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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby BC923 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:06 am

If we were to make a move, what is the timeline?
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:16 am

Timeline is now. Other schools have already fired guys.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 am

innocentbystander wrote:
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eepstein0 wrote:I have no interest in mid-major coaches who inherit a loaded roster and win a bunch of games. That situation has little bearing on the mess that is BC Basketball.


Who do you want?


I posted this on a previous page. If Jarmond wants to just cut me a check for $100k I did the search committees job below.


- Bill Coen (Northeastern) (We can do better than this)


Good. Because you can't have him. Not for sale. Stay the fuck away from him.


You must acknowledge winning in the modern day ACC is a different animal than the CAA
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:52 am

BC923 wrote:If we were to make a move, what is the timeline?

We tell Jimmy Mac that his contract isn't being extended. In three years, we hire a new coach.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:52 pm

Thamel's going to write something saying "a change is imminent" and so on or he isn't. That's how we will know

Blauds may write any number of things. These are meaningful only insofar as they provide entertainment value
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:18 pm

HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
HJS wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:A-List:
- Thad Matta (Ohio St formerly) (this is health dependent)
- Kevin Willard (Seton Hall) (this would be high on my list)
- Mick Cronin (Cincinnati) (also very high on my list)
- Ed Cooley (Providence) (I'm not nuts about this idea, but he would do well here)
- Wojo (Marquette) (He's winning at a school very similar to BC)

B-List:
- Wes Miller (UNCG) (He's young, has ACC connections and UNCG was a train-wreck before he turned it around)
- Mark Schmidt (Bonnies) (He's really well connected & the Bonnies were a total teardown job also)
- Eric Musselman (Nevada) (Doubt he's coming East for this job, but he's a good coach)

None of these names would be a program defining moment. However, I'd be happy to give any of the first 6 names listed a shot. That said, I doubt any of the first 5 would take the BC job. That would leave us with Wes Miller... who I think is actually a very good choice.


If Buzz would leave Marquette for VT, any of those guys would leave their current destination for BC. I added Shaka Smart to the A-List also, he's going to be fired shortly and is a good coach.

In my opinion, Shaka would be a program-defining moment. I think he is an excellent coach who would win with players that he'd land at BC. However, I think he's being retained by Texas. It is a shame though. BC would be all over hiring a guy who is being financially supported by another program.

Jeff Goodman talking BC today...
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Onyx Blackman on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:36 pm

Hey Jeff Goodman, stay the fuck away from Bill Coen.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Manny on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:58 pm

He's out, or so says someone I know who has the means to know. "No one surprising" on the list of prospective targets, whatever that means.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:05 pm

Manny wrote:"No one surprising" on the list of prospective targets, whatever that means.

It means the emperor has no clothes. Jarmond's first big time hire would be looking at a tired list of former BC assistants and Brian Gregory (with a sprinkling of former Matta assistants). Oh... and Mark Schmidt!!!!
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby BC923 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:23 pm

To be fair we assumed we'd get one of the usual suspects last time around, and we got a surprise. Given, it was a bad surprise, but I'll never put it past BC to disappoint in new and interesting ways
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby ATLeagle on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:37 pm

HJS wrote:
Manny wrote:"No one surprising" on the list of prospective targets, whatever that means.

It means the emperor has no clothes. Jarmond's first big time hire would be looking at a tired list of former BC assistants and Brian Gregory (with a sprinkling of former Matta assistants). Oh... and Mark Schmidt!!!!


Our last two hires have been new to BC and New England and been disasters. I have no problem going with someone familiar with BC and who knows how to manuver the landmines.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:47 pm

ATLeagle wrote:
HJS wrote:
Manny wrote:"No one surprising" on the list of prospective targets, whatever that means.

It means the emperor has no clothes. Jarmond's first big time hire would be looking at a tired list of former BC assistants and Brian Gregory (with a sprinkling of former Matta assistants). Oh... and Mark Schmidt!!!!


Our last two hires have been new to BC and New England and been disasters. I have no problem going with someone familiar with BC and who knows how to manuver the landmines.


