ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I think QB is and was a problem but the blame game is lame. This is Spaz's team. Davis flunked out on his watch, he ran summer camp and jerked Tuggle around. The who deserves more blame with TOB or Jags leaves too many what ifs in the equation.
-- What if TOB stayed and Zach Frazier transfered to BC instead of UConn.
-- What if TOB stayed and Matt Simms decommits after Petrino leaves and signs with BC.
-- What if Jags wasn't fired and we signed Boyd.
-- What if Jags wasn't fired and we ran an offense to Tuggle's strengths
I could go on, at the end of the day, good or bad this is Spaz's team. He was here for all of the QB issues and knew what he was getting into.
HJS {l Wrote}:Agreed. All the old merrymen posters here (bclou, eagle25, h2o) who hated Jags, never gave him the slightest pass for not being left with a single player in the backfield for his 2nd season. And yet... with no QB and true frosh RBs... Jags never bitched and moaned and coached that team to the ACCCG. A game which we would've probably won if the successful rehabilitation project they did on Crane wasn't cut short by a season-ending injury. Even then, he STILL won two games with the woefully unprepared Dom Davis.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:I take issue only with one aspect: In (often rightfully, mind you) bashing Spaz for not being Jags, people overlook that the "he got to the ACC title game w/Crane/Cesspool!!1!1!1!" arugument greatly distorts how BC got there: the defense was devastating. Herzy was the best offensive player for BC last November; Raji and Brace were handing the offense great field position; interceptions were plentiful in ACC contests. Davis directly gave away 14 points against Wake and the defense didn't miss a beat. And Spaz deserves credit for that- more credit than many are willing to give him these days. He'll never be the head coach that Jags was for BC, but his defense last year was the singular reason we played for the title.
HJS {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:I take issue only with one aspect: In (often rightfully, mind you) bashing Spaz for not being Jags, people overlook that the "he got to the ACC title game w/Crane/Cesspool!!1!1!1!" arugument greatly distorts how BC got there: the defense was devastating. Herzy was the best offensive player for BC last November; Raji and Brace were handing the offense great field position; interceptions were plentiful in ACC contests. Davis directly gave away 14 points against Wake and the defense didn't miss a beat. And Spaz deserves credit for that- more credit than many are willing to give him these days. He'll never be the head coach that Jags was for BC, but his defense last year was the singular reason we played for the title.
Ron Vanderlinden was a hell of a defensive coordinator too. But, as a head coach... not so much. Same could be said about Norv Turner, Dave Wannestedt and Dan Henning. A good coordinator does not a head coach make.
MrAwesome {l Wrote}:UGH, more "Jags"?? Nobody had a problem with "Jags" the football coach until he decided it was parlay time and made a pathetic run at the NY Jets job. All this after telling anyone who would listen how much he loved it here. Why do so many of you stick up for this guy?? Are you BC fans or not?? Isnt it obvious by now that he is mentally unstable?
HJS {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:I take issue only with one aspect: In (often rightfully, mind you) bashing Spaz for not being Jags, people overlook that the "he got to the ACC title game w/Crane/Cesspool!!1!1!1!" arugument greatly distorts how BC got there: the defense was devastating. Herzy was the best offensive player for BC last November; Raji and Brace were handing the offense great field position; interceptions were plentiful in ACC contests. Davis directly gave away 14 points against Wake and the defense didn't miss a beat. And Spaz deserves credit for that- more credit than many are willing to give him these days. He'll never be the head coach that Jags was for BC, but his defense last year was the singular reason we played for the title.
Ron Vanderlinden was a hell of a defensive coordinator too. But, as a head coach... not so much. Same could be said about Norv Turner, Dave Wannestedt and Dan Henning. A good coordinator does not a head coach make.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:I take issue only with one aspect: In (often rightfully, mind you) bashing Spaz for not being Jags, people overlook that the "he got to the ACC title game w/Crane/Cesspool!!1!1!1!" arugument greatly distorts how BC got there: the defense was devastating. Herzy was the best offensive player for BC last November; Raji and Brace were handing the offense great field position; interceptions were plentiful in ACC contests. Davis directly gave away 14 points against Wake and the defense didn't miss a beat. And Spaz deserves credit for that- more credit than many are willing to give him these days. He'll never be the head coach that Jags was for BC, but his defense last year was the singular reason we played for the title.
Ron Vanderlinden was a hell of a defensive coordinator too. But, as a head coach... not so much. Same could be said about Norv Turner, Dave Wannestedt and Dan Henning. A good coordinator does not a head coach make.
While harping on my first point, you completely ignored the 2nd point, which Eagledom over-stated bluntly. Wouldn't you concede that 50% of BCS head coaches could have made the ACCCG with last year's defense? I won't go so far as to say Jags and Logan did "nothing-" Jags' decisions to run the fake FG v. UMD and on-side kick v. FSU last year being excellent examples of the daring that is missing from this year's playcalling. Crane made strides during the season and was running the read option will tremendous success at the end. But there were games when the offense was giving away more points that it was scoring. I was attempting to get a concession that Spaz played a HUGE part in the trip to the ACCCG last year, not proclaim that it means he is a great head coach.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:If Jags doesn't get credit for putting four offensive linemen on all ACC squads then who does? Three of those guys (Claiborne, Tennant and Ramsey) were buried on the depth chart when he first got to campus. That offensive line also put together one of the most dominant performances you'll see as a group against Florida State in Tallahassee. You could give Bick JR credit but he was run off by our AD too.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:If Jags doesn't get credit for putting four offensive linemen on all ACC squads then who does? Three of those guys (Claiborne, Tennant and Ramsey) were buried on the depth chart when he first got to campus. That offensive line also put together one of the most dominant performances you'll see as a group against Florida State in Tallahassee. You could give Bick JR credit but he was run off by our AD too.
BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:They were all my class ('09). Even with redshriting in 2007 when Jags got here they would have been academic juniors and athletic (literally and figuratively) sophomores.
MrAwesome {l Wrote}:So I suppose the people in Tampa Bay are lazy middle-management types who were somehow offended by "Jags" as well?? By that logic you couldnt really blame that shitbag O'Brien either. All he wanted to do was improve himself, right?? If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07?? How did they lose 5 games with him at the helm last year?? I imagine what will follow is the "The QB cupboard was bare, Crane got hurt" answers. The most accurate thing to say is that a lot of people will allow excuses for Jags, like injuries and bad recruiting by the previous staff, that they will not allow for Spaziani.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Every coach loses games. Jags clearly wasn't perfect. I speak only for myself, but the reason I like and still like him is that he didn't make a bunch of excuses or play to keep it close. Mr Awesome, what did you think when Spaz was kicking FGs down 21?
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:MrAwesome {l Wrote}:So I suppose the people in Tampa Bay are lazy middle-management types who were somehow offended by "Jags" as well?? By that logic you couldnt really blame that shitbag O'Brien either. All he wanted to do was improve himself, right?? If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07?? How did they lose 5 games with him at the helm last year?? I imagine what will follow is the "The QB cupboard was bare, Crane got hurt" answers. The most accurate thing to say is that a lot of people will allow excuses for Jags, like injuries and bad recruiting by the previous staff, that they will not allow for Spaziani.
Every coach loses games. Jags clearly wasn't perfect. I speak only for myself, but the reason I like and still like him is that he didn't make a bunch of excuses or play to keep it close. Mr Awesome, what did you think when Spaz was kicking FGs down 21?
MrAwesome {l Wrote}:So I suppose the people in Tampa Bay are lazy middle-management types who were somehow offended by "Jags" as well?? By that logic you couldnt really blame that shitbag O'Brien either. All he wanted to do was improve himself, right?? If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07?? How did they lose 5 games with him at the helm last year?? I imagine what will follow is the "The QB cupboard was bare, Crane got hurt" answers. The most accurate thing to say is that a lot of people will allow excuses for Jags, like injuries and bad recruiting by the previous staff, that they will not allow for Spaziani.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:MrAwesome {l Wrote}:So I suppose the people in Tampa Bay are lazy middle-management types who were somehow offended by "Jags" as well?? By that logic you couldnt really blame that shitbag O'Brien either. All he wanted to do was improve himself, right?? If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07?? How did they lose 5 games with him at the helm last year?? I imagine what will follow is the "The QB cupboard was bare, Crane got hurt" answers. The most accurate thing to say is that a lot of people will allow excuses for Jags, like injuries and bad recruiting by the previous staff, that they will not allow for Spaziani.
Every coach loses games. Jags clearly wasn't perfect. I speak only for myself, but the reason I like and still like him is that he didn't make a bunch of excuses or play to keep it close. Mr Awesome, what did you think when Spaz was kicking FGs down 21?
MrAwesome {l Wrote}:If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07??
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:MrAwesome {l Wrote}:If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07??
Since we are talking Maryland '07 and throwing people under the bus let's look at the game, what happened after and how that got us where we are today.
Mr. Loyalty's defense got killed that night. 42 points and 475 yards. Our offense scored 35. Jags and Spaz were not speaking at the time and Jags had told him if he was going to be a grouch, Jags would help him find another job after the season. Gene had to play peacemaker. We win at Clemson the next week and everyone is happy (for a moment or two).
But the fact that Spaz and Jags were having problems in 2007, yet Spaz stayed because of his relationship with Gene speaks to a bigger problem. Our head coach should have final say in football matters. That is not always the case at BC. I think Spaz is learning that the hard way now. But what is he going to do?
ATLeagle {l Wrote}: But what is he going to do?
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:MrAwesome {l Wrote}:If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07??
Since we are talking Maryland '07 and throwing people under the bus let's look at the game, what happened after and how that got us where we are today.
Mr. Loyalty's defense got killed that night. 42 points and 475 yards. Our offense scored 35. Jags and Spaz were not speaking at the time and Jags had told him if he was going to be a grouch, Jags would help him find another job after the season. Gene had to play peacemaker. We win at Clemson the next week and everyone is happy (for a moment or two).
But the fact that Spaz and Jags were having problems in 2007, yet Spaz stayed because of his relationship with Gene speaks to a bigger problem. Our head coach should have final say in football matters. That is not always the case at BC. I think Spaz is learning that the hard way now. But what is he going to do?
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:MrAwesome {l Wrote}:If Jags was so great how did BC manage to lose to FSU and Maryland in '07??
Since we are talking Maryland '07 and throwing people under the bus let's look at the game, what happened after and how that got us where we are today.
Mr. Loyalty's defense got killed that night. 42 points and 475 yards. Our offense scored 35. Jags and Spaz were not speaking at the time and Jags had told him if he was going to be a grouch, Jags would help him find another job after the season. Gene had to play peacemaker. We win at Clemson the next week and everyone is happy (for a moment or two).
But the fact that Spaz and Jags were having problems in 2007, yet Spaz stayed because of his relationship with Gene speaks to a bigger problem. Our head coach should have final say in football matters. That is not always the case at BC. I think Spaz is learning that the hard way now. But what is he going to do?
MrAwesome {l Wrote}:Yes, Maryland scored 42 in that game. But whose fault were Matt's interceptions that night??? Whose fault was the pick 6 he threw against FSU?? And if we are going to assign blame to Spaz for that Maryland loss, then are we going to credit him with last year's excellent defense??
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