twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:A parent of a current FR told me (prior to the game) that Bowman is telling people that he is one-n-done.
One and done at what?
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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:A parent of a current FR told me (prior to the game) that Bowman is telling people that he is one-n-done.
One and done at what?
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:-
- Bowman can't dribble, which I thought was a useful skill for a PG. He probably should've stuck with football
Oh and the opponent was terrible, that has to be one of the worst 25 teams in America.
I parent of a current FR told me (prior to the game) that Bowman is telling people that he is one-n-done.
We couldn't find a local team to beat us for free?
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:A parent of a current FR told me (prior to the game) that Bowman is telling people that he is one-n-done.
One and done at what?
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Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I won't be concerned until I hear he was saying that AFTER the first game
I think he got a wake up call
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:I won't be concerned until I hear he was saying that AFTER the first game
I think he got a wake up call
this is an actual good point from the funishment. his playing time in practice against d-iii talent may have led him to believe he was a gifted athlete headed quickly to the next level. his actual first game against d-ii talent could have opened his eyes to reality.
or... it could be as i originally assumed that he's not cutting it in the classroom and the one and done might not be all his idea.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:We've all seen Owens vs the ACC and we know it doesn't work. Bowman needs to start attacking off the dribble, if he turns into AJ Turner 2.0, then Christian can probably start sending his resume to MAC ADs. Tava's numbers in the MAC suggest he's better than he looked the first 2 times out so I am not going to write him off yet....but he has been awful so far. I would love to see Sagay even if he's a disaster, he looks like Julius Erving in the warmups. Just throw him alley oops or something
P.S. I want whoever measured Graves at 6'0 to be in charge of measuring my dick because that's a generous measurement by several inches
Owens basically started that comeback with his defense. He is also the only one out there actually leading, encouraging teammates, etc. while JRob and Turner stare off into space.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Whatever his purpose, he gave us a good laugh for the day, so for that I thank him.
thebs19 {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:We've all seen Owens vs the ACC and we know it doesn't work. Bowman needs to start attacking off the dribble, if he turns into AJ Turner 2.0, then Christian can probably start sending his resume to MAC ADs. Tava's numbers in the MAC suggest he's better than he looked the first 2 times out so I am not going to write him off yet....but he has been awful so far. I would love to see Sagay even if he's a disaster, he looks like Julius Erving in the warmups. Just throw him alley oops or something
P.S. I want whoever measured Graves at 6'0 to be in charge of measuring my dick because that's a generous measurement by several inches
Owens basically started that comeback with his defense. He is also the only one out there actually leading, encouraging teammates, etc. while JRob and Turner stare off into space.
This is certainly true, but also seems like a similar thing to touting how Eli Carter's propensity to just say "eff it" and start attacking saved us in barn-burners against OOC powerhouses like UDel and UNH last year, which we probably would've lost otherwise.
Which is all to say, if the kids that are actually going to be a part of this program the next realistic time it could be competitive would otherwise lose against crappy OOC opponents, I say let them; I'm not sure what good it does to have these seniors or grads "save the day" in the OOC when we know they'll be overmatched once we get to the conference games anyway. I dunno, maybe thats too "nihilist Arby's" of a take, but if Garland Owens led us back to a nail-biting victory over the Southland's worst...what would that have really done? Seems a lot like what Tava and Jeffers in the frontcourt is going to do for Reyes, Popovich, Sagay, etc. this year. Lead us to a situation (esp. with all of those bigs that we recruited for next year's class, so those guys are clearly going to be counted on next year...) where we're in a perpetual Addazio-like state of "Oh, we're so young and inexperienced, just need time for these guys in the system" etc etc. It'd be nice to not have to write off 2017-2018 during the 2016-2017 season.
Bender {l Wrote}:I understand the desire to let younger guys on the court, but I think there is something to be gained by giving minutes to Owens who works hard, has progressed and improved throughout his career, and seems to be a positive influence on young players. I know that getting more minutes for a young player should help them improve more, but if they're not ready for this level at all, it could just backfire and crush their confidence. Also there's value in making them earn the minutes with their play in practice, which I don't think any of us have any information on.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Bender {l Wrote}:I understand the desire to let younger guys on the court, but I think there is something to be gained by giving minutes to Owens who works hard, has progressed and improved throughout his career, and seems to be a positive influence on young players. I know that getting more minutes for a young player should help them improve more, but if they're not ready for this level at all, it could just backfire and crush their confidence. Also there's value in making them earn the minutes with their play in practice, which I don't think any of us have any information on.
Agree. Also think that micro wants to play him over Tava, a 5th year transfer, so it should not be hurting the young guy's minutes. I'm on board with Owens in the starting lineup.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:you mean, because they go to the nba????
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There's a downside to maximizing freshman minutes - it can be soul crushing and you may never get them back.
thebs19 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There's a downside to maximizing freshman minutes - it can be soul crushing and you may never get them back.
