DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Imagine if the final rankings had 3 SEC schools. What a uproar their would be.
BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Imagine if the final rankings had 3 SEC schools. What a uproar their would be.
This.
It was the worst thing ever and the BCS was a terrible system when Alabama and LSU played for the MNC. Now there is a legitimate possibility of the Football Final Four being ALL from the SEC.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Imagine if the final rankings had 3 SEC schools. What a uproar their would be.
This.
It was the worst thing ever and the BCS was a terrible system when Alabama and LSU played for the MNC. Now there is a legitimate possibility of the Football Final Four being ALL from the SEC.
considering two play each other this week and two will likely play each other in the seccg, i don't think there will be 3 or 4 sec teams in the 4 team playoff
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:Imagine if the final rankings had 3 SEC schools. What a uproar their would be.
This.
It was the worst thing ever and the BCS was a terrible system when Alabama and LSU played for the MNC. Now there is a legitimate possibility of the Football Final Four being ALL from the SEC.
considering two play each other this week and two will likely play each other in the seccg, i don't think there will be 3 or 4 sec teams in the 4 team playoff
The problem is that records dont count, they are supposed to use who they think is the "best" team. Like it or not, at least the BCS polls used records. You can conceivably have 3 SEC teams that just beat each other in the top 4 and then the conference champ gets in too.
I don't think its conceivable in any universe.
No way that they would put 4 teams in, just on principle of not pissing off the rest of the nation and making the selection committee a bigger joke than the BCS.
HJS {l Wrote}:SEC bias aside, I object to any B10 team being rated ahead of any other team with the same record. Specifically, MSU at 8 is crap. They are living off a 20-point loss to Oregon. No effing way they should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame or Baylor or Arizona or KSU or Georgia. The Spartans would be trounced by each and every one of those teams.
31southst {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:SEC bias aside, I object to any B10 team being rated ahead of any other team with the same record. Specifically, MSU at 8 is crap. They are living off a 20-point loss to Oregon. No effing way they should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame or Baylor or Arizona or KSU or Georgia. The Spartans would be trounced by each and every one of those teams.
I don't think it's nearly as clear as you make it out to be. Baylor has one really good win but also gets punished for their atrocious OOC games (when SOS is a stated criteria of the committee). What argument does ND have - their best win is against a 3 loss team? As had been said, if your argument revolves around who and how you lost, you don't have a good argument. Georgia has a good win but one increasingly bad loss.
BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:31southst {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:SEC bias aside, I object to any B10 team being rated ahead of any other team with the same record. Specifically, MSU at 8 is crap. They are living off a 20-point loss to Oregon. No effing way they should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame or Baylor or Arizona or KSU or Georgia. The Spartans would be trounced by each and every one of those teams.
I don't think it's nearly as clear as you make it out to be. Baylor has one really good win but also gets punished for their atrocious OOC games (when SOS is a stated criteria of the committee). What argument does ND have - their best win is against a 3 loss team? As had been said, if your argument revolves around who and how you lost, you don't have a good argument. Georgia has a good win but one increasingly bad loss.
The metric I keep hearing brought up is "How good was your loss?" Realistically there probably won't be an undefeated team. Miss St. and FSU maybe, but 3 and 4 are guaranteed to have one loss. So the question for the committee becomes "Did you lose to a 4-4 VT team or an undefeated FSU on a bad call or to a Pac-12 North champ that lost to Arizona?"
HJS {l Wrote}:Could someone tell me the program changing wins MSU has this year that trumps ND's schedule?
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Could someone tell me the program changing wins MSU has this year that trumps ND's schedule?
Nebraska. not great but what ND win is better?
If anyone has a gripe, its Baylor.
commavegarage {l Wrote}:i hope a 1 loss mich state team gets in over a 1 loss ND team should it happen. it would encourage ND to join the conference full time
HJS {l Wrote}:DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Could someone tell me the program changing wins MSU has this year that trumps ND's schedule?
Nebraska. not great but what ND win is better?
If anyone has a gripe, its Baylor.
Wait... Nebraska??? Give me a break. Stanford would beat them by double digits. Nebraska (like the rest of the B10) opted to schedule absolutely no one to go with their POS conference schedule. It's as if Delany had Schiano give a speech at the B14's retreat on how to rise in the rankings by not playing anyone. That conference this year makes the AAC look like they should have an auto bid.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:ND's defense is legit.1 Anyone who can't recognize that on an eyeball test is a moron who knows nothing about football. Their receivers and RB are also as good and athletic as any playing college football today. ND's weakness has been its offensive line, which crapped the bed against Stanford and UNC, but completely dominated FSU up front.
That, for me, was the take away from the FSU game. This isn't the 2012 version of ND which essentially got by with a very, very good front seven, the best TE in college football, one excellent 1/2 of an offensive line (the Zach Martin/Chris Watt side of the line) and unfathomable luck. ND was every bit as big, fast and athletic as FSU and what is scarier is that the front seven is all underclassmen/guys with eligibility left.
I don't think Kelly is a great X and Os coach, but he clearly knows how to build a program. He was available--and wanted the job-- when Greaseball selected Spazz. Another thing to be enraged about.
1. Spare me any gnashing of teeth about UNC scoring 43 points. ND turned the ball over 4 times inside its own 20.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.
