commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
commavegarage {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
i dont follow pitino enough / at all to know if this praising is common occurrence for him. ill tell you one thing, he's excellent working the officials (especially in comparison to jamie dixon)
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Christian's Xs and Os have impressed me from early on. He's also drawn up some late game plays that have worked perfectly, and would have resulted in some additional wins with better players.
Recruiting gets a B so far - too many misses on top local talent, but he is bringing in guys that seem to be significant upgrades talent wise. Just recruiting an athletic big is an upgrade.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Christian's Xs and Os have impressed me from early on. He's also drawn up some late game plays that have worked perfectly, and would have resulted in some additional wins with better players.
Recruiting gets a B so far - too many misses on top local talent, but he is bringing in guys that seem to be significant upgrades talent wise. Just recruiting an athletic big is an upgrade.
We still are going to have to dive into the transfer pool. We need a backup PG, starting SG and a backup PF for next year.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Christian's Xs and Os have impressed me from early on. He's also drawn up some late game plays that have worked perfectly, and would have resulted in some additional wins with better players.
Recruiting gets a B so far - too many misses on top local talent, but he is bringing in guys that seem to be significant upgrades talent wise. Just recruiting an athletic big is an upgrade.
We still are going to have to dive into the transfer pool. We need a backup PG, starting SG and a backup PF for next year.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
Drastic improvement on defense from last year would include all 5 players making it past the half-court line. No one played any defense last year... so it was impossible for there not to be improvement. I think offensively (especially on inbounds) that there is much better opportunities being created (admittedly I am only talking about a very, very small sample of games I have bothered to watch).
Christian's tenure will be all about the players he is able to land. If he brings in some decent ACC talent, I am certain he will maximize it and we'll get some damn good years. If, however, he continues to strike out, he will be scouring the MAC for a safe landing spot.
eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
Drastic improvement on defense from last year would include all 5 players making it past the half-court line. No one played any defense last year... so it was impossible for there not to be improvement. I think offensively (especially on inbounds) that there is much better opportunities being created (admittedly I am only talking about a very, very small sample of games I have bothered to watch).
Christian's tenure will be all about the players he is able to land. If he brings in some decent ACC talent, I am certain he will maximize it and we'll get some damn good years. If, however, he continues to strike out, he will be scouring the MAC for a safe landing spot.
I've been one of the biggest Christian critics from the get go, it took convincing from some on here to even let me give him a chance.
But so far he has landed
2014 Class: 128th ranked overall Idrissa Diallo
2015 Class: 107th ranked overall AJ Turner
2016 Class: 121st ranked overall Ty Graves
Now that's not to say he has been great or anything like that, but BC hasn't had recruits like this in a long time. So while the Falzon situation was ridiculous and he probably should have landed Sharma, missing on Mann and Terrell was certainly not ideal. He was starting at a disadvantage in all those situations except Falzon, having to play catch up clearly cost him with those kids but he has still found a way to bring in more talent than Donahue in 8 months than that idiot brought in in 4 seasons (not that its saying much to out recruit that clown, but any upgrade in talent is a good thing right now).
Though, if we keep missing on all the local kids in 2016 and 2017, then it's Christian will have a lot of explaining to do.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
Drastic improvement on defense from last year would include all 5 players making it past the half-court line. No one played any defense last year... so it was impossible for there not to be improvement. I think offensively (especially on inbounds) that there is much better opportunities being created (admittedly I am only talking about a very, very small sample of games I have bothered to watch).
Christian's tenure will be all about the players he is able to land. If he brings in some decent ACC talent, I am certain he will maximize it and we'll get some damn good years. If, however, he continues to strike out, he will be scouring the MAC for a safe landing spot.
I've been one of the biggest Christian critics from the get go, it took convincing from some on here to even let me give him a chance.
But so far he has landed
2014 Class: 128th ranked overall Idrissa Diallo
2015 Class: 107th ranked overall AJ Turner
2016 Class: 121st ranked overall Ty Graves
Now that's not to say he has been great or anything like that, but BC hasn't had recruits like this in a long time. So while the Falzon situation was ridiculous and he probably should have landed Sharma, missing on Mann and Terrell was certainly not ideal. He was starting at a disadvantage in all those situations except Falzon, having to play catch up clearly cost him with those kids but he has still found a way to bring in more talent than Donahue in 8 months than that idiot brought in in 4 seasons (not that its saying much to out recruit that clown, but any upgrade in talent is a good thing right now).
