dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
HJS {l Wrote}:It is a national trend brought about by Obama's economy and the proliferation of every game being available in high definition.
HJS {l Wrote}:That said, to the extent that it is more heightened at BC (which I am not entirely convinced is true), it is likely due to (1) the small/Nationally-diverse alumni base, (2) Spazification causing folks to become comfortable with watching games on iPads and (3) the terrible tailgating situation.
Like Dick, I donate and I used to buy tickets and regularly make the journey from NYC. However, the effort and time sacrificed to attend simply do not equal the reward of being hassled for 90-minutes in a half-filled lot where "tailgating" is allegedly "permitted". The tailgating element is what keeps fans coming back even when the team sucks. If you aren't offering that, you are left exclusively with the on-field product to attract attendance. Quite frankly, you have to go back to Matty Ice and Jags to find a time when the product was worth the time and money investment to attend.
Dropping ticket prices to virtually nothing will help get locals to attend. Opening the floodgates on tailgating will help get donors and alums to attend. Winning at an elite level will attract both. The fact that BC has elected "D - None of the Above" and still gets 77% of the seats filled during the season is a quite honestly a testament to a very loyal (and long-suffering) fanbase.
HJS {l Wrote}:It is a national trend brought about by Obama's economy
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
rusty griswold {l Wrote}:dad, i think he's gonna pork her...
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:This is a good theory if you ignore the fact that BC had no option to stay in the Big East, as it imploded thereafter. Attendance would be gone if BC hadn't moved.
b0mberMan {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:It is a national trend brought about by Obama's economy
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:b0mberMan {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:It is a national trend brought about by Obama's economy
What's with the homeless guy talking to the 3 young children?
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:I used to regularly attend home games, but have not done so for a few years now. Aside from the normal family development where my kids are now old enough that they are playing football in the fall--daughter is playing soccer (girl's soccer being the only acceptable form of an otherwise useless sport)--which constricts the ability to travel for a Saturday game, the other part of it is the gameday experience, which still thoroughly sucks. Even if you are like me and willing and able to shell out the money to have prime on campus parking, great seats, etc., at the end of the day, the time it takes to get into your space and the time constraints placed on tailgating, catching up with friends, etc. makes it not worth it. A football weekend is supposed to be entertaining and on some level a time to unwind. There just isn't time to do it at BC and the Jack Booted Thugs pestering people only devalues an at best precarious value proposition.
Living in DC, it is a much easier pull for me to drive to any of the Virginia or North Carolina schools--or even Clemson, where the game day experience is either exponentially better or at the least, far less of a hassle. With the addition of Pitt, I now have another place to watch BC that is within four hours of driving and offers better facilities and game day experience.
The bottom line is that BC must significantly improve the on field product to get people to come to an experience that otherwise sucks. It's a shame to, because the atmosphere in he early 90s was about as good as it was anywhere--Win, Lose, Booze.
To play devil's advocate, are you comparing the gameday atmosphere as an adult to that as a student? Is this just the dissatisfaction of a 40 year old not finding drunkenness as fun now as when they were younger? Or are there people on this board that were "mature adults" in the 90's who can attest to the fact that the gameday atmosphere was just more fun? When did this change? The fence? When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
I'm not trying to be a dick. My personal experience was loving gameday as a student, especially in the mods. When I came back for my first game 4 years later, it was way different.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
Yes, the increased interaction with the Staties has really improved the gameday experience!
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:This is a good theory if you ignore the fact that BC had no option to stay in the Big East, as it imploded thereafter. Attendance would be gone if BC hadn't moved.
yep - it's right up there with the "fill in the corners and attendance will skyrocket" theory
claver2010 {l Wrote}:the miserable interactions with the staties extends far beyond showing up on time
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
hansen {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
Offer a reasonable amount of time to tailgate and a good on-field product and this issue goes away.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:I used to regularly attend home games, but have not done so for a few years now. Aside from the normal family development where my kids are now old enough that they are playing football in the fall--daughter is playing soccer (girl's soccer being the only acceptable form of an otherwise useless sport)--which constricts the ability to travel for a Saturday game, the other part of it is the gameday experience, which still thoroughly sucks. Even if you are like me and willing and able to shell out the money to have prime on campus parking, great seats, etc., at the end of the day, the time it takes to get into your space and the time constraints placed on tailgating, catching up with friends, etc. makes it not worth it. A football weekend is supposed to be entertaining and on some level a time to unwind. There just isn't time to do it at BC and the Jack Booted Thugs pestering people only devalues an at best precarious value proposition.