They aren't as good as last year (which was historically an incredible team). But, I wouldn't call them a paper tiger. Right now, the school at #1 had an OOC schedule composed of Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UTM (University of Tennessee - Martin). UTM has losses already to Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Missouri and Jacksonville State. MSU hasn't dominated in any of their SEC games. MSU basically got major props for beating LSU who everyone though was the best team in the nation because they BARELY beat Wisco. On an aside, look at the OOC schedules for all SEC teams... they are comical. Pretty much everyone starts the season with 4-wins.
My point is simply that folks here seem to be buying into the same bias that has 9 SEC teams in the Top 10. MSU (and the rest of the SEC for that matter) has struggled every bit as much as FSU. The difference is that when they struggle, against South Carolina or Tennessee or Arkansas or TAMU (all of whom are terrible this year) they get credit for a tough Ess Eee See win. When FSU struggles against ND, it is PROOF that they aren't as good as their record.
NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.
They aren't as good as last year (which was historically an incredible team). But, I wouldn't call them a paper tiger. Right now, the school at #1 had an OOC schedule composed of Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UTM (University of Tennessee - Martin). UTM has losses already to Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Missouri and Jacksonville State. MSU hasn't dominated in any of their SEC games. MSU basically got major props for beating LSU who everyone though was the best team in the nation because they BARELY beat Wisco. On an aside, look at the OOC schedules for all SEC teams... they are comical. Pretty much everyone starts the season with 4-wins.
My point is simply that folks here seem to be buying into the same bias that has 9 SEC teams in the Top 10. MSU (and the rest of the SEC for that matter) has struggled every bit as much as FSU. The difference is that when they struggle, against South Carolina or Tennessee or Arkansas or TAMU (all of whom are terrible this year) they get credit for a tough Ess Eee See win. When FSU struggles against ND, it is PROOF that they aren't as good as their record.
I'm judging by my eyes. Last year, FSU was the best team in the country and it was obvious. This year, they are not, and it is obvious.
That said, if they go undefeated, they should be #1 until someone beats them. Trust me, I have no SEC bias. And I certainly don't have a Big10 bias - that conference blows. I'm just noting that ND and FSU aren't that great. If you want to say that there aren't any great teams this year, fine.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.
They aren't as good as last year (which was historically an incredible team). But, I wouldn't call them a paper tiger. Right now, the school at #1 had an OOC schedule composed of Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UTM (University of Tennessee - Martin). UTM has losses already to Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Missouri and Jacksonville State. MSU hasn't dominated in any of their SEC games. MSU basically got major props for beating LSU who everyone though was the best team in the nation because they BARELY beat Wisco. On an aside, look at the OOC schedules for all SEC teams... they are comical. Pretty much everyone starts the season with 4-wins.
My point is simply that folks here seem to be buying into the same bias that has 9 SEC teams in the Top 10. MSU (and the rest of the SEC for that matter) has struggled every bit as much as FSU. The difference is that when they struggle, against South Carolina or Tennessee or Arkansas or TAMU (all of whom are terrible this year) they get credit for a tough Ess Eee See win. When FSU struggles against ND, it is PROOF that they aren't as good as their record.
I'm judging by my eyes. Last year, FSU was the best team in the country and it was obvious. This year, they are not, and it is obvious.
That said, if they go undefeated, they should be #1 until someone beats them. Trust me, I have no SEC bias. And I certainly don't have a Big10 bias - that conference blows. I'm just noting that ND and FSU aren't that great. If you want to say that there aren't any great teams this year, fine.
Yep... I don't think there are any great teams. I just think FSU is no more flawed than the SEC schools they are vying against. And, while I think the SEC is the best conference (and the B10 is the worst... behind AAC), I don't believe they should have as many teams represented in the top of these rankings. I think the P12 and B12 are under-appreciated. My hope is that if there is a 1-loss B12, P12, ACC and SEC school all should be in the playoffs.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.
They aren't as good as last year (which was historically an incredible team). But, I wouldn't call them a paper tiger. Right now, the school at #1 had an OOC schedule composed of Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UTM (University of Tennessee - Martin). UTM has losses already to Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Missouri and Jacksonville State. MSU hasn't dominated in any of their SEC games. MSU basically got major props for beating LSU who everyone though was the best team in the nation because they BARELY beat Wisco. On an aside, look at the OOC schedules for all SEC teams... they are comical. Pretty much everyone starts the season with 4-wins.
My point is simply that folks here seem to be buying into the same bias that has 9 SEC teams in the Top 10. MSU (and the rest of the SEC for that matter) has struggled every bit as much as FSU. The difference is that when they struggle, against South Carolina or Tennessee or Arkansas or TAMU (all of whom are terrible this year) they get credit for a tough Ess Eee See win. When FSU struggles against ND, it is PROOF that they aren't as good as their record.
I'm judging by my eyes. Last year, FSU was the best team in the country and it was obvious. This year, they are not, and it is obvious.
That said, if they go undefeated, they should be #1 until someone beats them. Trust me, I have no SEC bias. And I certainly don't have a Big10 bias - that conference blows. I'm just noting that ND and FSU aren't that great. If you want to say that there aren't any great teams this year, fine.
Yep... I don't think there are any great teams. I just think FSU is no more flawed than the SEC schools they are vying against. And, while I think the SEC is the best conference (and the B10 is the worst... behind AAC), I don't believe they should have as many teams represented in the top of these rankings. I think the P12 and B12 are under-appreciated. My hope is that if there is a 1-loss B12, P12, ACC and SEC school all should be in the playoffs.
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