DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:...Brown's inability to find the accuracy he showed during the Wake game mystifies me...
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:...Brown's inability to find the accuracy he showed during the Wake game mystifies me...
was brown really all that accurate against wake or was wake so bad in the backfield that it hid brown's inaccuracy?
there were at least 2 or 3 wide open for a touchdown passes that brown missed his guy on. guys with no one within 10ish yards of them. i pointed it out after the game (and was called out by tom dooder as being a pussy for my observations) and there were a handful that agreed. i don't think brown was all that accurate against wake and i think he's only gotten worse after the purdue linemen got in his head by batting down or catching about 50% of his passes thrown.
at this point i think he's broken, at least mentally. he may be physically broken as well (hence the lack of a creation with his legs), but if even someone that doesn't like sports can see that he's mentally broken then i'd wager that all the non-retarded acc coaches (pronounced "not t.s. slaughter") can see that as well and scheme accordingly on the defensive side of the ball.
i'd go so far as to say that the first time this overpaid gym teacher said "throw game" in a press conference that opposing coaches and dc's started licking their chops at the stat padding they could do when faced with the challenge of a laminated note card of a playbook. i still think that's why the wake dc got fired after they got torched by the dome and we got torched in a corn field in indiana
mr. athletic director... fire this man today
HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
TOB was 10-6 in the ACC while at BC. Daz is 16-27. And it's tough to make the "inherited a mess" argument when Daz went 8-8 in the ACC in his first two years. In years 3 through 6 he is 8-19. Clemson is better, but the rest of these programs have had their ups and downs since Daz took over. The ACC hasn't been that much more difficult than when TOB was here, especially now that Louisville is in the shitter.
hansen {l Wrote}:it's disingenuous to argue that Daz didn't inherit a roster dumpster fire when he got here.
I give credit to Daz to picking up UF's leftovers in order to get us 8-8 those first two years. unfortunately, the few good players Spaz recruited then graduated out and there weren't enough UF leftovers for us to field a competent team.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
TOB was 10-6 in the ACC while at BC. Daz is 16-27. And it's tough to make the "inherited a mess" argument when Daz went 8-8 in the ACC in his first two years. In years 3 through 6 he is 8-19. Clemson is better, but the rest of these programs have had their ups and downs since Daz took over. The ACC hasn't been that much more difficult than when TOB was here, especially now that Louisville is in the shitter.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:...Brown's inability to find the accuracy he showed during the Wake game mystifies me...
was brown really all that accurate against wake or was wake so bad in the backfield that it hid brown's inaccuracy?
there were at least 2 or 3 wide open for a touchdown passes that brown missed his guy on. guys with no one within 10ish yards of them. i pointed it out after the game (and was called out by tom dooder as being a pussy for my observations) and there were a handful that agreed. i don't think brown was all that accurate against wake and i think he's only gotten worse after the purdue linemen got in his head by batting down or catching about 50% of his passes thrown.
at this point i think he's broken, at least mentally. he may be physically broken as well (hence the lack of a creation with his legs), but if even someone that doesn't like sports can see that he's mentally broken then i'd wager that all the non-retarded acc coaches (pronounced "not t.s. slaughter") can see that as well and scheme accordingly on the defensive side of the ball.
i'd go so far as to say that the first time this overpaid gym teacher said "throw game" in a press conference that opposing coaches and dc's started licking their chops at the stat padding they could do when faced with the challenge of a laminated note card of a playbook. i still think that's why the wake dc got fired after they got torched by the dome and we got torched in a corn field in indiana
mr. athletic director... fire this man today
HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
hansen {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
TOB was 10-6 in the ACC while at BC. Daz is 16-27. And it's tough to make the "inherited a mess" argument when Daz went 8-8 in the ACC in his first two years. In years 3 through 6 he is 8-19. Clemson is better, but the rest of these programs have had their ups and downs since Daz took over. The ACC hasn't been that much more difficult than when TOB was here, especially now that Louisville is in the shitter.
it's disingenuous to argue that Daz didn't inherit a roster dumpster fire when he got here.
I give credit to Daz to picking up UF's leftovers in order to get us 8-8 those first two years. unfortunately, the few good players Spaz recruited then graduated out and there weren't enough UF leftovers for us to field a competent team.
