2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby BC923 on Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 am

claver2010 wrote:interesting regarding the financials of FSU firing taggart:

That said, the financial implications of letting Taggart go at this point still will be wide-ranging. Florida State needed a $6.15 million transfer from Seminoles Boosters, which liquidated reserve assets, just to balance its athletic budget this summer. A new $60 million football operations building, which was set to open July 2021, was postponed this summer so the athletic department could retool its finance plan.

“Hopefully not,” Coburn said when asked if the coaching change would further delay construction on the football ops building. “I think once we figure out the buyouts and the new salaries, then we’ll have to take a step back and see where we are.”

A fundraising campaign — the school calls it “The Unconquered Campaign” — had had surpassed $70 million in pledges this summer. A significant chunk of that money is on hold in addition to the possible $20 million-plus it could cost to fire Taggart and his staff. Throw in the money it’ll take to hire another coach, assistants and any potential buyout figures associated with them, and that bill could climb closer to $30 million. That’s a lot of money and the vast majority of it is coming from the pockets of boosters.

“I think the basic concept there is (Seminoles Boosters) will have input,” Coburn told The Athletic in July. “They’ve always had input, but they’ve kind of been on the outside looking in the door or looking in the window, whereas now they’ll be inside giving input. But those basic decisions are still going to be made by the president and the athletic director.”

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Florida State sold fewer than 25,000 of its 40,000 available main bowl season-ticket seats and under 3,000 of its 6,000 Championship Club season-ticket seats. Main bowl season tickets range between $199 and $330 and Champions Club season tickets cost $2,750 per year. As a result of the declining sales of each, the FSUAA was missing out on eight digits of potential revenue.

Overall attendance for games also was dropping. Florida State had an averaged announced attendance of just 67,677 in 2018. The actual number of tickets scanned at the gate was just 41,599, figures provided to The Athletic showed. In addition to less money from ticket sales, dropping attendance means less revenue from concessions sales and more. Seminoles Boosters, which receives a minimum donation for every season ticket sold, also felt the hurt.


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Ouch. Also seen from Bud Elliot that due to becoming coed fairly recently, scholarships there are not endowed and are covered by donations every year. Furthermore, fewer rich alums than most big time schools.

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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby claver2010 on Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:40 pm

Fleck just signed a 7 year extension, so doubt he's going anywhere
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby BC923 on Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:43 pm

claver2010 wrote:Fleck just signed a 7 year extension, so doubt he's going anywhere

Congrats to him on cashing in for beating nobody
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby HJS on Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:38 pm

hansen wrote:Supposedly, the deal will be finalized at the end of this week or next. I don't see him coaching a game without at least a week of preparing the team. Would make no sense whatsoever.

https://kxy.iheart.com/content/2019-11- ... ida-state/

I’d be surprised if Stoops coaches this year. You announce the hiring now. You leave the current staff in place to finish the job. Stoops would spend his time recruiting and analyzing where the program is and where it is struggling. Since it’s FSU, he’d also take time to make the rounds with donors. With the early signing period, it makes a ton of sense to proceed in such a manner.

To that point, it shows what a shitshow Rutgers is that they haven’t announced Schiano yet.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby flyingelvii on Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:41 am

The poor Dallas Renegades. Can never catch a break.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby Onyx Blackman on Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:02 am

flyingelvii wrote:The poor Dallas Renegades. Can never catch a break.

They can just promote their O-line coach to HC.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:36 am

HJS wrote:
hansen wrote:Supposedly, the deal will be finalized at the end of this week or next. I don't see him coaching a game without at least a week of preparing the team. Would make no sense whatsoever.

https://kxy.iheart.com/content/2019-11- ... ida-state/

I’d be surprised if Stoops coaches this year. You announce the hiring now. You leave the current staff in place to finish the job. Stoops would spend his time recruiting and analyzing where the program is and where it is struggling. Since it’s FSU, he’d also take time to make the rounds with donors. With the early signing period, it makes a ton of sense to proceed in such a manner.

To that point, it shows what a shitshow Rutgers is that they haven’t announced Schiano yet.


