HJS {l Wrote}:I don't see what Memphis and Cincy brings to the B12 other than 2 more teams. If that is what they are going after (i.e. Conf Champ game), I think they would be much better off taking Houston and SMU. The B12 lives and dies with its ability to keep Texas and Oklahoma from going to the P12/SEC. I think the best way to assure that from happening is keeping the B12 all about Texas. As for TV markets, SMU brings nothing as Dallas is already covered with TCU, Baylor and Texas. But, Houston essentially reclaims a market that TAMU allegedly delivered to the SEC. The longhorns also deliver the Houston TV market
commavegarage {l Wrote}:10,000 ft view, boise and byu seem to make most sense for big 12
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:10,000 ft view, boise and byu seem to make most sense for big 12
i'd say this would be the anywhere from 1 ft to eleventy,000,000,000 ft view
talon {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:commavegarage {l Wrote}:10,000 ft view, boise and byu seem to make most sense for big 12
i'd say this would be the anywhere from 1 ft to eleventy,000,000,000 ft view
The further you get from Rutgers, the more likely it is for people to think Rutgers is a good school. Does UConn also become an Ivy League school from eleventy,000,000,000 ft away?
eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:UConn fans are funny. They don't and I don't think ever will understand that basketball is cute, but in the whole scheme of things it doesn't matter.
Football pays the bills, gets the networks talking and brings in the viewers.
commavegarage {l Wrote}:this thread is why i will always argue to the death with anyone - even if we were to have 10 more years of donahue / spaz - that gene's tenure was more positive than negative. id be shocked if uconn football exists at the d1 level in 15 years. id be surprised if it existed in 10
Brooklyneagle {l Wrote}:Agree that Rutgers' induction into The B1G was most curious. But I suppose that, once there, their recruiting will keep them, most years, competitive with other B1G bottom feeders -- doing better than that in the occasional year as the cycle turns. UCONN, on the other hand, would seem even an order of magnitude less attractive than Rutgers, not least because of their men's basketball team's unsavory reputation, which is now well established. I take it the football team's rep in that regard is not as bad, but that's not saying much. At the same time, I was somewhat surprised to see that UCONN has a decent academic rank among public universities, which makes a certain amount of sense in light of the state's location in the northeast and the ranking of its secondary education system.
Still, who -- athlete or real student -- would want to go to school in Storrs, if one had another choice?
eaglesfan06 {l Wrote}:Brooklyneagle {l Wrote}:Agree that Rutgers' induction into The B1G was most curious. But I suppose that, once there, their recruiting will keep them, most years, competitive with other B1G bottom feeders -- doing better than that in the occasional year as the cycle turns. UCONN, on the other hand, would seem even an order of magnitude less attractive than Rutgers, not least because of their men's basketball team's unsavory reputation, which is now well established. I take it the football team's rep in that regard is not as bad, but that's not saying much. At the same time, I was somewhat surprised to see that UCONN has a decent academic rank among public universities, which makes a certain amount of sense in light of the state's location in the northeast and the ranking of its secondary education system.
Still, who -- athlete or real student -- would want to go to school in Storrs, if one had another choice?
With regards to Rutgers vs. UConn, I'm still not sure why anyone would think UConn is below Rutgers and I despise UConn and are generally indifferent to Rutgers.
Rutgers has literally nothing going for them in athletics. At their best they are mediocre at football. At their worst they are horrific. But even outside football they bring nothing to the table. Rutgers athletics is just average to futile across the boards. Sure they have a long history with college sports/football, but they have been pretty much bad to average the whole time. I just don't really understand it.
UConn, while we may mock their football and deservedly so, they have a strong athletic department below that. I know that no one really cares about who wins the Men's Soccer or Women's Tennis title but the actually conferences and the people that play those sports, but at least they have won something and they have a good amount of national titles in those other sports.
In general, both teams should have been stuck in mid-major territory, because neither really brings anything to the table. But if I had to choose between the two I'd pick UConn.
Anyway, I'm still laughing at the idea that Yukon fans actually think they could get into the Big 12. Now that's hilarious.
Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:Big 12 might not add any teams. The minimum dollars any new team must bring in on an annual basis is 25 million. If the Big 12 thinks UConn can deliver part of the NYC market they might take a shot at adding them, but it's very doubtful to say the least. It's more likely that the Big 12 folds into the other 4 conferences because while 25 million per team in tv revenue might be good now it won't be in 10 years and it's very doubtful the Big 12 will get their TV revenue up without adding a brand name. The old deal of Texas, TT, OU & OSU to the PAC 12, TCU & Baylor to the SEC, KU & KState to the B1G and WVU & ND to the ACC will net all of those schools a lot more tv revenue in the next 10-20 years versus adding BYU, Boise St, Yukon, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincy, etc. I just do not see the logic in keeping the Big 12 together.
Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:Big 12 might not add any teams. The minimum dollars any new team must bring in on an annual basis is 25 million. If the Big 12 thinks UConn can deliver part of the NYC market they might take a shot at adding them, but it's very doubtful to say the least. It's more likely that the Big 12 folds into the other 4 conferences because while 25 million per team in tv revenue might be good now it won't be in 10 years and it's very doubtful the Big 12 will get their TV revenue up without adding a brand name. The old deal of Texas, TT, OU & OSU to the PAC 12, TCU & Baylor to the SEC, KU & KState to the B1G and WVU & ND to the ACC will net all of those schools a lot more tv revenue in the next 10-20 years versus adding BYU, Boise St, Yukon, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincy, etc. I just do not see the logic in keeping the Big 12 together.
commavegarage {l Wrote}:this thread is why i will always argue to the death with anyone - even if we were to have 10 more years of donahue / spaz - that gene's tenure was more positive than negative. id be shocked if uconn football exists at the d1 level in 15 years. id be surprised if it existed in 10
also, regarding 81's true love, i think the big 12 will add 2-4 teams (most likely 2) within the next 12 months and that will be it for expansion for quite some time.
HJS {l Wrote}:Sporting News claiming that B12 met with Cincy and that BYU might be involved. And... of course... Frank the Tank has weighed in. Here is your one-stop-shopping discussing both.
http://www.vivathematadors.com/2014/12/ ... -afternoon
talon {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Sporting News claiming that B12 met with Cincy and that BYU might be involved. And... of course... Frank the Tank has weighed in. Here is your one-stop-shopping discussing both.
http://www.vivathematadors.com/2014/12/ ... -afternoon
https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status ... 3871362048
I've heard the Big 12 will first try to get the rule changed that limits conference championships to conferences with at least 12 teams and 2 divisions. I've also heard that the ACC wants this rule changed. I doubt the ACC wants to kick five schools out, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the ACC scrapping the "atlantic" and "coastal" division concepts.
And I wouldn't mind the ACC doing that. I hate that BC will play Louisville or NC State every year, but games against Miami, Pitt, UVA, etc only happen once every seven years.
talon {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Sporting News claiming that B12 met with Cincy and that BYU might be involved. And... of course... Frank the Tank has weighed in. Here is your one-stop-shopping discussing both.
http://www.vivathematadors.com/2014/12/ ... -afternoon
https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status ... 3871362048
I've heard the Big 12 will first try to get the rule changed that limits conference championships to conferences with at least 12 teams and 2 divisions. I've also heard that the ACC wants this rule changed. I doubt the ACC wants to kick five schools out, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the ACC scrapping the "atlantic" and "coastal" division concepts.
And I wouldn't mind the ACC doing that. I hate that BC will play Louisville or NC State every year, but games against Miami, Pitt, UVA, etc only happen once every seven years.
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