eagletx {l Wrote}:ESPN Top 40 classes include 9 ACC teams (if we include ND in the mix). Alas, no BC.
So as a honest question, does Addazio's rep for recruiting result from landing reputed quality on LOI day, or does it come from mining players that don't create a stir on LOI day, but prove to be quality players in real time? Again, I'm asking about how Addazio developed a rep as an ace recruiter.
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagletx {l Wrote}:ESPN Top 40 classes include 9 ACC teams (if we include ND in the mix). Alas, no BC.
So as a honest question, does Addazio's rep for recruiting result from landing reputed quality on LOI day, or does it come from mining players that don't create a stir on LOI day, but prove to be quality players in real time? Again, I'm asking about how Addazio developed a rep as an ace recruiter.
I think the answer to your "honest question" is that Daz's rep as a ace recruiter comes from snagging great talent while working as an assistant for Meyer at Florida, regardless of LOI Day.
The answer to the subtext of your question -- in particular the "disappointment" of this year's class -- is that right now BC is far from Florida. This is a very solid recruiting class considering that right now the national perception of BC is a ACC-basement-dweller, with second-rate facilities and an indifferent fan base where 35K showing up to a home game is an accomplishment. A very solid recruiting class considering that.
These things take time. Consistently competing for the Atlantic, drawing good crowds consistently, making some headlines with some marquee wins. If the progress continues on the field and in the stands the progress will continue with recruiting. Daz is capable of great things on the recruiting trail, he just needs a bit more to work with to take it to the next level. Patience...
Also, try to remember that a lot of these recruits have been deciding what kind of school they want to go to for years. Before even taking the field as a high school freshman these kids are already dreaming of what college they might go to. Remember that. And then imagine the recruiting class of '15 as high school freshman dreaming of playing college ball, 4 years ago...when Spaz was crashing the ship. Luckily, that's changing.
eagletx {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagletx {l Wrote}:ESPN Top 40 classes include 9 ACC teams (if we include ND in the mix). Alas, no BC.
So as a honest question, does Addazio's rep for recruiting result from landing reputed quality on LOI day, or does it come from mining players that don't create a stir on LOI day, but prove to be quality players in real time? Again, I'm asking about how Addazio developed a rep as an ace recruiter.
I think the answer to your "honest question" is that Daz's rep as a ace recruiter comes from snagging great talent while working as an assistant for Meyer at Florida, regardless of LOI Day.
The answer to the subtext of your question -- in particular the "disappointment" of this year's class -- is that right now BC is far from Florida. This is a very solid recruiting class considering that right now the national perception of BC is a ACC-basement-dweller, with second-rate facilities and an indifferent fan base where 35K showing up to a home game is an accomplishment. A very solid recruiting class considering that.
These things take time. Consistently competing for the Atlantic, drawing good crowds consistently, making some headlines with some marquee wins. If the progress continues on the field and in the stands the progress will continue with recruiting. Daz is capable of great things on the recruiting trail, he just needs a bit more to work with to take it to the next level. Patience...
Also, try to remember that a lot of these recruits have been deciding what kind of school they want to go to for years. Before even taking the field as a high school freshman these kids are already dreaming of what college they might go to. Remember that. And then imagine the recruiting class of '15 as high school freshman dreaming of playing college ball, 4 years ago...when Spaz was crashing the ship. Luckily, that's changing.
Thanks for telling me what I mean to say, but no, you're wrong. I never expected BC to have a top 40 recruiting class at this point, at least not until he strung 3-5 successful (bowl?) years together, as above all else, success breeds success. Just like at Florida.
So back to the question that I really asked, and maybe no one here followed Addazio's history closely enough to answer. Let me restate my question so as not to impugn your expertise: I am of the impression that he has a reputation as a good recruiter. My question is: Is that reputation based on landing high rated talent (while competing against marquee programs while he was at Florida), or in an ability to develop talent that was not evidenced by the star system?
An example might be Al Skinner (or someone on his staff, I'm not sure which) who seemed to recognize the "diamond in the rough" players who turned out to be quite talented in reality.I would say that is good recruiting, but certainly not from the perspective of having landed a top 40 class at LOI time.
eagletx {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:eagletx {l Wrote}:ESPN Top 40 classes include 9 ACC teams (if we include ND in the mix). Alas, no BC.
So as a honest question, does Addazio's rep for recruiting result from landing reputed quality on LOI day, or does it come from mining players that don't create a stir on LOI day, but prove to be quality players in real time? Again, I'm asking about how Addazio developed a rep as an ace recruiter.
I think the answer to your "honest question" is that Daz's rep as a ace recruiter comes from snagging great talent while working as an assistant for Meyer at Florida, regardless of LOI Day.
The answer to the subtext of your question -- in particular the "disappointment" of this year's class -- is that right now BC is far from Florida. This is a very solid recruiting class considering that right now the national perception of BC is a ACC-basement-dweller, with second-rate facilities and an indifferent fan base where 35K showing up to a home game is an accomplishment. A very solid recruiting class considering that.
These things take time. Consistently competing for the Atlantic, drawing good crowds consistently, making some headlines with some marquee wins. If the progress continues on the field and in the stands the progress will continue with recruiting. Daz is capable of great things on the recruiting trail, he just needs a bit more to work with to take it to the next level. Patience...
