Leahy’s meddling/control/conditions make pretty much every normal P5 job more attractive then BC. It is not a “orange man bad” type situation to point out that the problem is Leahy. Talk to a Marquette booster for ten minutes about the good father and you will find that this didn’t start at BC, and in terms of future hiring—assuming you hire someone who is not hellbent to get out the minute he gets here—the money is here to pay at a scale that is competitive with all but a small handful of baby rapist programs—the issue is the level of autonomy. And while I have no problem with hiring good young talent and it moving on to bigger and better things every few years, the real truth now is that if we had a normal president, that young talent would not necessarily be hell bent on moving, as the salary is available, wealthy alums are in abundance and there is lot to be said about living in Boston vis a vis your typical shitty southern or midwestern college town.
I am not going to get into a fight about whether Marty was home run hire or merely a double. He was a big upgrade over Bates and by virtue of the fact that he wasn’t a miserable cocksucker who alienated vast swaths of the alumni he was also better than Greasy Gene, but he was not a unicorn and frankly, there are more than a handful of young, charismatic deputy ADs out there with those attributes. The problem, as it was with Marty, few of them will take the job under the current preconditions imposed by the President or if they do take it, they will be looking to leave as soon as they can even if we match the salary offer.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I don't care that much, but if you don't think Marty was a home run, then get ready for disappointment. BC is like a slap hitting second baseman, but has occasional power. You already saw it. Hope Hafley stays a while.
This is pretty much the type of argument whalpants use for NOT hiring a guy like Jarmond in the first place. There are plenty of similar-to-better options out there. Failure on the next hire doesn’t mean decisions made with the predecessor were wrong.
Besides, according to Thamel, BC matched the financials. After failing to land USC, Marty landed UCLA. Seems he was hellbent to get his family out of Boston and to Cali. He certainly wouldn’t be the first to want to do so.
Marty wanted out. Period. Full stop. End of story. He pushed hard for the USC job, and from what I understand, he had a constituency there. When UCLA offered, there was little BC could have done to keep him. The fact is, the level of Leahy’s meddling/control/conditions make pretty much every normal P5 job more attractive then BC. It is not a “orange man bad” type situation to point out that the problem is Leahy. Talk to a Marquette booster for ten minutes about the good father and you will find that this didn’t start at BC, and in terms of future hiring—assuming you hire someone who is not hellbent to get out the minute he gets here—the money is here to pay at a scale that is competitive with all but a small handful of baby rapist programs—the issue is the level of autonomy. And while I have no problem with hiring good young talent and it moving on to bigger and better things every few years, the real truth now is that if we had a normal president, that young talent would not necessarily be hell bent on moving, as the salary is available, wealthy alums are in abundance and there is lot to be said about living in Boston vis a vis your typical shitty southern or midwestern college town.
I am not going to get into a fight about whether Marty was home run hire or merely a double. He was a big upgrade over Bates and by virtue of the fact that he wasn’t a miserable cocksucker who alienated vast swaths of the alumni he was also better than Greasy Gene, but he was not a unicorn and frankly, there are more than a handful of young, charismatic deputy ADs out there with those attributes. The problem, as it was with Marty, few of them will take the job under the current preconditions imposed by the President or if they do take it, they will be looking to leave as soon as they can even if we match the salary offer.
Can anybody speak to how this man can be removed? Is our status as a bottom dweller in the ACC and our drop in academic rankings enough to force him out? He's 71 years old and has been president for 24 years. This shouldn't be a lifetime appointment like the pope.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I don't care that much, but if you don't think Marty was a home run, then get ready for disappointment. BC is like a slap hitting second baseman, but has occasional power. You already saw it. Hope Hafley stays a while.
This is pretty much the type of argument whalpants use for NOT hiring a guy like Jarmond in the first place. There are plenty of similar-to-better options out there. Failure on the next hire doesn’t mean decisions made with the predecessor were wrong.
Besides, according to Thamel, BC matched the financials. After failing to land USC, Marty landed UCLA. Seems he was hellbent to get his family out of Boston and to Cali. He certainly wouldn’t be the first to want to do so.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Leahy was not heavily involved in the Hafley process and there is a contingent of BOT members that believe in sports and got the money for Hafley staff and to match Jarmond.
The JC thing was COVID based. If no COVID, BC makes a change and if Beilien wanted the job BC would have made a move even if there had been nuclear war.