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:...Brown's inability to find the accuracy he showed during the Wake game mystifies me...
was brown really all that accurate against wake or was wake so bad in the backfield that it hid brown's inaccuracy?
there were at least 2 or 3 wide open for a touchdown passes that brown missed his guy on. guys with no one within 10ish yards of them. i pointed it out after the game (and was called out by tom dooder as being a pussy for my observations) and there were a handful that agreed. i don't think brown was all that accurate against wake and i think he's only gotten worse after the purdue linemen got in his head by batting down or catching about 50% of his passes thrown.
at this point i think he's broken, at least mentally. he may be physically broken as well (hence the lack of a creation with his legs), but if even someone that doesn't like sports can see that he's mentally broken then i'd wager that all the non-retarded acc coaches (pronounced "not t.s. slaughter") can see that as well and scheme accordingly on the defensive side of the ball.
i'd go so far as to say that the first time this overpaid gym teacher said "throw game" in a press conference that opposing coaches and dc's started licking their chops at the stat padding they could do when faced with the challenge of a laminated note card of a playbook. i still think that's why the wake dc got fired after they got torched by the dome and we got torched in a corn field in indiana
mr. athletic director... fire this man today
you're a pussy for your observations
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
TOB was 10-6 in the ACC while at BC. Daz is 16-27. And it's tough to make the "inherited a mess" argument when Daz went 8-8 in the ACC in his first two years. In years 3 through 6 he is 8-19. Clemson is better, but the rest of these programs have had their ups and downs since Daz took over. The ACC hasn't been that much more difficult than when TOB was here, especially now that Louisville is in the shitter.
it's disingenuous to argue that Daz didn't inherit a roster dumpster fire when he got here.
I give credit to Daz to picking up UF's leftovers in order to get us 8-8 those first two years. unfortunately, the few good players Spaz recruited then graduated out and there weren't enough UF leftovers for us to field a competent team.
My point of showing his ACC records was that he's not trending up in terms of performance. 4-4, 4-4, 0-8, 2-6, 4-4, 2-1. I don't care enough about TOB or Daz to argue who is better or worse. They're both bad. But it would be nice if Daz could finally get a winning ACC record in year 6.
hansen {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:...Brown's inability to find the accuracy he showed during the Wake game mystifies me...
was brown really all that accurate against wake or was wake so bad in the backfield that it hid brown's inaccuracy?
there were at least 2 or 3 wide open for a touchdown passes that brown missed his guy on. guys with no one within 10ish yards of them. i pointed it out after the game (and was called out by tom dooder as being a pussy for my observations) and there were a handful that agreed. i don't think brown was all that accurate against wake and i think he's only gotten worse after the purdue linemen got in his head by batting down or catching about 50% of his passes thrown.
at this point i think he's broken, at least mentally. he may be physically broken as well (hence the lack of a creation with his legs), but if even someone that doesn't like sports can see that he's mentally broken then i'd wager that all the non-retarded acc coaches (pronounced "not t.s. slaughter") can see that as well and scheme accordingly on the defensive side of the ball.
i'd go so far as to say that the first time this overpaid gym teacher said "throw game" in a press conference that opposing coaches and dc's started licking their chops at the stat padding they could do when faced with the challenge of a laminated note card of a playbook. i still think that's why the wake dc got fired after they got torched by the dome and we got torched in a corn field in indiana
mr. athletic director... fire this man today
I admire your HomoJS level of commitment to the Brown sucks agenda... even hjs must be proud at how far you have carried it.
p.s. this is not an endorsement of Brown's quarterbacking skills. dude couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:I detest Steve Addazio. Detest. Wish he'd get offered something else and get the hell out of Chestnut Hill.
But I can't help but comment that we no more are the hapless bunch that Louisville is. You have to show up and play well to beat us. 5 years ago not the case.
Maybe damning with faint praise but I don't take being competent for granted and when you see a guy like Petrino running a program into the ground or plenty of other name coaches struggling greatly, I do appreciate that we at least don't suck anymore.
This. I feel we are back to where we were at the end of TOB. We are what we are. Daz is what he is. He is a coach that has done a very good job assembling excellent talent which he coaches down to 7-win seasons. While that is one win less than the 8-win seasons of TOB, I believe the Hen would have been similarly constrained by an enhanced schedule (see his time at NCS).
