twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:but he's arguably the best defender/rebounder/energy guy on the team.
Pretty much the definition of a role player.
And the point was that he's a role player on a team that's not going anywhere, so I failed to see why the injury matters. Shut him down and make sure he's healthy next season.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
why don't you marry him?
bchockey04 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:but he's arguably the best defender/rebounder/energy guy on the team.
Pretty much the definition of a role player.
And the point was that he's a role player on a team that's not going anywhere, so I failed to see why the injury matters. Shut him down and make sure he's healthy next season.
We'll have to disagree on definition of role player. When i think role player...i think of Chatman actually. One trick pony who should only be playing 20-25 minutes and purely as a 3 point specialist. Can't defend, can't rebound, and rarely gets assists. Mitchell brings so much more to the floor in all aspects.
Also, last night shows that if Bowman and Robinson are both on -- than this team COULD make some noise in the ACC tourney so shutting him down is just dumb type mentality. A hamstring contusion is not cause for long term concern.
commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont have a clue as to how the nit works anymore - its been so long since i paid attention to it - but assuming we get in and a home game, bc should take the initiative and make it free GA entry.
bchockey04 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:but he's arguably the best defender/rebounder/energy guy on the team.
Pretty much the definition of a role player.
And the point was that he's a role player on a team that's not going anywhere, so I failed to see why the injury matters. Shut him down and make sure he's healthy next season.
We'll have to disagree on definition of role player. When i think role player...i think of Chatman actually. One trick pony who should only be playing 20-25 minutes and purely as a 3 point specialist. Can't defend, can't rebound, and rarely gets assists. Mitchell brings so much more to the floor in all aspects.
Also, last night shows that if Bowman and Robinson are both on -- than this team COULD make some noise in the ACC tourney so shutting him down is just dumb type mentality. A hamstring contusion is not cause for long term concern.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:but he's arguably the best defender/rebounder/energy guy on the team.
Pretty much the definition of a role player.
And the point was that he's a role player on a team that's not going anywhere, so I failed to see why the injury matters. Shut him down and make sure he's healthy next season.
We'll have to disagree on definition of role player. When i think role player...i think of Chatman actually. One trick pony who should only be playing 20-25 minutes and purely as a 3 point specialist. Can't defend, can't rebound, and rarely gets assists. Mitchell brings so much more to the floor in all aspects.
Also, last night shows that if Bowman and Robinson are both on -- than this team COULD make some noise in the ACC tourney so shutting him down is just dumb type mentality. A hamstring contusion is not cause for long term concern.
Chatman is the third scorer and averages 13/3/1.7 per game. Mitchell is a good rebounder who plays a lot of minutes because a guy got hurt and there's no depth. He's got a lot of potential, but right now he's basically the prototype of a role player.
You're on crack if you think they can make enough noise to make the NCAAs. That ended on a last second shot in Miami. I'm not saying shut him down for no reason, but if the injury matters enough, the season no longer does.
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
why don't you marry him?
That's all you have to say about that post?
bchockey04 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:bchockey04 {l Wrote}:but he's arguably the best defender/rebounder/energy guy on the team.
Pretty much the definition of a role player.
And the point was that he's a role player on a team that's not going anywhere, so I failed to see why the injury matters. Shut him down and make sure he's healthy next season.
We'll have to disagree on definition of role player. When i think role player...i think of Chatman actually. One trick pony who should only be playing 20-25 minutes and purely as a 3 point specialist. Can't defend, can't rebound, and rarely gets assists. Mitchell brings so much more to the floor in all aspects.
Also, last night shows that if Bowman and Robinson are both on -- than this team COULD make some noise in the ACC tourney so shutting him down is just dumb type mentality. A hamstring contusion is not cause for long term concern.
Chatman is the third scorer and averages 13/3/1.7 per game. Mitchell is a good rebounder who plays a lot of minutes because a guy got hurt and there's no depth. He's got a lot of potential, but right now he's basically the prototype of a role player.
You're on crack if you think they can make enough noise to make the NCAAs. That ended on a last second shot in Miami. I'm not saying shut him down for no reason, but if the injury matters enough, the season no longer does.
Never said i thought they could make enough noise to make the NCAA's. Just saying that if both Ky and Robinson are on -- you can't discount a run in the ACC Tourney. But since the season is done then why bother trying i guess.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
why don't you marry him?
