BC96 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Jesus.
definitely as the the recruiting coordinator
I would take him to be OC. you saw what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah... who's going to be able to defend against that?
BC96 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Jesus.
definitely as the the recruiting coordinator
durkcal {l Wrote}:My Order of preference:
1. Chuck Pagano
Players Love him. (see below) Better NFL WIN % than Carroll (before USC), Saban and Herm before going to college. 59 YO, Saban was 56 and Herm 64 when they took Bama and ASU jobs. Chuck has 15 yrs college experience!
“Definitely going to miss Chuck,” Brissett said. “He’s meant so much. A great guy, a great coach. Excellent example as a man to look at. Can’t thank him enough.”
Star wide receiver T.Y. Hilton, who arrived via the draft in 2013, turned into one of the league’s top deep threats under Pagano’s command.
“Meant a lot – six years with him. A player’s coach, you know, everybody loved him. Always speak highly of him,” Hilton said of Pagano. “He’s a very emotional guy, it makes us emotional. It makes us want to play for him, and everything he did, he did for a reason. We love him.”
Tied at 2. Dave Fipp - Eagles
Chris Hewitt - Ravens
Troy Taylor - Sacramento State HC, turned them on one season from perennial doormats to Big Sky Champs (never had won conf). 2017 and 18 - OC at Utah. The QB position will return to importance in Chestnut Hill under this man
Jeff Hafley - I like his NFL experience
Glenn Thomas - Baylor OC, former Temple OC, worked with Matt Ryan as his Falcons QB coach for three seasons
Gary Kubiak
8 Joe Moorhead
Rex Ryan
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21 Pete Carmichael Jr
Mike Norvell
Don Brown
Elijah Drinkwitz
Tony Elliott
26 Clark Lea
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33 Butch Jones
Eric Mangini
35 Jason Candle
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40 Luke Fickell
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45 Bret Bielema
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50 Lance Leipold
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55 Jeff Monken
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75 Mike Elko -
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85 Michael Reed
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100 Al Washington - let him be Pagano's DC. I just really don't understand why we would give him this job and let him learn on it? What other FBS school is considering Al for head coach? The staff for a completely green head coach is going to be so vital, but is BC going to pay $1mm plus for Coordinators that can carry the weight for a green head coach? Doubt it. People are mistakenly thinking that it is getting him early. Defensive position coaches are just not comparable to coaches from the offensive side of the ball!! All the bright young guys that excel are offensive coaches at skill positions. The defensive hit rate on coaches is lower, and most of them have to go through DC and / or HC at lower level schools. And almost ALL of defensive oriented coaches turn out to be too conservative in game decisions.
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105 Anthony Campanile
AdamBC {l Wrote}:Yep, got that message too. Put my money where my mouth is. Will do so again if we make a good hire. And then again if we do the same in MBB.
hansen {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Why are we even discussing Jeff Monken? I have as much chance of being the next HC at BC as he does, which isn't to say that he has not done good things at Army. I think after the way Georgia Tech has cratered at the end of the Paul Johnson era and in the clean up thereafter, there are exactly zero P5 teams that will ever consider running the wishbone again largely because you will never be able to recruit any sort of talent in that offense--even good OL, who would prefer to work on pass blocking skills which make them marketable at the next level.
In other news, USC decided to light the 2020 season on fire by retaining Clay Helton. I never thought I would see USC exhibiting anything even remotely resembling a conscience, but it appears that the shenanigans that went on under the Poodle--and they were apparently much worse than even the NCAA came down on them for--have made the academic-powers-that-be to squash the Heritage Hall contingent and veto hiring Urbie or taking the low hanging fruit that is James Franklin.
