sparky {l Wrote}:I thought he was great when he used to go against us with WVU, but I don't think this is happening for a number of reasons. One, I am not sure they will fire Christian. Despite what Kenpom says the team hasn't been horrendous this year. Yes, it's a down year for the ACC but being nearly .500 in conference play is a lot better than what most people honestly expected this year. Two, I get the feeling based on the football hiring, and BC's apparent budgeting for such things, that if they do go with a new coach, that they will go with a less costly high upside young coach, rather than a 67 year old guy who will command more than double the salary the current coach gets. Considering his age, I also don't think Beilein himself would be as excited about a rebuild situation. Still fun to think about though.
bchockey04 {l Wrote}:
But it won't be a rebuild situation. If Christian is fired...realistically Beilein should be able to keep whatveer players he wants within the fold. And Christian would at least be leaving behind a half decent roster.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I haven't bothered reading the article but is there any connection to Jarmond there? Is it based solely on Christian hot seat/ACC job?
MaxxPower325 {l Wrote}:The decision to institute DBS as the team was in steep decline may have done more to decimate the fan base than the actual product. Just an amazingly short-sighted and arrogant move:!the epitome of having no sense of who you are as a program.
BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands.
This is why we have JC now
BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
HJS {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands.
This is why we have JC now
No it isn't.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
Most of this is correct. Dayton and VCU are objectively better basketball jobs than BC right now--far better facilities, far better fan bases and far better chances to build teams that can go deep in the tournament. As for the rest of the A10, the only guys who would be significant upgrades over JC--Travis Ford at SLU, Bob McKillop at Davidson, Mark Schmidt at Bonnies, are either too old and too well-paid and comfortable at their present gigs (McKillop, who's is the best game coach I have seen outside of Brad Stevens at Butler and Schmidt who has got to be one of the 3 most impressive program builder coaches out there for what he has done with Bonnies) or going to be in line for a much better job than BC (Travis Ford at SLU). I used to think Chris Mooney at Richmond was someone to watch, and what he did at Air Force and when he first got to Richmond was impressive, but the last seven years have been very mediocre and while he has them back playing in the top 4 of the conference this year and on pace for 23-25 wins, but they are 0-4 against the Top 25 and if they lose to Bonnies in Olean on Saturday, they will be 0-4 against the rest of the top 4 in the conference. Still his team is dominated by juniors and I expect that next year they will be similar to the 2010 and 2011 teams he had that made deep runs in the tournament.
With respect to Belein, I have no idea if he would have actual interest, but if the report that he would consider BC is true, I don't care how old he is, you try and get him. He's going to be gone or retired in five years? Maybe, or maybe he'll go as long as he can like Boeheim or K or Williams who are all six to eight years older than him. And yes, our facilities suck, but don't you think that raising money would be a whole lot easier with Belein onboard? And might that be part of the pitch?
Here is the pitch to Belien. (1) We will pay you at market; (2) You will get the kind of kids you like to coach here; (3) We will build a basketball facility here and you are going to have a major say in what we build; (4) You know that this is not a pressure cooker environment with an administration that turns on you on a dime; (5) Put your kid on the staff and let's rehabilitate him in a place that won't be as intense as your other options; (6) You are a Wheeling Jesuit grad who spent a decade at LeMoyne and cut your teeth in D1 at Canisius. Wouldn't it be nice to come full circle and finish up with the Jesuits? (7) You also have the opportunity in bringing this program back from the dead and helping to build a modern basketball facility and perhaps revamping the Conte Forum to put a lasting footprint here in a way that won't be available to you in other places.
My guess is that if we paid him market, the rest would be pretty persuasive. Everyone wants a legacy and while he is a lead pipe cinch for the Hall of Fame at this point, he is always going to be a secondary figure at West Virginia and Michigan. He could be at the top of the pantheon here.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:isn't it well established that hopkins would've taken the job if offered? (i tried to scrub that clusterfuck from my mind)
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
Here is the pitch to Belien. (1) We will pay you at market; (2) You will get the kind of kids you like to coach here; (3) We will build a basketball facility here and you are going to have a major say in what we build; (4) You know that this is not a pressure cooker environment with an administration that turns on you on a dime; (5) Put your kid on the staff and let's rehabilitate him in a place that won't be as intense as your other options; (6) You are a Wheeling Jesuit grad who spent a decade at LeMoyne and cut your teeth in D1 at Canisius. Wouldn't it be nice to come full circle and finish up with the Jesuits? (7) You also have the opportunity in bringing this program back from the dead and helping to build a modern basketball facility and perhaps revamping the Conte Forum to put a lasting footprint here in a way that won't be available to you in other places.
Shoreagle {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
Here is the pitch to Belien. (1) We will pay you at market; (2) You will get the kind of kids you like to coach here; (3) We will build a basketball facility here and you are going to have a major say in what we build; (4) You know that this is not a pressure cooker environment with an administration that turns on you on a dime; (5) Put your kid on the staff and let's rehabilitate him in a place that won't be as intense as your other options; (6) You are a Wheeling Jesuit grad who spent a decade at LeMoyne and cut your teeth in D1 at Canisius. Wouldn't it be nice to come full circle and finish up with the Jesuits? (7) You also have the opportunity in bringing this program back from the dead and helping to build a modern basketball facility and perhaps revamping the Conte Forum to put a lasting footprint here in a way that won't be available to you in other places.
Can you be our AD, or at least handle the recruitment of Beilein?
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:JC was a terrible hire.
That being said, there’s no chance Beilein has any interest in coming to BC at all. I think HJS is right, Jarmond is sharp and if all the rumors are true the football job was very desirable and attracted a lot of interest. The brand new facilities assuredly played a big part in that.