I think it is fair to say that Leahy and the BOT are all nervous about budgets and the future of college athletics. But I don't think they will hire another Bates. I think fundraising will remain a priority. They saw what a drag Bates had on fundraising and won't do that again.
HJS {l Wrote}:Yeah... yeah... yeah. We all know about Leahy and his hatred of sports. It’s pretty much been my longest running agenda on these boards.
But, MA is littered with posts over the level of brain damage elvii must’ve suffered during his mom’s failed abortion... all because he refuses to acknowledge simple successes of Trump. This is similar. If you want to hate on Leahy, you have to admit that he has had made decent moves over time. He hired TOB. He hired Skinner. He hired GDF. He got BC into the ACC. He fired GDF. He fired Bates. He hired Marty. He hired Hafley (or micromanaged the process so much that Marty left).
His downside is considerable and outweigh his accomplishments. I wanted him gone as soon as he arrived. Nonetheless, it is possible for both good and bad attributes to coexist.
hansen {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Leahy was not heavily involved in the Hafley process and there is a contingent of BOT members that believe in sports and got the money for Hafley staff and to match Jarmond.
The JC thing was COVID based. If no COVID, BC makes a change and if Beilien wanted the job BC would have made a move even if there had been nuclear war.
I think it is fair to say that Leahy and the BOT are all nervous about budgets and the future of college athletics. But I don't think they will hire another Bates. I think fundraising will remain a priority. They saw what a drag Bates had on fundraising and won't do that again.
Is there any truth that Jarmond wanted out of New England due to family reasons? We all speculate the good Father was the root cause of him wanting to jump ship (probably because it would further everyone's I-want-Father-Leahy-gone-yesterday agenda) but I read somewhere (maybe even here, I forget) that Jarmond's family did not enjoy New England life and there was almost nothing we could have done to keep him as evident by BC nearly matching his UCLA offer.
hansen {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Leahy was not heavily involved in the Hafley process and there is a contingent of BOT members that believe in sports and got the money for Hafley staff and to match Jarmond.
The JC thing was COVID based. If no COVID, BC makes a change and if Beilien wanted the job BC would have made a move even if there had been nuclear war.
I think it is fair to say that Leahy and the BOT are all nervous about budgets and the future of college athletics. But I don't think they will hire another Bates. I think fundraising will remain a priority. They saw what a drag Bates had on fundraising and won't do that again.
Is there any truth that Jarmond wanted out of New England due to family reasons? We all speculate the good Father was the root cause of him wanting to jump ship (probably because it would further everyone's I-want-Father-Leahy-gone-yesterday agenda) but I read somewhere (maybe even here, I forget) that Jarmond's family did not enjoy New England life and there was almost nothing we could have done to keep him as evident by BC nearly matching his UCLA offer.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Leahy was not heavily involved in the Hafley process and there is a contingent of BOT members that believe in sports and got the money for Hafley staff and to match Jarmond.
The JC thing was COVID based. If no COVID, BC makes a change and if Beilien wanted the job BC would have made a move even if there had been nuclear war.
I think it is fair to say that Leahy and the BOT are all nervous about budgets and the future of college athletics. But I don't think they will hire another Bates. I think fundraising will remain a priority. They saw what a drag Bates had on fundraising and won't do that again.
Is there any truth that Jarmond wanted out of New England due to family reasons? We all speculate the good Father was the root cause of him wanting to jump ship (probably because it would further everyone's I-want-Father-Leahy-gone-yesterday agenda) but I read somewhere (maybe even here, I forget) that Jarmond's family did not enjoy New England life and there was almost nothing we could have done to keep him as evident by BC nearly matching his UCLA offer.
No idea. If I recall his wife is from Pennsylvania so Mas isn't that much of a culture shock.
hansen {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Leahy was not heavily involved in the Hafley process and there is a contingent of BOT members that believe in sports and got the money for Hafley staff and to match Jarmond.
The JC thing was COVID based. If no COVID, BC makes a change and if Beilien wanted the job BC would have made a move even if there had been nuclear war.
I think it is fair to say that Leahy and the BOT are all nervous about budgets and the future of college athletics. But I don't think they will hire another Bates. I think fundraising will remain a priority. They saw what a drag Bates had on fundraising and won't do that again.