What is really interesting is what this means for Luke Fickell or Matt Norvell. Norvell apparently declined an offer from Arkansas and is expected to decline Ole Miss as well in favor of Florida State. The Arkansas job is absolutely awful and a total coach killer, but it is possible to win sufficiently at Ole Miss and the administration will turn a blind eye to everything short of dialing up hookers from the football office and using the school G6 for hooker rendezvous paid for on school expense reports. You want to pay your players and let them do whatever they want, the school isn't going to say peep. Not sure that FSU is still an elite job, given the shitty facilities, lack of money and the fact that everyone recruits Florida. Bowden's success--as well as Schnellenberger/Johnson' success--was largely built on the fact that no one knew how loaded Florida as recruiting ground until the mid-80s and then relied on momentum to keep feeding the machine once the Notre Dames, Michigans, Ohio States, etc. started recruiting heavily down there in the late 80s. As there is no momentum anymore at FSU, I think the rebuild there is a lot harder than anyone who is still looking at it through the prism of a time that no longer exists thinks its will be.
In any case, if USC is not available this year, what does Fickell do? Is he content to stay at Cincinnati? Does he take an SEC job despite having no connection to the conference or would he take BC as an interim gig betting that he can build his resume further and wait for something better to come along or does he figure Helton is done after next year and wait it out at Cincinnati and get another easy 10 win plus season under his belt.
My only concern about Ficknell is that he takes the BC job and leaves after a year or 2. I have no problem with coaches aspiring to take the next job but having a coach bolt less than 3 years or so puts a lot of pressure to absolutely nail recruiting since there will be transfer losses and recruiting losses each time a coaching change is made... it is inevitable. unless of course, Fickell has BC win the ACC championship after 1-2 years in that case, I would absolutely fine with him leaving quickly because he at least would have taken us to the next level.
As for FSU, the rise of the directional Floridas, FIU, etc. has really hurt the UF, FSU, and Miami's of the world. It's just another recruiting challenge for schools that presumably have even lower standards and less morals than the FSUs of the world which is really saying something. They would probably even allow the athletic program to pay for team hookers on school expense reports if not for the fact that the schools are public and their books are therefore public... dirty, dirty programs.
flakes {l Wrote}:Feel like Jeff Tedford is the type of guy the admin would love and possibly we could get a QB out of it. (Not at the top of my list though)
HJS {l Wrote}:Iggle {l Wrote}:I listen to the SBNation guys and Godfrey said today that he knows that BC has been looking at Eli Drinkwitz, HC at App State, previously NC State OC. Doesn't seem super proven but I wouldn't mind that hire. Over last weekend the only news they had was that they had heard that BC was looking at Pete Carmichael Jr.
Cannot think of a more peculiar fit for BC than Eliah Drinkwitz.
eagletx {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Why are we even discussing Jeff Monken? I have as much chance of being the next HC at BC as he does, which isn't to say that he has not done good things at Army. I think after the way Georgia Tech has cratered at the end of the Paul Johnson era and in the clean up thereafter, there are exactly zero P5 teams that will ever consider running the wishbone again largely because you will never be able to recruit any sort of talent in that offense--even good OL, who would prefer to work on pass blocking skills which make them marketable at the next level.
In other news, USC decided to light the 2020 season on fire by retaining Clay Helton. I never thought I would see USC exhibiting anything even remotely resembling a conscience, but it appears that the shenanigans that went on under the Poodle--and they were apparently much worse than even the NCAA came down on them for--have made the academic-powers-that-be to squash the Heritage Hall contingent and veto hiring Urbie or taking the low hanging fruit that is James Franklin.
What is really interesting is what this means for Luke Fickell or Matt Norvell. Norvell apparently declined an offer from Arkansas and is expected to decline Ole Miss as well in favor of Florida State. The Arkansas job is absolutely awful and a total coach killer, but it is possible to win sufficiently at Ole Miss and the administration will turn a blind eye to everything short of dialing up hookers from the football office and using the school G6 for hooker rendezvous paid for on school expense reports. You want to pay your players and let them do whatever they want, the school isn't going to say peep. Not sure that FSU is still an elite job, given the shitty facilities, lack of money and the fact that everyone recruits Florida. Bowden's success--as well as Schnellenberger/Johnson' success--was largely built on the fact that no one knew how loaded Florida as recruiting ground until the mid-80s and then relied on momentum to keep feeding the machine once the Notre Dames, Michigans, Ohio States, etc. started recruiting heavily down there in the late 80s. As there is no momentum anymore at FSU, I think the rebuild there is a lot harder than anyone who is still looking at it through the prism of a time that no longer exists thinks its will be.
