HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Safe pick. Not much chance he's a bust but not as high ceiling
Agreed.
As one of the announcers said, "Celtics have a lot Good, but will they use the pick to get a Great." That's been my point with the Cs. Ainge still tries to make good trades and solid picks. But, I think that to really take the next step in the NBA, you have to overpay for a superstar. You have to make a trade that results in you trading talent and valuable players. Maybe Butler isn't that player, maybe it isn't Porzingas, maybe it isn't Jordan. But, at some point, I think they have to make a decision on who is worth going for.
BTW... how fucking funny that the Knicks passed on Smith and Monk for some Frenchie.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IT is 4 years older, believe it or not a worse defender, up for a new contract next season and very injured.
The draft pick is what it is, but the Laker pick probably replaces it. Wash there.
Moving Crowder's contract sucks because it is a huge asset, but as far as the player is concerned, he is very good but blocking two more talented young guys.
I don't know anything about Zizic and they certainly sold him hard, but he looked like dog shit in the summer league. Hurts them in that they need a big, but who knows if he is it.
From a Celtics perspective, they have upgraded one of their stars for a longer period, which is a big plus in the NBA. They essentially traded two strong assets to do so - Crowder's contract and the Brooklyn pick. It's a good deal on both sides, but the Celtics are better today.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IT is 4 years older, believe it or not a worse defender, up for a new contract next season and very injured.
The draft pick is what it is, but the Laker pick probably replaces it. Wash there.
Moving Crowder's contract sucks because it is a huge asset, but as far as the player is concerned, he is very good but blocking two more talented young guys.
I don't know anything about Zizic and they certainly sold him hard, but he looked like dog shit in the summer league. Hurts them in that they need a big, but who knows if he is it.
From a Celtics perspective, they have upgraded one of their stars for a longer period, which is a big plus in the NBA. They essentially traded two strong assets to do so - Crowder's contract and the Brooklyn pick. It's a good deal on both sides, but the Celtics are better today.
Agreed on all parts.
However, they have now removed 11 players from last year's 53-win team. While I think they are better, I don't think they are monumentally so. Further, this means that... going forward... if they want another star to pair with Irving, they will have to surrender current players (and not the promise of a future player). As for the Laker pick... it's not necessarily a "wash". The Laker pick is highly conditioned (if it is #1 or #6 (or worse) it goes to the Sixers... only if it falls #2-5 does it go to Cs). There is a higher likelihood that the pick converts to a #1-protected 2019 selection of the Kings/Sixers (whichever is better).
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Looking at a two deep of:
Irving/Larkin
Smart/Rozier
Hayward/Brown
Morris/Tatum
Horford/Baynes
with the bench probably filled out with Yabusele and Theis and Nader, Ojeleye and Bird or Allen stashed in the D League.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Looking at a two deep of:
Irving/Larkin
Smart/Rozier
Hayward/Brown
Morris/Tatum
Horford/Baynes
with the bench probably filled out with Yabusele and Theis and Nader, Ojeleye and Bird or Allen stashed in the D League.
Probably the best NBA team 4-7.
HJS {l Wrote}:Gordon Heyward experiment sure was fun.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Well, that was fun.
Draymond Green is terrible. Poor man's Antoine Walker playing with two hall of famers and a super star.
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Well, that was fun.
Draymond Green is terrible. Poor man's Antoine Walker playing with two hall of famers and a super star.
I was thinking poor man's Chris Webber.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
Jesus.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
Not an argument.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
Not an argument.
Field Hockey?
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
Not an argument.
Field Hockey?
Do you think Kyrie Irving should win MVP of the NBA?
Primetime {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
Not an argument.
Field Hockey?
Do you think Kyrie Irving should win MVP of the NBA?
You mean "mouth breathing" fans aren't allowed to chant "M-V-P" for the best player on their team?
Since you're "no NBA junkie," and I am, I'll enlighten you: Paul Pierce never won an MVP - and Garden fans ALWAYS chanted "M-V-P" for him.
That being said, if the Celtics finish the regular season with the best record, Kyrie absolutely has a shot.
I'm actually curious what you mean by "Kyrie can't finish like IT" - Kyrie gets into the paint and to the rim like few others. Any guesses at who the most-blocked player in the league was last year?
http://stats.nba.com/players/misc/?sort ... ode=Totals
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Primetime {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I am no NBA junkie, but I did watch the game last night and some of the game against the Nets and all I can say is that the Celtics fans chanting "M-V-P" at Irving are mouth breathers. He can't finish like IT, and I don't even think he's the most valuable player on the team. I might go with Horford or Brown over him. And I believe that big run last night was mostly without Irving.
You should probably stop watching basketball
Ok bro
It’s fine basketball isn’t for everyone.
I saw curling was on tonight give that a try.
Not an argument.
Field Hockey?
Do you think Kyrie Irving should win MVP of the NBA?
You mean "mouth breathing" fans aren't allowed to chant "M-V-P" for the best player on their team?
Since you're "no NBA junkie," and I am, I'll enlighten you: Paul Pierce never won an MVP - and Garden fans ALWAYS chanted "M-V-P" for him.
That being said, if the Celtics finish the regular season with the best record, Kyrie absolutely has a shot.
I'm actually curious what you mean by "Kyrie can't finish like IT" - Kyrie gets into the paint and to the rim like few others. Any guesses at who the most-blocked player in the league was last year?
http://stats.nba.com/players/misc/?sort ... ode=Totals
I’m aware of the Paul Pierce chants. At least he’d been there for years so you could understand it was more about hometown love than basketball IQ. I just thought it was lame to chant it on Thursday when Irving was 4-16, 1-5 from 3 (since you like stats) and he just didn’t play that well. Couple that with the fact Golden State’s lead evaporated when Irving was on the bench makes the chant seem kinda stupid.
In terms of finishing, Kyrie is a bit slower and more deliberate with his moves than IT. Your stat about blocks is not that relevant. I would say 2 point FG% is a more meaningful stat and IT was .528 and Irving was .505. And that was with a less talented supporting cast.
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