RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:I know Belichick essentially forced Brady out, but i feel like I've lost a little respect for Brady. Tampa Bay is a pathetic organization with terrible fans. Pretty much any sports team in Florida (save for college football) could be described this way. A bunch of wannabes will pack up the stadium, but I have a feeling the best that's going to happen is that the Bucs make the playoffs as a Wild Card and go one-and-done, the excitement will die off. Either that, or Brady will end up with some sort of career-ending injury and he'll retire, leaving the Bucs to continue their pathetic existence.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
We were actually saying he wasn't good the last two seasons with the Pats.
He was better two years ago. Rough end to the season but solid playoffs. Last year he was probably in the top 9-12 range in terms of QBs.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
We were actually saying he wasn't good the last two seasons with the Pats.
He was better two years ago. Rough end to the season but solid playoffs. Last year he was probably in the top 9-12 range in terms of QBs.
Agreed that he was better two years ago, and was solid when he needed to be in the Super Bowl. But they won running Michel behind that line, Develin and Gronk. Lost Brown and Gronk and Develin gets shelved, and suddenly no one stacks the box. Pundits conclude that Michel isn't good and Brady's receivers stink.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:in defense of brady, those picks sucked and / or had bad injury luck
Michel was the reason they won the 6th SB. They got good when they stopped throwing 40 times a game.
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
I think that any sane Pats fan (not the handful of idiots that are out burning Brady shirts) will note that the loss of Brady REALLY sucks. But, the realist will say that we started to lose Brady 2 years ago. He's definitely the GOAT from a totality perspective, but he was generally just a good QB the last 2 years. He's probably still the most intelligent QB in the business, but his body can't do what it used to be able to do. Brady could never throw the long-ball all that well, but he's truly terrible at it now, and having burner WR's doesn't help if you can't throw accurate downfield throws. He'll have some success - I don't doubt that, but this isn't the same as losing Mookie Betts in his prime. I believe that the Patriots would have performed better the next 2 years with Brady rather than without him - likely similar results to this last season (Playoffs, first round exit) but at some point this was inevitable and we mind as well start working on the future. Not sure if that's Stidham or not, but one thing is for sure - nobody will ever replace Brady.
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
I think that any sane Pats fan (not the handful of idiots that are out burning Brady shirts) will note that the loss of Brady REALLY sucks. But, the realist will say that we started to lose Brady 2 years ago. He's definitely the GOAT from a totality perspective, but he was generally just a good QB the last 2 years. He's probably still the most intelligent QB in the business, but his body can't do what it used to be able to do. Brady could never throw the long-ball all that well, but he's truly terrible at it now, and having burner WR's doesn't help if you can't throw accurate downfield throws. He'll have some success - I don't doubt that, but this isn't the same as losing Mookie Betts in his prime. I believe that the Patriots would have performed better the next 2 years with Brady rather than without him - likely similar results to this last season (Playoffs, first round exit) but at some point this was inevitable and we mind as well start working on the future. Not sure if that's Stidham or not, but one thing is for sure - nobody will ever replace Brady.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:I find Pats fans saying Brady isn't good anymore now that he'll be with a different team pretty fun. It's very Boston fan of you all (note I cheer for every Boston team except for the Pats)
I think that any sane Pats fan (not the handful of idiots that are out burning Brady shirts) will note that the loss of Brady REALLY sucks. But, the realist will say that we started to lose Brady 2 years ago. He's definitely the GOAT from a totality perspective, but he was generally just a good QB the last 2 years. He's probably still the most intelligent QB in the business, but his body can't do what it used to be able to do. Brady could never throw the long-ball all that well, but he's truly terrible at it now, and having burner WR's doesn't help if you can't throw accurate downfield throws. He'll have some success - I don't doubt that, but this isn't the same as losing Mookie Betts in his prime. I believe that the Patriots would have performed better the next 2 years with Brady rather than without him - likely similar results to this last season (Playoffs, first round exit) but at some point this was inevitable and we mind as well start working on the future. Not sure if that's Stidham or not, but one thing is for sure - nobody will ever replace Brady.
From the Bucs perspective, even if he’s average, he brings a ton of excitement compared to the last 2 decades since our last SB win. I’ve endured more God awful boring football than anyone should have to endure between BC and the Bucs.
We’ll get a ton of prime time games, win ~10 games a year and lose somewhere along the line in the playoffs. It’s better than we would’ve done with Jameis. It’s also nice guys like ME13 and 12SZN will finally get the national recognition.
MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:Giants-Patriots Super Bowl on Fox right now.
What. A. Game.
MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:Giants-Patriots Super Bowl on Fox right now.
What. A. Game.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Especially given the 8 different holdings on the play. And Eli being "in the grasp" of Jarvis Green.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Glad you agree the play should have been called back because of offsetting penalties.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:It's a great move for the Pats no matter how you slice it. You're going to say that the Bucs don't need a TE but assuming he gets back in shape, this is a significant upgrade.
All of that said, make it happen now because Brady has been noticeably sliding for a couple of years now. I like the aggressive move.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:It's a great move for the Pats no matter how you slice it. You're going to say that the Bucs don't need a TE but assuming he gets back in shape, this is a significant upgrade.
All of that said, make it happen now because Brady has been noticeably sliding for a couple of years now. I like the aggressive move.
I'm not a huge OJ Howard guy. My concern is with Gronk (and his injury history)
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:If you cut Brate and the Pats sign him for free, that won't look so great. I suspect the Bucs will try to trade one of them, but not sure there's a trade market.
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