In any case, if USC is not available this year, what does Fickell do? Is he content to stay at Cincinnati? Does he take an SEC job despite having no connection to the conference or would he take BC as an interim gig betting that he can build his resume further and wait for something better to come along or does he figure Helton is done after next year and wait it out at Cincinnati and get another easy 10 win plus season under his belt.
My only concern about Ficknell is that he takes the BC job and leaves after a year or 2. I have no problem with coaches aspiring to take the next job but having a coach bolt less than 3 years or so puts a lot of pressure to absolutely nail recruiting since there will be transfer losses and recruiting losses each time a coaching change is made... it is inevitable. unless of course, Fickell has BC win the ACC championship after 1-2 years in that case, I would absolutely fine with him leaving quickly because he at least would have taken us to the next level.
As for FSU, the rise of the directional Floridas, FIU, etc. has really hurt the UF, FSU, and Miami's of the world. It's just another recruiting challenge for schools that presumably have even lower standards and less morals than the FSUs of the world which is really saying something. They would probably even allow the athletic program to pay for team hookers on school expense reports if not for the fact that the schools are public and their books are therefore public... dirty, dirty programs.
What about the oft raised issue that if a BC coach gets poached so quickly, it would only be because he showed dramatic results, and those results are the only thing that matters? Plus in order to realize such a quick result, it implies a significant upgrade either in the recruits, the quality of the coaching, or both. That said, even a early departure suggests the program would be in a better place.
Now, if we could only hire somebody who would bring such gravitas.
DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:He would have to change his name to Eliáš DrinkwiczHJS {l Wrote}:Iggle {l Wrote}:I listen to the SBNation guys and Godfrey said today that he knows that BC has been looking at Eli Drinkwitz, HC at App State, previously NC State OC. Doesn't seem super proven but I wouldn't mind that hire. Over last weekend the only news they had was that they had heard that BC was looking at Pete Carmichael Jr.
Cannot think of a more peculiar fit for BC than Eliah Drinkwitz.
BC923 {l Wrote}:Ole Miss and Arkansas fighting over Kiffin is a sight to behold. Not because Kiffin is a bad coach, but because both are so convinced that they are located in great places to live.
BC923 {l Wrote}:Ole Miss and Arkansas fighting over Kiffin is a sight to behold. Not because Kiffin is a bad coach, but because both are so convinced that they are located in great places to live.
HJS {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:Ole Miss and Arkansas fighting over Kiffin is a sight to behold. Not because Kiffin is a bad coach, but because both are so convinced that they are located in great places to live.
Oxford and it ain't close.
HJS {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:Ole Miss and Arkansas fighting over Kiffin is a sight to behold. Not because Kiffin is a bad coach, but because both are so convinced that they are located in great places to live.
Oxford and it ain't close.
I'm surprised that this fight isn't over Mike Norvell. Norvell currently lives an hour north of Oxford and went to college in Arkansas. I understand wanting Kiffin (basically trolling Tenn and Saban), but Norvell seems like a fit for both programs.
BC923 {l Wrote}:He likes spending time at the casino with Coeds. You wouldn’t think it’d be a problem for these two schools, but I guess it must be.
DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:He would have to change his name to Eliáš DrinkwiczHJS {l Wrote}:Iggle {l Wrote}:I listen to the SBNation guys and Godfrey said today that he knows that BC has been looking at Eli Drinkwitz, HC at App State, previously NC State OC. Doesn't seem super proven but I wouldn't mind that hire. Over last weekend the only news they had was that they had heard that BC was looking at Pete Carmichael Jr.
Cannot think of a more peculiar fit for BC than Eliah Drinkwitz.
angrychicken {l Wrote}:Can we assume that the new coach will be named early next week? Conference championships will be done and it will give a week or so to solidify the recruiting class before signing day.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:flight left from bc's airport for columbus last night, returned this AM
rumor was hafley interviewed yesterday
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eagletx {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Why are we even discussing Jeff Monken? I have as much chance of being the next HC at BC as he does, which isn't to say that he has not done good things at Army. I think after the way Georgia Tech has cratered at the end of the Paul Johnson era and in the clean up thereafter, there are exactly zero P5 teams that will ever consider running the wishbone again largely because you will never be able to recruit any sort of talent in that offense--even good OL, who would prefer to work on pass blocking skills which make them marketable at the next level.