Though, if we keep missing on all the local kids in 2016 and 2017, then it's Christian will have a lot of explaining to do.
Milon is also around the top 150. It isn't the type of classes Buzz Williams is putting together, but these kids are recruited by other peer schools and will be a significant talent upgrade
HJS {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
Drastic improvement on defense from last year would include all 5 players making it past the half-court line. No one played any defense last year... so it was impossible for there not to be improvement. I think offensively (especially on inbounds) that there is much better opportunities being created (admittedly I am only talking about a very, very small sample of games I have bothered to watch).
Christian's tenure will be all about the players he is able to land. If he brings in some decent ACC talent, I am certain he will maximize it and we'll get some damn good years. If, however, he continues to strike out, he will be scouring the MAC for a safe landing spot.
I've been one of the biggest Christian critics from the get go, it took convincing from some on here to even let me give him a chance.
But so far he has landed
2014 Class: 128th ranked overall Idrissa Diallo
2015 Class: 107th ranked overall AJ Turner
2016 Class: 121st ranked overall Ty Graves
Now that's not to say he has been great or anything like that, but BC hasn't had recruits like this in a long time. So while the Falzon situation was ridiculous and he probably should have landed Sharma, missing on Mann and Terrell was certainly not ideal. He was starting at a disadvantage in all those situations except Falzon, having to play catch up clearly cost him with those kids but he has still found a way to bring in more talent than Donahue in 8 months than that idiot brought in in 4 seasons (not that its saying much to out recruit that clown, but any upgrade in talent is a good thing right now).
Though, if we keep missing on all the local kids in 2016 and 2017, then it's Christian will have a lot of explaining to do.
Milon is also around the top 150. It isn't the type of classes Buzz Williams is putting together, but these kids are recruited by other peer schools and will be a significant talent upgrade
They are all nice pieces... and certainly markedly better than anything Don brought in after Joe Jones left (again not saying much). Look back at all the great BC teams we have had. Each and every one had at least one elite player. Of course, some were not recruited as elite, but we pretty much knew immediately that they were special the second they arrived on campus (that BTW doesn't bode well for Diallo). Perhaps, Christian has that innate ability to identify a superstar like Skinner did. If he does, great. He will have earned our trust to not worry about other offers/rankings. However, until that time, I want to see him land an elite player because we ain't winning anything significant even with a roster completely filled with players in the Top 200.
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Smith was an elite prospect when he arrived on campus. He was a little underrated first time around but then he spent a PG year in Worcester.
I was referencing his first go around, when he didnt have any offers save cal state fulerton. I remembered he PG'd but didnt know he was an elite prospect the second time around, ill take your word for it though... NEPSAC class A is good ball
Regardless, doesnt change the fact that from 97-2010 we only had 2 elite players that were highly touted/we thought they would be elite "the second they stepped on campus".
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/30/sports/sp-norwoodcol30
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:i dont know how anyone who has watched the games can be disappointed with christian up to this point...last year we had anderson / rahon instead of brown / batten and we were 5-14 (1-5) at this point with 8 of those 14 losses being by double digits. this year we're 9-10 (1-6) with only 3 double digit losses and only one true blowout in a much more difficult schedule.
he's got a wasteland of talent...the coaching looks good despite it. they play hard. they play defense
That's odd part of Pitino's quote, the offense is not where I have noticed drastic improvement. Press break and defense is where it is obvious. I've seen some good plays - the backdoor cuts in particular stand out as do the inbounds plays, but the difference in coaching is that he has a bad team playing defense. That's why they stay in games.
Drastic improvement on defense from last year would include all 5 players making it past the half-court line. No one played any defense last year... so it was impossible for there not to be improvement. I think offensively (especially on inbounds) that there is much better opportunities being created (admittedly I am only talking about a very, very small sample of games I have bothered to watch).
Christian's tenure will be all about the players he is able to land. If he brings in some decent ACC talent, I am certain he will maximize it and we'll get some damn good years. If, however, he continues to strike out, he will be scouring the MAC for a safe landing spot.
I've been one of the biggest Christian critics from the get go, it took convincing from some on here to even let me give him a chance.