Is there any truth that Jarmond wanted out of New England due to family reasons?
eagle33 {l Wrote}:strange story in the globe this morning about jarmond. this is just the portion that talks about jarmond, the rest is about hiring inequities in the nfl. i never heard of gary washburn before, calls the firing of daz "stunning".
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/17/sports/diversity-helps-open-door-talented-candidates/?p1=Article_Recirc_Most_Popular
What UCLA did in hiring Martin Jarmond should be the blueprint for the NFL
By Gary Washburn Globe Staff,Updated May 18, 2020, 12:36 a.m.
In this chaotic time where breaking news stories are as prevalent as takeout food orders, two rather interesting stories slipped through the news cycle this week regarding diversity, and lack thereof, in power positions in sports.
Firstly, UCLA is close to hiring Boston College’s Martin Jarmond as its athletic director, the first African-American AD in school history. Secondly, the NFL is floating an idea to offer improved draft picks and added compensatory picks to teams that hire African-Americans and other minorities in coaching positions, a strong indication the Rooney Rule is an abject failure.
UCLA’s hiring of Jarmond is a refreshing move. He’s 39 years old. He’s only been an AD for three years. He is not a UCLA alum. Essentially, the school was seeking a fresh voice, a new vision, a leader who could relate to its students and younger alumni, selecting a rising candidate capable of assuming the position for decades.
The school went outside of the box for a leader, and it’s a critical time for UCLA, whose basketball and football programs have been in decline over the past few years, and have been lapped by Oregon, Washington, and Utah.
Jarmond’s performance and his ability to nab Ohio State defensive assistant Jeff Hafley after the stunning dismissal of Steve Addazio obviously impressed Bruins officials. And Jarmond also made the difficult decision to retain Eagles basketball coach Jim Christian after he appeared done following another disappointing season.
Hopefully, the hiring of Jarmond will motivate other schools to take a fresh approach to hiring athletic directors. It’s rather ridiculous that Jarmond is UCLA’s first African-American AD considering the wealth of Black athletes who have passed through UCLA from Jackie Robinson to Arthur Ashe to Rafer Johnson to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Ed O’Bannon.
But we’re here. Jarmond in 2020 is a trail blazer. Honestly, it required UCLA officials to conduct a thorough search outside their normal lens, and such a hire is admirable. But let’s be really honest here. Jarmond will carry the burden of representing the next group of aspiring minority athletic directors with how he conducts himself.
Success at UCLA is essentially deep NCAA tournament runs in basketball and a Pac-12 championship and College Football Playoff berth in football. If the Bruins thrive, other Power 5 schools will seek out ADs who look like Jarmond, those who are youthful, with fresh ideas.
And if Jarmond falters? Well, let’s not expect UCLA’s next athletic director to be Black. It’s almost too much for one man to withstand, but Jarmond fully understands the expectations.
Black coaches, athletic directors, and front office officials don’t receive the same second chances as their white counterparts. And while there are dozens of former minority NCAA athletes and academicians who would like the same opportunity as Jarmond, and are ready for such a duty, their opportunity to become an AD at a Power 5 school will likely be based on Jarmond’s success. That’s the reality of this game.
HJS {l Wrote}:To understand the difference between the UCLA and BC (dumpster fire accusations aside). Boston Globe's NFL writer did an article on UCLA hiring its new AD. The same Boston paper will likely allocate less words from its college reporter when BC hires a replacement.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:"and it’s a critical time for UCLA, whose basketball and football programs have been in decline over the past few years, and have been lapped by Oregon, Washington, and Utah."
Article had nothing to do with UCLA and everything to do with the guy BC lost.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:"and it’s a critical time for UCLA, whose basketball and football programs have been in decline over the past few years, and have been lapped by Oregon, Washington, and Utah."
Article had nothing to do with UCLA and everything to do with the guy BC lost.
What direction has BC basketball and football programs been going over the past few years? Asking for a friend.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:"and it’s a critical time for UCLA, whose basketball and football programs have been in decline over the past few years, and have been lapped by Oregon, Washington, and Utah."
Article had nothing to do with UCLA and everything to do with the guy BC lost.
What direction has BC basketball and football programs been going over the past few years? Asking for a friend.
If that were relevant to anything I'd respond the football program has been stuck in mediocre and the basketball program stinks.
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