The reason Beeker and this latest disaster didn't succeed has nothing to do with "getting BC" or "BC landmines".
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby 2001Eagle on Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:02 pm

FWIW, the one guy I know who has some legit connections told me the expectation was that J-Mac would get another year.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:07 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
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HJS wrote:
Manny wrote:"No one surprising" on the list of prospective targets, whatever that means.

It means the emperor has no clothes. Jarmond's first big time hire would be looking at a tired list of former BC assistants and Brian Gregory (with a sprinkling of former Matta assistants). Oh... and Mark Schmidt!!!!


Our last two hires have been new to BC and New England and been disasters. I have no problem going with someone familiar with BC and who knows how to manuver the landmines.


The reason Beeker and this latest disaster didn't succeed has nothing to do with "getting BC" or "BC landmines".

Precisely. By all accounts, both are good guys who emphasized getting good kids who would attend class and not embarrass the school.

Skinner and Obie were both shadier who pushed the envelop and didn't necessarily play nice in the stodgy BC sandbox. I'd like to see BC get back to winning... even if that means taking commitments from Scoonie Penn and *** *******. I keep saying this over-and-over whenever "good for New England" candidates are exclusively touted, a compromised choice will give you compromised results. BC should hire a coach who other programs would also consider hiring.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Manny on Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:50 pm

To be clear, the person I know didn't state it as a fact, just said it's what they heard in the aftermath of the back-to-back demolitions to finish the season. The person does not have a direct line to Jarmond that I know of, but is connected in various ways to the department generally. Has also said Jarmond's office is far less leaky than Bates' was, so if we hear rumors it will much more likely be coaches' agents than BC people talking.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:22 pm

I'm fine with Wes Miller. Other than Smart, who is not coming here, the rest of that list doesn't make me want to fire Christian.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:11 pm

twballgame9 wrote:I'm fine with Wes Miller. Other than Smart, who is not coming here, the rest of that list doesn't make me want to fire Christian.


Any of those Big East coaches are such a huge upgrade over JC.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Tom Dooder on Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Get some renderings and an announcement of a bball practice facility or what's the point of pay $$ for a coach?

Jimmy Mac stinks and should be fired but BC is not in the position to hire someone good and expect fantastic results. Plus BC is cheap.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:27 pm

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twballgame9 wrote:I'm fine with Wes Miller. Other than Smart, who is not coming here, the rest of that list doesn't make me want to fire Christian.


Any of those Big East coaches are such a huge upgrade over JC.


No. Cooley is the biggest revisionist history of all time.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:47 pm

Just looked at Cooley's record at Providence, are you really serious? He's coaching a bubble team in a weaker conference that never wins in the NCAAs despite landing very good recruits with limited admissions restrictions.

I've watched Cooley call play many times. Makes Christian look like John Wooden.

71-73 in whatever they are calling the conference that has Patrick Ewing and that putz Wojo coaching in it. No wonder Chris Mack was reluctant to leave.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby NJM89 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:29 pm

Hopefully this has some meaning to it. Maybe leaving behind a team for a new staff to coach.

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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:49 pm

twballgame9 wrote:Just looked at Cooley's record at Providence, are you really serious? He's coaching a bubble team in a weaker conference that never wins in the NCAAs despite landing very good recruits with limited admissions restrictions.

I've watched Cooley call play many times. Makes Christian look like John Wooden.

71-73 in whatever they are calling the conference that has Patrick Ewing and that putz Wojo coaching in it. No wonder Chris Mack was reluctant to leave.


You’re not getting Cooley due to his Xs and Os. Guy can flat out recruit. He’s Amaker on steroids.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:50 pm

NJM89 wrote:Hopefully this has some meaning to it. Maybe leaving behind a team for a new staff to coach.

https://twitter.com/coachwu/status/1105952264911495169?s=21


I’m still unsure as to what he does 5 years later...
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:50 pm

I'd say Amaker on donuts
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby claver2010 on Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 pm

cooley is daz, you hope he amasses enough talent so that he ultimately can't screw it up

5 straight tournament appearances at that school is pretty impressive.

next year they're a top 25 team

IRregardless, he's not coming
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:15 am

eepstein0 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
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eepstein0 wrote:I have no interest in mid-major coaches who inherit a loaded roster and win a bunch of games. That situation has little bearing on the mess that is BC Basketball.