After this program being sunk to unprecedented lows under Spaz, I appreciate what Daz has done. But, I hold no visions of him being able to take the next step. What the program should do next is not a terribly easy decision. If there was a no-brainer hire, moving on from Daz would be less controversial. However, with no clear successor, I agree that it would be best if Daz found some stupid SEC school (like Vandy) to force the issue.
TOB was 10-6 in the ACC while at BC. Daz is 16-27. And it's tough to make the "inherited a mess" argument when Daz went 8-8 in the ACC in his first two years. In years 3 through 6 he is 8-19. Clemson is better, but the rest of these programs have had their ups and downs since Daz took over. The ACC hasn't been that much more difficult than when TOB was here, especially now that Louisville is in the shitter.
it's disingenuous to argue that Daz didn't inherit a roster dumpster fire when he got here.
I give credit to Daz to picking up UF's leftovers in order to get us 8-8 those first two years. unfortunately, the few good players Spaz recruited then graduated out and there weren't enough UF leftovers for us to field a competent team.
My point of showing his ACC records was that he's not trending up in terms of performance. 4-4, 4-4, 0-8, 2-6, 4-4, 2-1. I don't care enough about TOB or Daz to argue who is better or worse. They're both bad. But it would be nice if Daz could finally get a winning ACC record in year 6.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
Never did that. I gave credit to TOB for back-to-back 5-3 ACC seasons (10-6).
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
Never did that. I gave credit to TOB for back-to-back 5-3 ACC seasons (10-6).
He didn't win 10 dumb fuck. He quit at 9
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
Never did that. I gave credit to TOB for back-to-back 5-3 ACC seasons (10-6).
He didn't win 10 dumb fuck. He quit at 9
I want to save this. You are correct, he did not beat Navy in 2006. But he beat 10 ACC teams. Now who is the dumb fuck?
Chase an ambulance.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
Never did that. I gave credit to TOB for back-to-back 5-3 ACC seasons (10-6).
He didn't win 10 dumb fuck. He quit at 9
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:When random wrs and freshman are coming off the bench to put up 100, sometimes in the same game, the OL is not getting dominated at the point of attack. Stick with wicca.
Comparing the respective Clemson teams was a nice touch, like when militant gives credit to toby for a 10 win season.
Never did that. I gave credit to TOB for back-to-back 5-3 ACC seasons (10-6).
He didn't win 10 dumb fuck. He quit at 9
In 2005 Tobias coached wins over: the clemson, Virginia, wake forest, rcc, Maryland (5 acc wins) and went 8-3 (our last 11 game season) beating Boise state in a home game to go 9-3
In 2006 Tobias coached wins over: the clemson, vpi, Florida state, dook, Maryland (5acc wins) and went 9-3. He did not coach for victory over navy in the bowl game
Tobias therefore won 10 games in the acc during his 1 12/13th years as an acc coach of bc in the acc.
teddy was reading for gems and completely missed what militant was saying. teddy will spin this to make it appear he was not wrong somehow when he simply didn’t read what militant said about total acc wins and not about wins in a season. I will give teddy an “attaboy” for knowing that although bc won 10 games in 2006, spaz coached the bowl game because rcc had already stolen Tobias from us in the period between beating Maryland and playing navy. Attaboy, tedwardo
EDIT: I was wrong, teddy is going with the straw man/chewbanksa defense of 5-3 not being good enough to warrant paying attention to,when the whole point militant made was that Tobias could at least go better than .500 in the acc... something the hammer has never done.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:other than the clemson, is this year's acc that much different than the flaming hot garbage of 2005/2006?
that nc state team that our broken down crap shack of a football team almost beat after taking 35 of 60 minutes off is the only other ranked team... and likely won't be at the end of the year after a couple of patented rcc wtf losses (carolina will likely be one of them)
but, the most important thing is that you were correct about tobias never winning 10 games. no one refuted that, but you were right.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:ESPN is predicting Sun Bowl or Detroit Bowl. Looks like Saturday's loss took Music City out of play.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:ESPN is predicting Sun Bowl or Detroit Bowl. Looks like Saturday's loss took Music City out of play.
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