Living in DC, it is a much easier pull for me to drive to any of the Virginia or North Carolina schools--or even Clemson, where the game day experience is either exponentially better or at the least, far less of a hassle. With the addition of Pitt, I now have another place to watch BC that is within four hours of driving and offers better facilities and game day experience.
The bottom line is that BC must significantly improve the on field product to get people to come to an experience that otherwise sucks. It's a shame to, because the atmosphere in he early 90s was about as good as it was anywhere--Win, Lose, Booze.
To play devil's advocate, are you comparing the gameday atmosphere as an adult to that as a student? Is this just the dissatisfaction of a 40 year old not finding drunkenness as fun now as when they were younger? Or are there people on this board that were "mature adults" in the 90's who can attest to the fact that the gameday atmosphere was just more fun? When did this change? The fence? When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
I'm not trying to be a dick. My personal experience was loving gameday as a student, especially in the mods. When I came back for my first game 4 years later, it was way different.
I recognize that the game day experience will be different for a 19,20 or 21 year old kid than it will be for a guy in his early 40s. It is just the overall atmosphere. There were literally no rules when I went to school. Shit, my junior year before the Miami game we dragged a fucking pony keg into the stadium and wedged it in the bleachers a few hours before kick off (luckilly it was a cold and rainy day that kept the thing cold) and nobody said a thing. It was festive. I have a couple of family members who graduated in the late 70s and early 80s--so they were in their mid 30s or early 40s during my time at school and I've asked them if they notice a difference and they are unanimous that the atmosphere began to change from their perspective in the late 90s or thereabouts and that it has gotten progressively less fun ever since. That sounds about right to me. I had direct friends going to BC and living on campus through 2000--I don't think there was much difference between my experience and their experience from what I observed, but now that I have some younger cousins who have attended and graduated in recent years I am shocked by how much less fun they have. Part of that is that they are Millenials and suck a lot, but there is little doubt that some sort of clampdown was put in place around 2002 or so.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
Offer a reasonable amount of time to tailgate and a good on-field product and this issue goes away.
The former is not in BC's control. The latter isn't remotely true. As a season ticket holder through TOB, Jags and early Spaz, BC fans don't arrive early when the product is fantastic.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:When was there an escalation in BCPD gameday crackdowns?
The first escalation was in '94 after the stadium expansion. I have been lead to believe there were practically no rules enforced prior to this time.
The second escalation was '06 when they first instituted the policy of shutting down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff.
Shutting down tailgates was really badly received. This does also correspond to the timing of the dropoff.
It was poorly received because BC fans don't give a shit about the football team. Shouldn't have to shut down tailgates 30 minutes before kickoff, as everyone should be in the stadium to support the team.
Offer a reasonable amount of time to tailgate and a good on-field product and this issue goes away.
The former is not in BC's control. The latter isn't remotely true. As a season ticket holder through TOB, Jags and early Spaz, BC fans don't arrive early when the product is fantastic.
I disagree on the former. If BC wanted it they could get it.
Regarding the latter, the Pinstripe Bowl was filled at kickoff
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
If BC thought that the price to pay to get the former was worth it, it would have been done years ago.
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
If BC thought that the price to pay to get the former was worth it, it would have been done years ago.
Nevertheless, this still means it is within their control.
I agree that the reason BC doesn't have longer tailgate hours is because BC doesn't want to have longer tailgating hours.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
If BC thought that the price to pay to get the former was worth it, it would have been done years ago.
Nevertheless, this still means it is within their control.
I agree that the reason BC doesn't have longer tailgate hours is because BC doesn't want to have longer tailgating hours.
That's sort of what I said. It would be in BC's control to move the campus to Springfield, build a huge stadium and allow tailgating all day as well. So fuck them for not doing so. Bastards.
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