Also, try to remember that a lot of these recruits have been deciding what kind of school they want to go to for years. Before even taking the field as a high school freshman these kids are already dreaming of what college they might go to. Remember that. And then imagine the recruiting class of '15 as high school freshman dreaming of playing college ball, 4 years ago...when Spaz was crashing the ship. Luckily, that's changing.
Thanks for telling me what I mean to say, but no, you're wrong. I never expected BC to have a top 40 recruiting class at this point, at least not until he strung 3-5 successful (bowl?) years together, as above all else, success breeds success. Just like at Florida.
So back to the question that I really asked, and maybe no one here followed Addazio's history closely enough to answer. Let me restate my question so as not to impugn your expertise: I am of the impression that he has a reputation as a good recruiter. My question is: Is that reputation based on landing high rated talent (while competing against marquee programs while he was at Florida), or in an ability to develop talent that was not evidenced by the star system?
An example might be Al Skinner (or someone on his staff, I'm not sure which) who seemed to recognize the "diamond in the rough" players who turned out to be quite talented in reality.I would say that is good recruiting, but certainly not from the perspective of having landed a top 40 class at LOI time.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:... Ironically...
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:... Ironically...
you sure about that???
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:... Ironically...
you sure about that???
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
EagleDave {l Wrote}:This class, from a depth perspective is rather unprecedented. Pretty much no fliers and everyone is pretty well regarded (not elite, but talented guys who other high majors at least kept tabs on if they didn't offer).
dtwalrus {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:This class, from a depth perspective is rather unprecedented. Pretty much no fliers and everyone is pretty well regarded (not elite, but talented guys who other high majors at least kept tabs on if they didn't offer).
This is why I'm so pleased with this class. It just feels like he's established a new bare-minimum, which is across the board solid. If you're into stars, I think everyone has 3 stars from at least one of the recruiting sites. No more desperation place-filler recruits.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:This class, from a depth perspective is rather unprecedented. Pretty much no fliers and everyone is pretty well regarded (not elite, but talented guys who other high majors at least kept tabs on if they didn't offer).
This is why I'm so pleased with this class. It just feels like he's established a new bare-minimum, which is across the board solid. If you're into stars, I think everyone has 3 stars from at least one of the recruiting sites. No more desperation place-filler recruits.
The state of BC recruiting had two deficiencies: (1) not enough depth in the program, likely from too many fliers over the years; and (2) not enough top end talent. The last two classes have addressed the first issue, but this year's class (unlike last year's) feels like it did not do enough with respect to the second issue. Although I have defended this on a number of occasions as being due in part to the need to recruit a ton of Olinemen, and the fact that BC did extremely well at the skill positions last season, where more guys tend to get rated higher.
Wilkins was a miss. One or two recruits of his ilk, and this could have been a great class. But the late flip certainly solidified as a good one, top to bottom, that addressed needs on the lines and in depth with more athletes.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:dtwalrus {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:This class, from a depth perspective is rather unprecedented. Pretty much no fliers and everyone is pretty well regarded (not elite, but talented guys who other high majors at least kept tabs on if they didn't offer).
This is why I'm so pleased with this class. It just feels like he's established a new bare-minimum, which is across the board solid. If you're into stars, I think everyone has 3 stars from at least one of the recruiting sites. No more desperation place-filler recruits.
The state of BC recruiting had two deficiencies: (1) not enough depth in the program, likely from too many fliers over the years; and (2) not enough top end talent. The last two classes have addressed the first issue, but this year's class (unlike last year's) feels like it did not do enough with respect to the second issue. Although I have defended this on a number of occasions as being due in part to the need to recruit a ton of Olinemen, and the fact that BC did extremely well at the skill positions last season, where more guys tend to get rated higher.
Wilkins was a miss. One or two recruits of his ilk, and this could have been a great class. But the late flip certainly solidified as a good one, top to bottom, that addressed needs on the lines and in depth with more athletes.
Part of that too is that the program is still mired in mediocrity. It's going to take time (and a lot more winning) before upper tier recruits start seriously looking at BC.
flakes {l Wrote}:I am not going on what TOB says, I am going on the list of the last 20 classes.
flakes {l Wrote}:Who are those guys? Hilliman is not a game-breaker, he's a bruiser that averaged 4 yards a carry. I just think this year's class is much deeper than last year in terms of guys who will contribute.
flakes {l Wrote}:We don't know if Landry will be a contributor yet. Wade and Outlow were 3 stars…Wade btw was offered by Delaware, UMASS and Bucknell.
flakes {l Wrote}:Who are those guys? Hilliman is not a game-breaker, he's a bruiser that averaged 4 yards a carry.
flakes {l Wrote}:We don't know if Landry will be a contributor yet. Wade and Outlow were 3 stars…Wade btw was offered by Delaware, UMASS and Bucknell. I think your definition of elite is different than mine. Jeff Smith may ultimately be our QB. I like what Daz is doing by making the guys he takes fliers on at least be guys who have speed - Alston, Torres
flakes {l Wrote}:We don't know if Landry will be a contributor yet. Wade and Outlow were 3 stars…Wade btw was offered by Delaware, UMASS and Bucknell. I think your definition of elite is different than mine. Jeff Smith may ultimately be our QB. I like what Daz is doing by making the guys he takes fliers on at least be guys who have speed - Alston, Torres
flakes {l Wrote}:Who are those guys? Hilliman is not a game-breaker, he's a bruiser that averaged 4 yards a carry. I just think this year's class is much deeper than last year in terms of guys who will contribute.
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