Certainly. And there's a risk/reward component here. I just think that risk is worth the reward of not flushing 2017/2018 down the toilet before it even begins. And I think thats something that can probably be better assessed 6 weeks from now after we get through the shitty part of the schedule - if its a disaster and not getting better, sure, throw Tava/Owens to the ACC wolves.
I think if there was any value in the current starting frontcourt, be it program building or current success, I'd be more OK with it. And if there was any pipeline coming in whereby it wasn't plainly obvious that we are going to be in the exact same spot w/r/t frontcourt next year, I'd be more OK with it. But neither of these things hold true, so I just don't see the value of wasting this year - where the upside is what, 1 or 2 ACC wins? - in the name of not wanting to overwhelm the frosh. There literally couldn't be any less pressure, both from a program expectations perspective after Friday, and from an "outside coverage" perspective given how little anyone pays attention to the team at this point.
Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There's a downside to maximizing freshman minutes - it can be soul crushing and you may never get them back.
Certainly. And there's a risk/reward component here. I just think that risk is worth the reward of not flushing 2017/2018 down the toilet before it even begins. And I think thats something that can probably be better assessed 6 weeks from now after we get through the shitty part of the schedule - if its a disaster and not getting better, sure, throw Tava/Owens to the ACC wolves.
I think if there was any value in the current starting frontcourt, be it program building or current success, I'd be more OK with it. And if there was any pipeline coming in whereby it wasn't plainly obvious that we are going to be in the exact same spot w/r/t frontcourt next year, I'd be more OK with it. But neither of these things hold true, so I just don't see the value of wasting this year - where the upside is what, 1 or 2 ACC wins? - in the name of not wanting to overwhelm the frosh. There literally couldn't be any less pressure, both from a program expectations perspective after Friday, and from an "outside coverage" perspective given how little anyone pays attention to the team at this point.
If you were the coach and another 0-18 gets you fired, you might look at things differently.
thebs19 {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There's a downside to maximizing freshman minutes - it can be soul crushing and you may never get them back.
Certainly. And there's a risk/reward component here. I just think that risk is worth the reward of not flushing 2017/2018 down the toilet before it even begins. And I think thats something that can probably be better assessed 6 weeks from now after we get through the shitty part of the schedule - if its a disaster and not getting better, sure, throw Tava/Owens to the ACC wolves.
I think if there was any value in the current starting frontcourt, be it program building or current success, I'd be more OK with it. And if there was any pipeline coming in whereby it wasn't plainly obvious that we are going to be in the exact same spot w/r/t frontcourt next year, I'd be more OK with it. But neither of these things hold true, so I just don't see the value of wasting this year - where the upside is what, 1 or 2 ACC wins? - in the name of not wanting to overwhelm the frosh. There literally couldn't be any less pressure, both from a program expectations perspective after Friday, and from an "outside coverage" perspective given how little anyone pays attention to the team at this point.
If you were the coach and another 0-18 gets you fired, you might look at things differently.
If you were the coach and another 0-18 gets you fired, and then you played the "seniors" and lost to Nicholls, you might be searching for something, ANYTHING, to make that 0-18 less inevitable.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:thebs19 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:There's a downside to maximizing freshman minutes - it can be soul crushing and you may never get them back.
Certainly. And there's a risk/reward component here. I just think that risk is worth the reward of not flushing 2017/2018 down the toilet before it even begins. And I think thats something that can probably be better assessed 6 weeks from now after we get through the shitty part of the schedule - if its a disaster and not getting better, sure, throw Tava/Owens to the ACC wolves.
I think if there was any value in the current starting frontcourt, be it program building or current success, I'd be more OK with it. And if there was any pipeline coming in whereby it wasn't plainly obvious that we are going to be in the exact same spot w/r/t frontcourt next year, I'd be more OK with it. But neither of these things hold true, so I just don't see the value of wasting this year - where the upside is what, 1 or 2 ACC wins? - in the name of not wanting to overwhelm the frosh. There literally couldn't be any less pressure, both from a program expectations perspective after Friday, and from an "outside coverage" perspective given how little anyone pays attention to the team at this point.
If you were the coach and another 0-18 gets you fired, you might look at things differently.
If you were the coach and another 0-18 gets you fired, and then you played the "seniors" and lost to Nicholls, you might be searching for something, ANYTHING, to make that 0-18 less inevitable.
Who are you advocating playing instead of Owens?
Onyx Blackman {l Wrote}:Nasty Nik Popovic putting the team on his back.
Tava plays with way too much confidence for someone of such limited ability.
BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:Onyx Blackman {l Wrote}:Nasty Nik Popovic putting the team on his back.
Tava plays with way too much confidence for someone of such limited ability.
I'm willing to give Tava time, he is coming off of a year of not playing. I don't think he is going to be a world beater, but he has already shown improvement in 3 games (albeit it from a very low starting point in game 1).
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