That's all you have to say about that post?
pretty much. i'm embarrassed to admit that my hatred of jimmy mac has softened and other than his random wtf turd game a couple times a month, i realize he might be an okayish coach. tedwardo laid it out pretty well as to why and i sadly agree with a lot of it. i'm not ready to marry jimmy mac like 49dueagle was ready to marry ballgame, but i also don't hate him with the power of eleventy,000,000,000 exploding red pills
it reminds me a little of jobias in the early going, and his curley-eisley-huckaby-abrams class. they underachieved in their 3rd year and i was ready to play bongos on jobias's head as he was led out of conte... but he put together a helluva 4th year for those fellows. granted, the game has moved on a little in the last 24 years and our juniors aren't all likely to stay... but if they did i think jimmy mac might be able to make a run (and maybe only lose 1 or 2 television-breakingly-terrible-games)
there, i said it.
p & s - fuck t.s. slaughter in the eyeball. my opinion of him will never change
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:...
What junior is going to the NBA other than JRob? Chatman?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
Agreed, JC is an X's and O's guy and never struck me as a bad coach.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
Agreed, JC is an X's and O's guy and never struck me as a bad coach.
Did you all erase that last Miami game from your memory?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
Mods,please check on the well being of TW. It appears longdistanceagle has hijacked his account.
Mods, please check on the well being of TW. It appears longdistanceeagle has hijacked his account.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
Shoreagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
Mods, please check on the well being of TW. It appears longdistanceeagle has hijacked his account.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Shoreagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:fwiw (and i honestly have no idea how much it truly is worth), i gotta imagine it'd be a pretty big red flag to any coach worth his salt if we fired a coach who went 18-13 (8-10) after going 0-18 and 2-16 the year before.
to me this is a lot different than the wake coach was in the first four and went 19-14 (9-9) last year. as a wake fan, this year i would be expecting progression beyond that, so 11-18 (4-13) would be a fireable offense to me.
similarly, if jimmy mac does not improve upon his record from this season next season and make the ncaa's, i would imagine he will be axed.
This. I actually think he's a good coach. Last night was a clinic in coaching. He has his nights, and sometimes the team doesn't look ready coming out of the locker room, but he adjusts, calls good plays and generally has a good gameplan against the abnormal, like Cuse's zone. A prime example would be that BC never has much trouble with the press anymore - last night's absurd 10 second call notwithstanding - when a decent CYO team could have pressed the Al and Don teams out of the gym. Ask Bruce Pearl.
He also has shown a decent eye for recruiting the way that Al recruited - find the underrated guys that will be there four years. He's also clearly made Robinson and Bowman and Chatman better players while they were here, and while less obvious, the bigs have improved on his watch.
Mods, please check on the well being of TW. It appears longdistanceeagle has hijacked his account.
He's got a big red flag - he has no bench because the depth of the talent he has recruited isn't there, and there have been a ton of transfers. These aren't good things. But an AD can convince themselves after this season and this recruiting class that it is worth one more shot with this guy because there should be decent depth and an NCAA run. And when you build a program designed to win with seniors, it takes time to get seniors. It's taking this guy too long, but it is what it is.
I'd be offended if I could find your post
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:pretty much. i'm embarrassed to admit that my hatred of jimmy mac has softened and other than his random wtf turd game a couple times a month, i realize he might be an okayish coach. tedwardo laid it out pretty well as to why and i sadly agree with a lot of it. i'm not ready to marry jimmy mac like 49dueagle was ready to marry ballgame, but i also don't hate him with the power of eleventy,000,000,000 exploding red pills
it reminds me a little of jobias in the early going, and his curley-eisley-huckaby-abrams class. they underachieved in their 3rd year and i was ready to play bongos on jobias's head as he was led out of conte... but he put together a helluva 4th year for those fellows. granted, the game has moved on a little in the last 24 years and our juniors aren't all likely to stay... but if they did i think jimmy mac might be able to make a run (and maybe only lose 1 or 2 television-breakingly-terrible-games)
there, i said it.
p & s - fuck t.s. slaughter in the eyeball. my opinion of him will never change
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:pretty much. i'm embarrassed to admit that my hatred of jimmy mac has softened and other than his random wtf turd game a couple times a month, i realize he might be an okayish coach. tedwardo laid it out pretty well as to why and i sadly agree with a lot of it. i'm not ready to marry jimmy mac like 49dueagle was ready to marry ballgame, but i also don't hate him with the power of eleventy,000,000,000 exploding red pills
it reminds me a little of jobias in the early going, and his curley-eisley-huckaby-abrams class. they underachieved in their 3rd year and i was ready to play bongos on jobias's head as he was led out of conte... but he put together a helluva 4th year for those fellows. granted, the game has moved on a little in the last 24 years and our juniors aren't all likely to stay... but if they did i think jimmy mac might be able to make a run (and maybe only lose 1 or 2 television-breakingly-terrible-games)
there, i said it.
p & s - fuck t.s. slaughter in the eyeball. my opinion of him will never change
This is probably the most positive thing I've seen you post about BC sports in the last decade.
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