TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:The lack of sales at Rutgers and Yukon as well as the tax payers of New Jersey ANC Connecticut agree with your air tight logic.
I'll think of this argument as I pass the stores with the aged "grand reopening" signs and permanently shuttered doors
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:oh yeah, maryland isn't part of the acc anymore so we can include them in our arguments too. thanks, mo.j.
HJS {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:oh yeah, maryland isn't part of the acc anymore so we can include them in our arguments too. thanks, mo.j.
Maryland's average attendance this past season: 38,878
Maryland's stadium capacity: 51,802.
In 2003, Maryland supposedly averaged 51,236 a game. In 2007 they announced that after the season they would begin a $50.8mm expansion project (which included 64 luxury suites, 440 new mezzanine-level seats, a presidential suite for 200 guests, new work areas for television, radio and print media, a new team shop and a state-of-the-art scoreboard). The construction was completed in time for the start of the 2009 season.
Here are the attendance figures since they reopened Byrd Stadium (or what ever bank they had to sell the rights to to help fund the uber necessary expansion):
2009: 44,452
2010: 39,168
2011: 42,355
2012: 36,023
2013: 38,878
hinghameagle {l Wrote}:my original question in the post got hijacked. And for the record BC should not add an addtional seat to the stadium, until they can prove they need it.
MY question is, based upon knowledge, or actually being in other stadiums, do most other college venues have the aluminum seating, or the individual chairs? This is awful to admit, I have been to Army, Navy, the Big House, MSU, ND and the orange bowl, and cant remember if they had seats or the aluminum job?
hinghameagle {l Wrote}:my original question in the post got hijacked. And for the record BC should not add an addtional seat to the stadium, until they can prove they need it.
MY question is, based upon knowledge, or actually being in other stadiums, do most other college venues have the aluminum seating, or the individual chairs? This is awful to admit, I have been to Army, Navy, the Big House, MSU, ND and the orange bowl, and cant remember if they had seats or the aluminum job?
hinghameagle {l Wrote}:my original question in the post got hijacked. And for the record BC should not add an addtional seat to the stadium, until they can prove they need it.
MY question is, based upon knowledge, or actually being in other stadiums, do most other college venues have the aluminum seating, or the individual chairs? This is awful to admit, I have been to Army, Navy, the Big House, MSU, ND and the orange bowl, and cant remember if they had seats or the aluminum job?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The propensity of aluminium also exacerbates the decibels when the fanatics of BC actually show up. Alumni is actually a very loud stadium for a night game against FSU or VT. Between the aluminium and the design with no track and an upper deck that is right over the lower deck, sound builds.
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:hinghameagle {l Wrote}:my original question in the post got hijacked. And for the record BC should not add an addtional seat to the stadium, until they can prove they need it.
MY question is, based upon knowledge, or actually being in other stadiums, do most other college venues have the aluminum seating, or the individual chairs? This is awful to admit, I have been to Army, Navy, the Big House, MSU, ND and the orange bowl, and cant remember if they had seats or the aluminum job?
Big House and ND have benches. Not sure if they are aluminum or not. I'm never that sober at such events.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The propensity of aluminium also exacerbates the decibels when the fanatics of BC actually show up. Alumni is actually a very loud stadium for a night game against FSU or VT. Between the aluminium and the design with no track and an upper deck that is right over the lower deck, sound builds.
More than one opponent has commented on BC being one of the loudest stadiums to play in. Miami players have often talked about how difficult it is. It is never really addressed by the media types (as they are quietly positioned in the boxes that overlook both the Stadium and Conte). But, the way Alumni is built, it places the fans (and noise) directly onto the field.
There is nothing wrong with the stadium. What's been wrong is the product on the field combined with the ridiculous tailgating situation. Throw-in a Stanford-like alumni base that is likely not to live near the school after graduation.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The propensity of aluminium also exacerbates the decibels when the fanatics of BC actually show up. Alumni is actually a very loud stadium for a night game against FSU or VT. Between the aluminium and the design with no track and an upper deck that is right over the lower deck, sound builds.
More than one opponent has commented on BC being one of the loudest stadiums to play in. Miami players have often talked about how difficult it is. It is never really addressed by the media types (as they are quietly positioned in the boxes that overlook both the Stadium and Conte). But, the way Alumni is built, it places the fans (and noise) directly onto the field.
There is nothing wrong with the stadium. What's been wrong is the product on the field combined with the ridiculous tailgating situation. Throw-in a Stanford-like alumni base that is likely not to live near the school after graduation.
BIGDUKE6 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The propensity of aluminium also exacerbates the decibels when the fanatics of BC actually show up. Alumni is actually a very loud stadium for a night game against FSU or VT. Between the aluminium and the design with no track and an upper deck that is right over the lower deck, sound builds.