Right now if you’re Jarmond you’re weighing the decision between canning JC and trying to catch fire with an up and comer and trying to use that success and energy to raise money for facilities enhancements, and trying to use whatever narrative of success you can with JC to raise money to build the facilities or have the plans in place necessary to make it an attractive job for a bigger name.
Thing is, the job is pretty bad. I think you’d have a hard time getting a lot of A10 guys to come here as it stands. I’d love to get rid of JC but The list to replace him would be pretty depressing if we don’t at least have a blueprint for a practice facility.
Here is the pitch to Belien. (1) We will pay you at market; (2) You will get the kind of kids you like to coach here; (3) We will build a basketball facility here and you are going to have a major say in what we build; (4) You know that this is not a pressure cooker environment with an administration that turns on you on a dime; (5) Put your kid on the staff and let's rehabilitate him in a place that won't be as intense as your other options; (6) You are a Wheeling Jesuit grad who spent a decade at LeMoyne and cut your teeth in D1 at Canisius. Wouldn't it be nice to come full circle and finish up with the Jesuits? (7) You also have the opportunity in bringing this program back from the dead and helping to build a modern basketball facility and perhaps revamping the Conte Forum to put a lasting footprint here in a way that won't be available to you in other places.
Can you be our AD, or at least handle the recruitment of Beilein?
Counterpoint:
HJS {l Wrote}:The BC job sucks. It’s in the most competitive BB conference and would be listed in the bottom 5 from any survey of coaches (I think we’d be dead last). The program has seen a decade of ineptitude since Skinner. There is no longer a fan base to re-energize. This is a full-scale rebuild.
Could the right guy get it done? Sure. But, he’d be a miracle worker. We aren’t paying enough to pull a superstar like Brad Stevens away from the Cs. And finding a young up-and-comer is a whole lot easier said then done. I get it... Beilein would be a good hire. But, who else has this program in the Tourney in 4 years?
bobcarrington {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The BC job sucks. It’s in the most competitive BB conference and would be listed in the bottom 5 from any survey of coaches (I think we’d be dead last). The program has seen a decade of ineptitude since Skinner. There is no longer a fan base to re-energize. This is a full-scale rebuild.
Could the right guy get it done? Sure. But, he’d be a miracle worker. We aren’t paying enough to pull a superstar like Brad Stevens away from the Cs. And finding a young up-and-comer is a whole lot easier said then done. I get it... Beilein would be a good hire. But, who else has this program in the Tourney in 4 years?
Couldn't disagree more with this take. The BC job isn't ideal - we're not going to lure Tony Bennett or Jay Wright or Bill Self away from their current gigs - but the very fact that we're "in the most competitive BB conference" separates us from about 300 other D-1 jobs. And unless you think Al Skinner was a one in a million miracle worker genius, it's very possible for a good coach to succeed at BC despite the current structural disadvantages (success being defined Skinner-like, competing for the NCAAs just about every year - occasionally winning the Big East/ACC or making the Sweet 16).
Becoming Duke and repeatedly going to the Final 4 and winning a National Championship may be a pipe dream for BC - but getting back to Skinner level relevance should not at all be impossible. And at least some of the current structural disadvantages (no practice facility, poor fan base, playing in a crappy hockey arena) need not be permanent.
HJS {l Wrote}:bobcarrington {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The BC job sucks. It’s in the most competitive BB conference and would be listed in the bottom 5 from any survey of coaches (I think we’d be dead last). The program has seen a decade of ineptitude since Skinner. There is no longer a fan base to re-energize. This is a full-scale rebuild.
Could the right guy get it done? Sure. But, he’d be a miracle worker. We aren’t paying enough to pull a superstar like Brad Stevens away from the Cs. And finding a young up-and-comer is a whole lot easier said then done. I get it... Beilein would be a good hire. But, who else has this program in the Tourney in 4 years?
Couldn't disagree more with this take. The BC job isn't ideal - we're not going to lure Tony Bennett or Jay Wright or Bill Self away from their current gigs - but the very fact that we're "in the most competitive BB conference" separates us from about 300 other D-1 jobs. And unless you think Al Skinner was a one in a million miracle worker genius, it's very possible for a good coach to succeed at BC despite the current structural disadvantages (success being defined Skinner-like, competing for the NCAAs just about every year - occasionally winning the Big East/ACC or making the Sweet 16).
Becoming Duke and repeatedly going to the Final 4 and winning a National Championship may be a pipe dream for BC - but getting back to Skinner level relevance should not at all be impossible. And at least some of the current structural disadvantages (no practice facility, poor fan base, playing in a crappy hockey arena) need not be permanent.
If you look at the history of BC, Skinner was a “one in a million miracle worker” as he was the ONLY coach to ever get BC to the level of “competing for the NCAAs just about every year - occasionally winning the BigEast/ACC or making the Sweet 16.”
I’ve yet to see folks provide any suggested names of these supposedly easily found good coaches that will have us back to historic heights in a couple of years.
HJS {l Wrote}:Based solely on what they did at BC (and not what they went on to accomplish elsewhere), he’s 3rd (with the other 2 coaching here before most on the board were born).
1. Cousy
2. Tom Davis
3. Al Skinner
4. Gary Williams
Chuck Daly, Bob Zuffelato and Jim O’Brien each finished a couple of games above .500. So, from Cousy to Skinner, BC ever had a coach with a losing record. Both Don and Jimmy MAC are .400 coaches. We’ve only had 2 winning seasons since Skinner (one of which was his players in Don’s first season). From an investment in the program perspective, no physical investment has been made since Conte broke ground in 1986 (which was a benefit shared across many sports).
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