In other news, USC decided to light the 2020 season on fire by retaining Clay Helton. I never thought I would see USC exhibiting anything even remotely resembling a conscience, but it appears that the shenanigans that went on under the Poodle--and they were apparently much worse than even the NCAA came down on them for--have made the academic-powers-that-be to squash the Heritage Hall contingent and veto hiring Urbie or taking the low hanging fruit that is James Franklin.
What is really interesting is what this means for Luke Fickell or Matt Norvell. Norvell apparently declined an offer from Arkansas and is expected to decline Ole Miss as well in favor of Florida State. The Arkansas job is absolutely awful and a total coach killer, but it is possible to win sufficiently at Ole Miss and the administration will turn a blind eye to everything short of dialing up hookers from the football office and using the school G6 for hooker rendezvous paid for on school expense reports. You want to pay your players and let them do whatever they want, the school isn't going to say peep. Not sure that FSU is still an elite job, given the shitty facilities, lack of money and the fact that everyone recruits Florida. Bowden's success--as well as Schnellenberger/Johnson' success--was largely built on the fact that no one knew how loaded Florida as recruiting ground until the mid-80s and then relied on momentum to keep feeding the machine once the Notre Dames, Michigans, Ohio States, etc. started recruiting heavily down there in the late 80s. As there is no momentum anymore at FSU, I think the rebuild there is a lot harder than anyone who is still looking at it through the prism of a time that no longer exists thinks its will be.
In any case, if USC is not available this year, what does Fickell do? Is he content to stay at Cincinnati? Does he take an SEC job despite having no connection to the conference or would he take BC as an interim gig betting that he can build his resume further and wait for something better to come along or does he figure Helton is done after next year and wait it out at Cincinnati and get another easy 10 win plus season under his belt.
My only concern about Ficknell is that he takes the BC job and leaves after a year or 2. I have no problem with coaches aspiring to take the next job but having a coach bolt less than 3 years or so puts a lot of pressure to absolutely nail recruiting since there will be transfer losses and recruiting losses each time a coaching change is made... it is inevitable. unless of course, Fickell has BC win the ACC championship after 1-2 years in that case, I would absolutely fine with him leaving quickly because he at least would have taken us to the next level.
As for FSU, the rise of the directional Floridas, FIU, etc. has really hurt the UF, FSU, and Miami's of the world. It's just another recruiting challenge for schools that presumably have even lower standards and less morals than the FSUs of the world which is really saying something. They would probably even allow the athletic program to pay for team hookers on school expense reports if not for the fact that the schools are public and their books are therefore public... dirty, dirty programs.
What about the oft raised issue that if a BC coach gets poached so quickly, it would only be because he showed dramatic results, and those results are the only thing that matters? Plus in order to realize such a quick result, it implies a significant upgrade either in the recruits, the quality of the coaching, or both. That said, even a early departure suggests the program would be in a better place.
Now, if we could only hire somebody who would bring such gravitas.
Did you, (did any of you) "regret" NCState poaching and snagging ?
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this question regarding regret. I knew after 2015, no school would ever poach BC and snag Addazio. I would love to have a coach that is good enough that other schools (even ONE school) wants to steal him from us.
angrychicken {l Wrote}:Can we assume that the new coach will be named early next week? Conference championships will be done and it will give a week or so to solidify the recruiting class before signing day.
HJS {l Wrote}:angrychicken {l Wrote}:Can we assume that the new coach will be named early next week? Conference championships will be done and it will give a week or so to solidify the recruiting class before signing day.
I think that would be their ideal timeline. However, I hope they realize that the decision is more important than the timing. So, if you have to wait to interview, announce or hire for the right guy.... you wait.
Speaking of which, Ron Riera is looking for a challenge in his next job.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ron- ... challenge/
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