twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Gundy and Hafley are dominating this shit. Patterson's talks alot like a dude that's drunk and confused at the Kells at 3 am.
Darren6 {l Wrote}:NATIONAL CHAMPS! And one of the best CFB teams in history! Geaux Tigers
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Gundy and Hafley are dominating this shit. Patterson's talks alot like a dude that's drunk and confused at the Kells at 3 am.
It was this. Patterson was terrible. Talked over everyone and everything.
Gundy and Hafley had a good groove going but that may have been because they were working together for the Preview. Would’ve been nice to have had another Mason-like wallflower replacing Patterson. Some of the best parts of the Film Room is when they breakdown film. That’s what Gundy and Hafley were doing. Patterson was the drunk guy who would say “they should do this”... and regardless of what actually then happened in the game... then goes “See? I called it!”
b0mberMan {l Wrote}:I stayed awake for like all of the punting and then fell asleep when it was 17-14 and missed all the other stuff.
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
claver2010 {l Wrote}:b0mberMan {l Wrote}:I stayed awake for like all of the punting and then fell asleep when it was 17-14 and missed all the other stuff.
these games take way too long, i was out midway through the 3rd quarter
hansen {l Wrote}:Darren6 {l Wrote}:NATIONAL CHAMPS! And one of the best CFB teams in history! Geaux Tigers
They were without a doubt the best team this year. History might be a little much but in the end all that matters is being the champions.
Anyway, congrats on the victory, ENJOY!
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:(1) I don't understand the Patterson hatred. He absolutely called three or four big plays in advance that both Gundy and Hafley whiffed on--Hafley made a couple of admiring asides about Patterson seeing something that he missed. That isn't to say Hafley and Gundy weren't good or even better than Patterson--they were--but Patterson pulled some plays out of his ass that no one else on the panel saw coming--a couple of Burrows QB draws stand out in that regard. I also found his spot on critiques of Venables to be highly interesting and entertaining.
HJS {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:(1) I don't understand the Patterson hatred. He absolutely called three or four big plays in advance that both Gundy and Hafley whiffed on--Hafley made a couple of admiring asides about Patterson seeing something that he missed. That isn't to say Hafley and Gundy weren't good or even better than Patterson--they were--but Patterson pulled some plays out of his ass that no one else on the panel saw coming--a couple of Burrows QB draws stand out in that regard. I also found his spot on critiques of Venables to be highly interesting and entertaining.
Patterson called a couple of big plays before they happened. He also called a whole bunch more that never happened. He's basically me in the Coaching Carousel thread.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:(1) I don't understand the Patterson hatred. He absolutely called three or four big plays in advance that both Gundy and Hafley whiffed on--Hafley made a couple of admiring asides about Patterson seeing something that he missed. That isn't to say Hafley and Gundy weren't good or even better than Patterson--they were--but Patterson pulled some plays out of his ass that no one else on the panel saw coming--a couple of Burrows QB draws stand out in that regard. I also found his spot on critiques of Venables to be highly interesting and entertaining.
Patterson called a couple of big plays before they happened. He also called a whole bunch more that never happened. He's basically me in the Coaching Carousel thread.
This. And Gundy had the call of the night on the fade from the slot.
Darren6 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:Darren6 {l Wrote}:NATIONAL CHAMPS! And one of the best CFB teams in history! Geaux Tigers
They were without a doubt the best team this year. History might be a little much but in the end all that matters is being the champions.
Anyway, congrats on the victory, ENJOY!
It’s debatable, but we beat 7 top ten teams this year(at time of kickoff), a feat that I don’t believe has ever done before (5 of these teams finished in the top ten)...beat all of the top four preseason ranked teams, not that preseason rankings mean squat.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Well it's a good thing they aren't playing them then. Things change. Sports evolve. Rules change. You can only play in the context of the era you are in. No matter how many times you repeat the same argument.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Well it's a good thing they aren't playing them then. Things change. Sports evolve. Rules change. You can only play in the context of the era you are in. No matter how many times you repeat the same argument.
That is all correct. I merely raise it because most of the arguments made for why this LSU team is “the greatest ever” is their unusually prolific offense. I merely point out that their offense is only unusually prolific in comparison to some of the great teams in the past because the rules have changed so much that yards per game, points, etc. are meaningless because it has become so much easier to move the football. I point out the fact that other teams have played more impressive schedules to again illustrate that that particular stat also does not way in their favor either.
I would also agree that it is difficult to compare teams across eras because each era is unique and different and physical size has changed so radically in even the last 20 years, as such I think the only way you can make a fair evaluation is to compare the particular “all time great team” against the rest of its competition, in its era, and compare how dominant it was in that particular era versus how dominant an “all time great team” from a different era was against its contemporaries. That way you don’t run into arguments like “Well, the 1950s era Oklahoma teams would get crushed by a modern MAC team based on size and speed alone”, which is true but fails to capture what Wilkinson’s teams did and how badly they whipped up on everyone they played. Ditto Red Blaik’s army teams of WWII, Frank Leahy’s post WWII Notre Dame teams (who actually beat NFL teams in scrimmages), or the Nebraska or Oklahoma dynasties of the 1970s.
Anyway, under that sort of methodology, LSU is probably not too 10 all time, which is no disgrace, they are still an awesome team. If you have a better evaluation system I am all ears as I don’t have much of a dog in the fight—I just hate the ESPN tendency to declare newer teams or players “The GOAT” without much methodology supporting the argument.
hansen {l Wrote}:
LSU is definitely the team of this decade so far. I think that much we can all agree on.
Los {l Wrote}:Miami 2001 is still the greatest college football team I've ever seen. If not most accomplished, certainly the most talented. Reading that college roster is like reading a Pro Bowl roster from 2006.
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
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