Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:I've said it before: Gabe Infante. I know it is still early in his coaching career but he's going to be the real deal. Get him now while he's cheap.
https://owlsports.com/staff.aspx?staff=1909
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:I've said it before: Gabe Infante. I know it is still early in his coaching career but he's going to be the real deal. Get him now while he's cheap.
https://owlsports.com/staff.aspx?staff=1909
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Al Washington is not even a coordinator yet. Don't think he is ready. Might as well suggest Steve Belichick also.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Shoreagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
The FSU game wasn’t played in a hurricane and BC got absolutely bitch slapped by Maryland after that so, no, they weren’t a baby maker hair away from going undefeated in 07
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
The FSU game wasn’t played in a hurricane and BC got absolutely bitch slapped by Maryland after that so, no, they weren’t a baby maker hair away from going undefeated in 07
If you don't think the FSU game was played in a Nor'Easter you weren't there. It let up in time for Ryan's pick six though.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
The FSU game wasn’t played in a hurricane and BC got absolutely bitch slapped by Maryland after that so, no, they weren’t a baby maker hair away from going undefeated in 07
If you don't think the FSU game was played in a Nor'Easter you weren't there. It let up in time for Ryan's pick six though.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
The FSU game wasn’t played in a hurricane and BC got absolutely bitch slapped by Maryland after that so, no, they weren’t a baby maker hair away from going undefeated in 07
If you don't think the FSU game was played in a Nor'Easter you weren't there. It let up in time for Ryan's pick six though.
i was too busy laughing at the assertion that rich gunnel & brandon robinson were 'legit sec talented'
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:My guess it will be Big Al and I would be fine with that. Bring back Camp as the DC and--this is obviously a fantasy--bring Paul Pete in as the OC. I have no idea if they'd be any good as a coaching staff--although I expect they would recruit well--but at least I wouldn't hate the football coach coming in, which would be a first since Jags left.
I absolutely hate the above idea. They're all fantastic recruiters, but it's a huge question mark as a head coach.
Given what we have been handed the last two hires, I think it is a risk worth taking. What is the downside? That we become a completely irrelevant program crashing to the bottom of a pathetic conference? We are already on that glide path. Besides which, do you expect BC to go out and pay big dollars for some grand slam hire? We know that ain't happening. IIRC, neither Jags nor Tom Coughlin had any head coaching experience. Neither did TOB for that matter, and while I despise the Supply Officer, he was objectively better than either of the last two Wops.
Why can't BC go out and pay $3.5 million for a HC? It's more or less what they're paying Addazio now.
Basketball is mostly about talent, and if you wanted to hire some ace recruiter to replace JC then fine. Football has a huge coaching component.
Mostly agree. College basketball is almost entirely about talent. Watching my alma mater losing to Kansas in the NCAA tournament in March is evidence of that. Bill Coen is great, but there was nothing he could have done to change that outcome.
That said, college football is still pretty much all about talent. The 2007 BC team was far-and-away the most "talented" team Boston College has ever put on the football field. They were a c-nt hair away from going undefeated. Had the FSU game NOT been played in a hurricane (the way the first 50 minutes of the game with VPI was) I think they could have run the table. There were NO talent deficiencies on that team. Both lines were very good (defensive line was excellent), line backers were great, two very capable and talented senior tailbacks, 2 legit SEC talented wideouts, and a future NFL All-Pro QB. They could have matched up with any team in the SEC or the Big-Ten.
The problem with BC's team IS talent. This team doesn't have much. There are few play makers but just not enough of them. In that sense, BC suffers from the same problem Duke suffers (in football at least.)
The FSU game wasn’t played in a hurricane and BC got absolutely bitch slapped by Maryland after that so, no, they weren’t a baby maker hair away from going undefeated in 07
If you don't think the FSU game was played in a Nor'Easter you weren't there. It let up in time for Ryan's pick six though.
i was too busy laughing at the assertion that rich gunnel & brandon robinson were 'legit sec talented'
Don't forget Rich Gunnell (as a Senior) burned a couple 5-star recruits into the end zone when Spaz played Pete Carroll's USC Trojans in whatever silly toilet bowl that was in Dec of 2009. He was very good, an outstanding recruit for BC. He was extremely "undervalued" by the recruiting market and TOBy got him. Good for BC.
Those are the kind of wideouts I wish Addazio could recruit.
Supahfan99 {l Wrote}:I'm always amazed at some of the knowledge you guys have of football coaches/coaching trees/prospective head coaches. Not my area. I know someone mentioned Bielema. I'm interested what thoughts are on him.
HJS {l Wrote}:Supahfan99 {l Wrote}:I'm always amazed at some of the knowledge you guys have of football coaches/coaching trees/prospective head coaches. Not my area. I know someone mentioned Bielema. I'm interested what thoughts are on him.
He would absolutely be someone I would consider. He was one of the best college coaches in the country while at Wisco. Barry Alvarez's coaching tree generally does well. That said... he was terrible at Arkansas. But, that just might be a situation where he was a terrible fit for a program where it is impossible to build a consistent winner. He's also gain so much weight since becoming a head coach that it looks like he is a walking heart attack. Moreover, he seems like a weird dude who has a Jags-like penchant for making dumb career decisions. All that said, I would happily take him... have him win big a few years... and then leave for his alma mater when Kirk Ferentz dies.
But, it ain't gonna happen. I think Marty is all about Marty. Taking a big name like Bielema (another knock is I don't know how to spell his stupid name) adds pressure. If he flames out, Marty looks idiotic for grabbing a guy who couldn't win in the SEC. An up-and-comer buys Marty time and gives cover if he fails. Again, these aren't my thoughts as a fan who just wants to win. I'm looking at the search through the guys conducting it. Besides... do you really see BB as someone who would kowtow to Fr. Bill?
For the record (while this is what BC will specifically not do), I am partial to giving the job to someone: (a) who is looking for a second chance (Bielema, Schiano, Golden, Helfrich), (b) someone who is a long-standing NFL assistant (Mike Groh, Greg Roman, Brian Schottenheimer, Pete Carmichael Jr., Brian Daboll), or (c) a young hot-shot workaholic like Kellen Moore or Shane Waldron.
BC923 {l Wrote}:Imagine making the point we don’t recruit wide receivers like we used to and using Rich Gunnell as the example instead of Will Blackmon (Tobias positioning aside)
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Talent is not BC's current problem. BC had more talent than Kansas.
IB is a liar and a moron. Love Gunnell but come on. We haven't had a WR drafted in 30 years.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:Think that SEC pecking order is fair, though would move Miss St down to the arkansas level
UT would be in the first group if not for the territorial advantages of texas / louisianna / bama; they just consistently shoot themselves in the foot
vandy sort of needs to be its own category given the requirement for literate players
i'd be fine w bilema but iwnh, my guess is it's a hotshot assistant that marty j knows or another spin at the mac
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