I am not convinced about Schiano to RU anymore. If so, wouldn't have they announced him already. I think he is holding out for something better.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby HJS on Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:21 pm

DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:
hansen wrote:Supposedly, the deal will be finalized at the end of this week or next. I don't see him coaching a game without at least a week of preparing the team. Would make no sense whatsoever.

https://kxy.iheart.com/content/2019-11- ... ida-state/

I’d be surprised if Stoops coaches this year. You announce the hiring now. You leave the current staff in place to finish the job. Stoops would spend his time recruiting and analyzing where the program is and where it is struggling. Since it’s FSU, he’d also take time to make the rounds with donors. With the early signing period, it makes a ton of sense to proceed in such a manner.

To that point, it shows what a shitshow Rutgers is that they haven’t announced Schiano yet.


I am not convinced about Schiano to RU anymore. If so, wouldn't have they announced him already. I think he is holding out for something better.

I was told that they were looking to announce something in the last two weeks of the season. Which, in typical Rutgers fashion, would be absolutely dumb.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby hansen on Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:51 pm

HJS wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:
hansen wrote:Supposedly, the deal will be finalized at the end of this week or next. I don't see him coaching a game without at least a week of preparing the team. Would make no sense whatsoever.

https://kxy.iheart.com/content/2019-11- ... ida-state/

I’d be surprised if Stoops coaches this year. You announce the hiring now. You leave the current staff in place to finish the job. Stoops would spend his time recruiting and analyzing where the program is and where it is struggling. Since it’s FSU, he’d also take time to make the rounds with donors. With the early signing period, it makes a ton of sense to proceed in such a manner.

To that point, it shows what a shitshow Rutgers is that they haven’t announced Schiano yet.


I am not convinced about Schiano to RU anymore. If so, wouldn't have they announced him already. I think he is holding out for something better.

I was told that they were looking to announce something in the last two weeks of the season. Which, in typical Rutgers fashion, would be absolutely dumb.


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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby HJS on Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:27 pm

Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:55 pm

HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby Shoreagle on Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:14 pm

DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:30 am

Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:49 am

DuchesneEast wrote:
Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.


I would take Schiano.

Rutgers is an impossible job for a head coach, impossible. He at least made Rutgers competitive by dramatically elevating their recruiting, the McCourty brothers, Ray Rice. I think it was Rutgers and Schiano who were the first to beat an undefeated South Florida Bulls team that was ranked #2 nationally, a team that had already beaten Auburn earlier in the year in 2007.

Yeah, I would absolutely take Schiano. Duchie, please make it happen. Our recruiting would be dramatically improved. And recruiting is the rising tide that lifts all boats.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:09 am

Rutgers got good because 'Cuse fired their coach and RU got a lot of players including Leonard and Rice because of it.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:14 am

DuchesneEast wrote:
Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.


I saw the picture and a lot of interesting captions came to mind. Figures you would be pitching him on the BC job.

Duchie, I say this with all the love in my heart (which admittedly isn't much), BC can't hire another Eye-tie coach. No thanks.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby hansen on Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:05 pm

Dick Rosenthal wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.


I saw the picture and a lot of interesting captions came to mind. Figures you would be pitching him on the BC job.

Duchie, I say this with all the love in my heart (which admittedly isn't much), BC can't hire another Eye-tie coach. No thanks.


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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:20 pm

hansen wrote:
Dick Rosenthal wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.


I saw the picture and a lot of interesting captions came to mind. Figures you would be pitching him on the BC job.

Duchie, I say this with all the love in my heart (which admittedly isn't much), BC can't hire another Eye-tie coach. No thanks.


The eyetals always stick together... blood is thicker than water.


That is half of this board Hansen.

The other half, Irish.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:55 pm

hansen wrote:
Dick Rosenthal wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
Shoreagle wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:
HJS wrote:Rutgers supposedly has at least Butch Jones and Schiano pushing for the job. That's a pretty strong candidate pool for what has to be the worst college job in America.



If you are Schiano would you go BC or RU?


BC. You have Clemson in your division and maybe a rejuvenated FSU but you don't have Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. Hard to keep your head above water when you play those guys every year. Plus, New Brunswick is a terrible place to have to recruit to.


I spoke to him and told him, he can recruit all the non-publics in NJ at BC and it could be a great pipeline.


I saw the picture and a lot of interesting captions came to mind. Figures you would be pitching him on the BC job.