Who do you want?


I posted this on a previous page. If Jarmond wants to just cut me a check for $100k I did the search committees job below.


- Bill Coen (Northeastern) (We can do better than this)


Good. Because you can't have him. Not for sale. Stay the fuck away from him.


You must acknowledge winning in the modern day ACC is a different animal than the CAA


Granted. But (at the moment, and for the foreseeable future) Northeastern is in the CAA. So we have to win in the CAA. That happens with Bill Coen. It doesn't seem to happen with anyone else. So, don't touch him.

I got real nervous watching the Miami-VPI game this afternoon. They showed the list of teams that punched tickets. There was my alma mater. Sean McDonough commented looking at the list....

Sean wrote:You know which coach from that list of teams is really undervalued, Bill Coen.


The two of them started yakking about Bill Coen and BC and yadda-yadda, and I was like, SHUT THE FUCK UP SEAN! I do NOT want Bill getting any offers because I know he'll bolt. And we can't replace him.

That said, I want BC to win so you can have any other coach in the world other than Coen.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby Corporal Funishment on Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:47 am

innocentbystander wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
ATLeagle wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:I have no interest in mid-major coaches who inherit a loaded roster and win a bunch of games. That situation has little bearing on the mess that is BC Basketball.


Who do you want?


I posted this on a previous page. If Jarmond wants to just cut me a check for $100k I did the search committees job below.


- Bill Coen (Northeastern) (We can do better than this)


Good. Because you can't have him. Not for sale. Stay the fuck away from him.


You must acknowledge winning in the modern day ACC is a different animal than the CAA


Granted. But (at the moment, and for the foreseeable future) Northeastern is in the CAA. So we have to win in the CAA. That happens with Bill Coen. It doesn't seem to happen with anyone else. So, don't touch him.

I got real nervous watching the Miami-VPI game this afternoon. They showed the list of teams that punched tickets. There was my alma mater. Sean McDonough commented looking at the list....

Sean wrote:You know which coach from that list of teams is really undervalued, Bill Coen.


The two of them started yakking about Bill Coen and BC and yadda-yadda, and I was like, SHUT THE FUCK UP SEAN! I do NOT want Bill getting any offers because I know he'll bolt. And we can't replace him.

That said, I want BC to win so you can have any other coach in the world other than Coen.


I look forward to being called stupid for expressing the above thought.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby 2001Eagle on Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:24 pm

Did anyone mention Patrick Beilein yet?

He'd be cheap, which we know is a BC prerequisite.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby HJS on Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:55 pm

2001Eagle wrote:Did anyone mention Patrick Beilein yet?

He'd be cheap, which we know is a BC prerequisite.

That's a silly suggestion because he fails the other two prerequisites... AARP membership and previous relationship with the area (e.g. JC played at BU). Coen, however, crushes all 3.
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Re: New & Official Coaching Candidates Thread

Postby durkcal on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:29 pm

I would add Craig Smith of Utah State to the list. Picked to finish 9th in the MWC and just finished 1st. Coach of the year in first year. He's been an Assistant in the Big Ten, which I value because BC needs someone that understands the level they will NEED to recruit to. Danny Ainge's son plays for him, so get the reference there.

Outside of him, I worry that the guys that can push BC into the 18-22 W window from the current 15-19 W window are either A) Going for bigger jobs (Musselman, Cronin), or B) Not Available (Matta, Smart).


The Wes Miller resume isn't nearly strong enough in my book. You can't blow JC out for a so-so candidate (Miller, Coen, Schmidt). Amaker, Cooley and Willard are probably upgrades on JC, but it's not a big lift in my view. Guys like Oats and Rhoades look interesting, but risky given the lack of Asst exp at a big program.
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