But so far he has landed
2014 Class: 128th ranked overall Idrissa Diallo
2015 Class: 107th ranked overall AJ Turner
2016 Class: 121st ranked overall Ty Graves
Now that's not to say he has been great or anything like that, but BC hasn't had recruits like this in a long time. So while the Falzon situation was ridiculous and he probably should have landed Sharma, missing on Mann and Terrell was certainly not ideal. He was starting at a disadvantage in all those situations except Falzon, having to play catch up clearly cost him with those kids but he has still found a way to bring in more talent than Donahue in 8 months than that idiot brought in in 4 seasons (not that its saying much to out recruit that clown, but any upgrade in talent is a good thing right now).
Though, if we keep missing on all the local kids in 2016 and 2017, then it's Christian will have a lot of explaining to do.
Milon is also around the top 150. It isn't the type of classes Buzz Williams is putting together, but these kids are recruited by other peer schools and will be a significant talent upgrade
They are all nice pieces... and certainly markedly better than anything Don brought in after Joe Jones left (again not saying much). Look back at all the great BC teams we have had. Each and every one had at least one elite player. Of course, some were not recruited as elite, but we pretty much knew immediately that they were special the second they arrived on campus (that BTW doesn't bode well for Diallo). Perhaps, Christian has that innate ability to identify a superstar like Skinner did. If he does, great. He will have earned our trust to not worry about other offers/rankings. However, until that time, I want to see him land an elite player because we ain't winning anything significant even with a roster completely filled with players in the Top 200.
HJS, this is some of your best work yet and that is a pretty damn impressive feat!
The only elite recruit we landed that panned out was Reggie Jackson.
Bell, Smith, Dudley and Rice all had major questions the second they stepped foot on campus...
But please don't let those pesky facts get in-between you and your revisionist history.
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Sanders wasn't a bust. Guy averaged 11.3, 12.9, 11.3, 16.6 in four seasons. 1663 career points, including 1048 at BC, which ranks him #37 on BC's scoring list in only three seasons, slotting him right behind Gerrod Abram and Ryan Sydney (also 3 seasons).
He also averages 5.4 rebounds and 2 assists a game over 4 years, 4.2 and 1.7 at BC.
He was a bad FT shooter, at about 61% a game, which actually hurt his point production significantly, since he took 369 of them over his career.
He wasn't elite by any stretch and this conversation is about elite players due to HJS saying something ridiculous and false.
I will give you the fact that Sanders wasn't a bust but rather a solid piece to the puzzle. I was expecting for him to average 16.6 while at BC and not that total in his last year at fairfield. He was hyped up something terrible
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Sanders wasn't a bust. Guy averaged 11.3, 12.9, 11.3, 16.6 in four seasons. 1663 career points, including 1048 at BC, which ranks him #37 on BC's scoring list in only three seasons, slotting him right behind Gerrod Abram and Ryan Sydney (also 3 seasons).
He also averages 5.4 rebounds and 2 assists a game over 4 years, 4.2 and 1.7 at BC.
He was a bad FT shooter, at about 61% a game, which actually hurt his point production significantly, since he took 369 of them over his career.
He wasn't elite by any stretch and this conversation is about elite players due to HJS saying something ridiculous and false.
I will give you the fact that Sanders wasn't a bust but rather a solid piece to the puzzle. I was expecting for him to average 16.6 while at BC and not that total in his last year at fairfield. He was hyped up something terrible
Edit: and to you *** ******* addition. He only learned to play the offensive side of the ball by his last year in our program. So while he may have had elite athleticism when stepping foot on campus, he was far from an elite college baseball player when stepping on campus.
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Smith was an elite prospect when he arrived on campus. He was a little underrated first time around but then he spent a PG year in Worcester.
I was referencing his first go around, when he didnt have any offers save cal state fulerton. I remembered he PG'd but didnt know he was an elite prospect the second time around, ill take your word for it though... NEPSAC class A is good ball
Regardless, doesnt change the fact that from 97-2010 we only had 2 elite players that were highly touted/we thought they would be elite "the second they stepped on campus".
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/30/sports/sp-norwoodcol30
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Not involving myself with the could Milon/Turner/Robinson/Diallo be elite argument. I think its obvious that one or more of them could show up and take over right away (or in Diallo's case, once healthy) in that I'm not sure how you can close the door on the possibility, but I don't particularly care to get into this.
I do think you have to create tiers of elite player:
Carried Team
Bell
Dudley
Smith
Rice
Jackson
Great Player, but not clear they could have led a team to the tournament without one of the above
Sidney
Williams
Rakim Sanders
Rakim Sanders
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