Duchie, I say this with all the love in my heart (which admittedly isn't much), BC can't hire another Eye-tie coach. No thanks.


The eyetals always stick together... blood is thicker than water.


You have to look after your own. lol

He was a good guy and of course I was pitching him, why else would I say hello. I just haven't admitted it to anyone til now.

Would have loved to hear your captions, shocked Mario didn't know who he was and he played at RU.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:05 pm

Is there absolutely no way to hire Pasqualoni away from the Lions and have him run the defense?
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby hansen on Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:08 pm

MF73-Eleazar wrote:Is there absolutely no way to hire Pasqualoni away from the Lions and have him run the defense?


I get hard just thinking about this.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby TontoKowalski on Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:04 pm

hansen wrote:
MF73-Eleazar wrote:Is there absolutely no way to hire Pasqualoni away from the Lions and have him run the defense?


I get hard just thinking about this.


It's not impossible - but we're going to need some things. First thing first, we need a five foot tall woman with a moustache. Who knows one?
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby hawaiirob on Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:24 pm

Interesting times at USC. Helton is a goner. Now, with the new AD, who will be the new coach? The new AD was rumored strongly last week, but not announced until today. Why the delay? Was it really a background check on him? Or was it him getting the right comfort level from USC's new President that he could hire Urban? Some smart USC people say no way USC hired Urban on the heels of the academic Singerman nonsense, the FBI basketball stuff, the campus gynecologist abusing coeds, and the medical professor doing crack with gals in hotel rooms...and of course the not to distant Bush crap that lingers from the last time USC was really good. Other USC people say it's all systems go and we're rich bitch and we're hiring Urban! Will be fun to watch.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:27 pm

hansen wrote:
MF73-Eleazar wrote:Is there absolutely no way to hire Pasqualoni away from the Lions and have him run the defense?


I get hard just thinking about this.


finanancially, if you guessed, how much $$$ would we have to offer in order for his agent to say, "This is a real, pls think about his one".
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby DuchesneEast on Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:00 pm

MF73-Eleazar wrote:
hansen wrote:
MF73-Eleazar wrote:Is there absolutely no way to hire Pasqualoni away from the Lions and have him run the defense?


I get hard just thinking about this.


finanancially, if you guessed, how much $$$ would we have to offer in order for his agent to say, "This is a real, pls think about his one".


$1mm a year?
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Postby MF73-Eleazar on Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:33 pm

That doesn't sound outlandish. I assume the current salary for the position is half of that.
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Postby DuchesneEast on Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:09 am

MF73-Eleazar wrote:That doesn't sound outlandish. I assume the current salary for the position is half of that.


May as well have paid Don Brown that and kept him.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby eagle33 on Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:33 am

deion sanders to fsu. i hope this happens.
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby claver2010 on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:21 am

i couldn't believe it, it would be hilarious
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Re: 2019-2020 Coaching Candidate Thread (this time for reals)

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:29 am

eagle33 wrote:deion sanders to fsu. i hope this happens.


FSU is a glorious train wreck. A neighbor down in Captiva is a big booster and he tells me that the entire Athletic Department is on the verge of economic collapse. The booster fund is completely depleted, the athletic budget basically begged the boosters for a massive cash infusion just to keep the department running last year and the football attendance/season ticket holders is down massively--exacerbating the already disastrous financial outlook. The Taggert firing and the money it is going to take to pay him off is basically going to leave them--financially speaking--at the bottom of a crater. They haven't even figured out how to pay for a new appropriate coach. The fact is, that it is going to take five years, at a minimum, to clean up this superfund-sized disaster. Oh, and in addition to all this, the state is giving them nothing towards the athletic program and is currently looking to right size the bloated administration (which is actually a smart and sensible policy) so while they are busy shooting expensive and worthless school administrators they have to be circumspect about athletic spending.

Florida State should also be a warning that the college football arms race has gotten to the point where very few schools will be able to participate. Building a new, state of the art practice facility every twenty years is unsustainable, particularly as coaching salaries rise and everyone who wants to keep up is also forced to hire an army of analysts and younger fans increasingly prefer to watch from home (now that tv coverage is basically universally available for P5 conferences. The entire economic model is under pressure because of technology. My guess is Florida State is just the first to whom this happens. I expect they will be followed by some of the shittier and poorer state schools in the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC.
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