ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Avery Johnson would be a disaster. Aside from 0 college experience and 0 recruiting experience. I don't think the Jesuits would take to his preaching. I'm pretty sure he's one of the evangelicals that doesn't take to kindly to the Pope.
HJS {l Wrote}:I have no interest in the mid-major guys we can get (i.e. those not named Smart or Marshall). I hate anyone from the MAC, Skerry, Coen, O'Shea and whatever other New-England-connection crap name has been floating out there. In fact, I think you have to be very, very careful going after mid-major guys as most turn out to be like Don. I'd much prefer a bunch of guys from the Big East (Pastner, Mack, Buzz Williams, McDermott), but again... don't think any are realistic based on our admin and what they are willing to pay. The hit rate is MUCH better with recycled coaches who are getting second chances (which is the reason why I want Howland and Pearl (never happen) and would even entertain guys like Capel or Snyder).
Cadillac90 {l Wrote}:Also, what is the deal with Mark Few? Will he never leave Gonzaga? It wouldn't hurt to try and see what if anything could get him away from the Pacific Northwest.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:I think a major portion of the hate for Amaker comes from his obvious failures at Michigan. While it's not a particularly strong argument for him, I feel most fans fail to recognize that struggling in your first shot at the big time can sometimes be a net positive in the long run as a coach learns what NOT to do.
As previously stated I am still in the Howland camp. I acknowledge that HJS was the first I saw to mention his name here or elsewhere. And since then I haven't seen anything to dissuade my opinion that he is an attainable big name for alma mater.
BC923 {l Wrote}:I don't think that Bates will have much to spend on this hire. I'm not sure why, but I feel like the administration won't want to break the bank on basketball right now.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:serious question - where would hanlan be going?
HJS {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:serious question - where would hanlan be going?
I had a similar question, but I think he was guessing that Hanlon wouldn't come back for his senior year.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:BC923 {l Wrote}:I don't think that Bates will have much to spend on this hire. I'm not sure why, but I feel like the administration won't want to break the bank on basketball right now.
If they are ever going to break the bank, this isn't a bad time.
JimDog90 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:I think a major portion of the hate for Amaker comes from his obvious failures at Michigan. While it's not a particularly strong argument for him, I feel most fans fail to recognize that struggling in your first shot at the big time can sometimes be a net positive in the long run as a coach learns what NOT to do.
As previously stated I am still in the Howland camp. I acknowledge that HJS was the first I saw to mention his name here or elsewhere. And since then I haven't seen anything to dissuade my opinion that he is an attainable big name for alma mater.
Obviously the board is filled with expressions of frustration over Donahue's performance, but I agree with HJS that it was a good hire at the time. Quoting Pedro's comment about Amaker, sometimes failure is a strength if you learn from it. But there is a process where you cut your losses and regroup. I think of B.Belichick's experience coaching the Browns as an example (stretching the analogy to another sport and level, I know). That is where Donahue is at right now.
It is a separate question whether Amaker has bettered himself through his tenure at Harvard, or is he the same guy and his ability to recruit is going to keep him relatively successful at Harvard regardless of the fact that he is not a good game/bench coach.
Howland makes sense in a lot of ways, although a) the interest has to be mutual and b) the Nelson controversy is a black mark that I am sure would concern the admin at BC
MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:I still don't think Donahue is that bad of a coach. He isn't great, but if you gave him Duke or UNC's roster, I think he would do fine. The biggest problem is he cannot recruit...at all. It strikes me that nobody, on BC's coaching staff had any experience recruiting scholarship players prior to BC. The experience of this staff would be bad even for a mid-major...let alone an ACC school.
I am not interested in the coaches from poor conferences. More than anything we need someone who can recruit at a high level. I'll take my chances with an assistant at a big school that is a recognized recruiter. That being said, I would much rather take Amaker than most of the alternatives suggested here because he is a good recruiter and at least has the experience coaching at a high level.
Cadillac90 {l Wrote}:JimDog90 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:I think a major portion of the hate for Amaker comes from his obvious failures at Michigan. While it's not a particularly strong argument for him, I feel most fans fail to recognize that struggling in your first shot at the big time can sometimes be a net positive in the long run as a coach learns what NOT to do.
As previously stated I am still in the Howland camp. I acknowledge that HJS was the first I saw to mention his name here or elsewhere. And since then I haven't seen anything to dissuade my opinion that he is an attainable big name for alma mater.
Obviously the board is filled with expressions of frustration over Donahue's performance, but I agree with HJS that it was a good hire at the time. Quoting Pedro's comment about Amaker, sometimes failure is a strength if you learn from it. But there is a process where you cut your losses and regroup. I think of B.Belichick's experience coaching the Browns as an example (stretching the analogy to another sport and level, I know). That is where Donahue is at right now.
It is a separate question whether Amaker has bettered himself through his tenure at Harvard, or is he the same guy and his ability to recruit is going to keep him relatively successful at Harvard regardless of the fact that he is not a good game/bench coach.
Howland makes sense in a lot of ways, although a) the interest has to be mutual and b) the Nelson controversy is a black mark that I am sure would concern the admin at BC
Not that I am advocating for Amaker but in fairness, didn't he take over Michigan when they had some NCAA sanctions on them? I am guessing that may have contributed to his shitty performance. That and their OOC schedule.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Bates is a Michigan guy. I highly doubt Amaker is on his short list.
MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:I still don't think Donahue is that bad of a coach. He isn't great, but if you gave him Duke or UNC's roster, I think he would do fine. The biggest problem is he cannot recruit...at all. It strikes me that nobody, on BC's coaching staff had any experience recruiting scholarship players prior to BC. The experience of this staff would be bad even for a mid-major...let alone an ACC school.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:I still don't think Donahue is that bad of a coach. He isn't great, but if you gave him Duke or UNC's roster, I think he would do fine. The biggest problem is he cannot recruit...at all. It strikes me that nobody, on BC's coaching staff had any experience recruiting scholarship players prior to BC. The experience of this staff would be bad even for a mid-major...let alone an ACC school.
I used to think he was a very good X&O coach, then I realized there are points in time during the game when you don't have the ball and that counts as coaching too so I thought he was a mediocre coach. Then I watched him these past couple of months.
His recruiting is terrible
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:I'm scared shitless that BC is going to hire Amaker. He's the worst case scenario hire - he'll graduate players and do enough on the court not to get fired, but he'll never give the fans anything to get excited about. It'll be a long run of 7th place finishes in the ACC, which may sound good now, but will get old quick.
larrydoby {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:I'm scared shitless that BC is going to hire Amaker. He's the worst case scenario hire - he'll graduate players and do enough on the court not to get fired, but he'll never give the fans anything to get excited about. It'll be a long run of 7th place finishes in the ACC, which may sound good now, but will get old quick.
Amaker didn't want the job before. Why would he possibly want it now?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i think he'll be okay with your crayon scrawled submission, but make sure you spell "al skinner" correctly
brad.bates@bc.edu
HJS {l Wrote}:larrydoby {l Wrote}:DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:I'm scared shitless that BC is going to hire Amaker. He's the worst case scenario hire - he'll graduate players and do enough on the court not to get fired, but he'll never give the fans anything to get excited about. It'll be a long run of 7th place finishes in the ACC, which may sound good now, but will get old quick.
Amaker didn't want the job before. Why would he possibly want it now?
I'm just going to point out that the situation that DGF envisions is not the worst case scenario.
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