dtwalrus {l Wrote}:I expect to be met with a lot of mockery
Irishriviera {l Wrote}:I agree it's WAY too early for "fire the coaches comments". And saying we are not at that point yet is not the same as saying I'm OK with a 7 win ceiling.
Addazio's teams surpassed expectations in both year 1 and year 2. In year 3, they've come up short so far and looks like they will for the season. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out. last year, 3/4 of this board wanted Don Brown fired and now they want him to take over has head coach.
Addazio needs to hire an offensive coordinator/game manager. He's done a lot of positive things. He just needs to recognize where he needs help.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Irishriviera {l Wrote}:I agree it's WAY too early for "fire the coaches comments". And saying we are not at that point yet is not the same as saying I'm OK with a 7 win ceiling.
Addazio's teams surpassed expectations in both year 1 and year 2. In year 3, they've come up short so far and looks like they will for the season. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out. last year, 3/4 of this board wanted Don Brown fired and now they want him to take over has head coach.
Addazio needs to hire an offensive coordinator/game manager. He's done a lot of positive things. He just needs to recognize where he needs help.
But again, this year was never about results. This was always a development year for the program. Always. Win totals are ancillary this year. Until as a program we're actually in a place to compete for an ACC Championship, honestly the win total is not the most important thing.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Irishriviera {l Wrote}:I agree it's WAY too early for "fire the coaches comments". And saying we are not at that point yet is not the same as saying I'm OK with a 7 win ceiling.
Addazio's teams surpassed expectations in both year 1 and year 2. In year 3, they've come up short so far and looks like they will for the season. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out. last year, 3/4 of this board wanted Don Brown fired and now they want him to take over has head coach.
Addazio needs to hire an offensive coordinator/game manager. He's done a lot of positive things. He just needs to recognize where he needs help.
But again, this year was never about results. This was always a development year for the program. Always. Win totals are ancillary this year. Until as a program we're actually in a place to compete for an ACC Championship, honestly the win total is not the most important thing.
They were in position to win the Atlantic last year.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:My version of this thread was much better. You can't be diplomatic with these people walrus.
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:My version of this thread was much better. You can't be diplomatic with these people walrus.
Maybe not the eepstein's and the TRE's of the world, but maybe there's some quiet lurkers that we can turn off the path of despair! It's a noble fight!
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Also, this is exactly what you look like in my mind, TRE. Is it you?
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:My version of this thread was much better. You can't be diplomatic with these people walrus.
Maybe not the eepstein's and the TRE's of the world, but maybe there's some quiet lurkers that we can turn off the path of despair! It's a noble fight!
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:My version of this thread was much better. You can't be diplomatic with these people walrus.
Maybe not the eepstein's and the TRE's of the world, but maybe there's some quiet lurkers that we can turn off the path of despair! It's a noble fight!
tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
Look at the 2010, 2011, and 2012 recruiting classes. Those are our upperclassmen. There are a few really good ones, but not nearly as many as there should be. Even if you say the average rebuild should be on track by year 3, I'm not sure the BC rebuild from Spaz fits the average mold.
tailgater94 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
Look at the 2010, 2011, and 2012 recruiting classes. Those are our upperclassmen. There are a few really good ones, but not nearly as many as there should be. Even if you say the average rebuild should be on track by year 3, I'm not sure the BC rebuild from Spaz fits the average mold.
Irrespective of prior recruiting classes, strength of schedule, and any other excuse, if the guy has a high ceiling in the vast majority of cases its evident by year 3. The good coaches find a way to get it done. A better coach would have not effed up the WF game, would have guided us to wins vs Duke, we'd be sitting at 5-1 and not worried about prior recruiting classes
tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
This is looking at things in a vacuum. Aspaziano delayed the inevitable rebuild with Spaz's one good class and 5th year transfers. We always knew the offense was going to have a tough year, just not this fucking tough. That said, now that we know that the D is rebuilt, a good coach escapes this rebuild year with 7-8 wins, regardless of injuries. You almost have to be a complete idiot not to be 5-1 right now with this D.
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
This is looking at things in a vacuum. Aspaziano delayed the inevitable rebuild with Spaz's one good class and 5th year transfers. We always knew the offense was going to have a tough year, just not this fucking tough. That said, now that we know that the D is rebuilt, a good coach escapes this rebuild year with 7-8 wins, regardless of injuries. You almost have to be a complete idiot not to be 5-1 right now with this D.
Or you have to lose your starting QB and have to rely on a 2* QB recruit and a 3* ATH recruit under center with no college experience. You also lose your starting RB. Oh, and then on top of all of that, you actually do enough to win 5 games out of the first 6, only to see the refs take back an obvious TD against Duke and your FG kicker miss 4 potentially game-winning FG's.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:tailgater94 {l Wrote}:I don't know where you get the idea that it takes 3-5 years for a good coach to turn things around. If the guy has a high ceiling, its evident by year 3. I'm sure there are the exceptions like a Beamer who took forever to get it going, but the vast majority of cases its evident in year 3.
This is looking at things in a vacuum. Aspaziano delayed the inevitable rebuild with Spaz's one good class and 5th year transfers. We always knew the offense was going to have a tough year, just not this fucking tough. That said, now that we know that the D is rebuilt, a good coach escapes this rebuild year with 7-8 wins, regardless of injuries. You almost have to be a complete idiot not to be 5-1 right now with this D.
Or you have to lose your starting QB and have to rely on a 2* QB recruit and a 3* ATH recruit under center with no college experience. You also lose your starting RB. Oh, and then on top of all of that, you actually do enough to win 5 games out of the first 6, only to see the refs take back an obvious TD against Duke and your FG kicker miss 4 potentially game-winning FG's.
Stop. No QB or PK in division 1 is an excuse for an offense to be this fucking horrible. If they are, you suck balls at recruiting QBs and PKs. I'd suggest the coaching just sucks. Either way, not an excuse.
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