More than one opponent has commented on BC being one of the loudest stadiums to play in. Miami players have often talked about how difficult it is. It is never really addressed by the media types (as they are quietly positioned in the boxes that overlook both the Stadium and Conte). But, the way Alumni is built, it places the fans (and noise) directly onto the field.
There is nothing wrong with the stadium. What's been wrong is the product on the field combined with the ridiculous tailgating situation. Throw-in a Stanford-like alumni base that is likely not to live near the school after graduation.
The ruffling of the corduroy whale pants is signal deafening noise.
BIGDUKE6 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The propensity of aluminium also exacerbates the decibels when the fanatics of BC actually show up. Alumni is actually a very loud stadium for a night game against FSU or VT. Between the aluminium and the design with no track and an upper deck that is right over the lower deck, sound builds.
More than one opponent has commented on BC being one of the loudest stadiums to play in. Miami players have often talked about how difficult it is. It is never really addressed by the media types (as they are quietly positioned in the boxes that overlook both the Stadium and Conte). But, the way Alumni is built, it places the fans (and noise) directly onto the field.
There is nothing wrong with the stadium. What's been wrong is the product on the field combined with the ridiculous tailgating situation. Throw-in a Stanford-like alumni base that is likely not to live near the school after graduation.
The ruffling of the corduroy whale pants is signal deafening noise.
Casey {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Casey {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Casey {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Too much can happen injury-wise and with 2 true frosh as part of the "3-4 ahead of him" that passing on Kimble would be dumb.
I expect this is a two way street. Daz won't waste practice reps or game carries on Kimble unless he's in the starting 2-3 man rotation.
Will Kimble even bother to come back for fall practice if he's buried at 3rd, 4th, or scout team/5th on depth chart? I doubt it. He certainly knows that Hillmam & Outlow were promised real playing time this year.
I just don't see this marriage working out unless he beats out 1 (if not both) of Willis/Rouse in Spring ball ... And it may well be Kimble that backs out. When you've been hurt for two years, you don't really feel like part of the team, until you're back in the rotation.
Hilliman and Outlow were not "promised real playing time" next season. They were promised to be given a chance to play as a true freshman. Same promise that Daz gave Wade which is costing us with Murphy (though it didn't prevent us from wanting to add him into the mix)..
Misdrawn Analogy. It's a given that at least 2 (probably 3) RBs will get meaningful carries to share the load & run different packages ... Particularly in our run-heavy offense. Not true for QBs, where it's usually a one man job. So it's of no consequence for Daz to promise carries to Hillman & Outlow carries as a freshman. Doesn't mean they were promised a starting position and Andre Williams level workload. It just means they'll get carries. Both cited early playing time as a huge factor in their decision, I think you're to think we stole guts from Big10/SEC schools without promising they'll play as true Frosh.
I am willing to bet that at least one of Hilliman and Outlow will redshirt... if not both. There is a big difference between promising PT as a true frosh and promising a change to play.
Let's make they bet. How much?
Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:The stadiums that you are comparing BC to are huge stadiums. The max number of seats BC should have is 50, 000. 1 row of benches around the entire stadium equal 1, 000 seats, an old rule of thumb. The benefits to enclosing the upper deck to match the lower deck are several. It creates an even louder stadium, creates much need space under the expanded areas, and is very impressive to recuits and the TV cameras. The chair seats will keep the capacity down and make it a very impressive, first class facility. If we are not going to have 80, 000 seats or play all of our games at Gillette, we should have the best 50, 000 seat stadium in the country.
Casey {l Wrote}:No worries, even I was surprised how over the top Daz's praise was for the new recruits relative to the players he inherited.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Casey {l Wrote}:No worries, even I was surprised how over the top Daz's praise was for the new recruits relative to the players he inherited.
Really? Because I'm not. With the seniors graduating, I wouldn't be surprised if the team's best 30 players consist of at least 25 freshmen and transfers.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Casey {l Wrote}:No worries, even I was surprised how over the top Daz's praise was for the new recruits relative to the players he inherited.
Really? Because I'm not. With the seniors graduating, I wouldn't be surprised if the team's best 30 players consist of at least 25 freshmen and transfers.
He pretty much sandbagged what he inherited. Said something like "these are OUR players" talked about how last year's class has a few guys that they got lucky with (but basically saying the rest suck). We all know he is generally right. We know that there is a pretty massive talent gap between the players who just graduated and the ones who are seniors next year... and the class they just landed. It is the reason why giving Spaz a 4th year was a tragic mistake... and is the reason why I keep saying that a bowl appearance in 2014 would be an incredible accomplishment for the staff.
As for the RB situation, Kimble changes the analysis drastically. I have always liked him and thought he was the most purely talented RB on the roster (even with Finch and Smash). He was fast and had Mike Cloud-like cutting ability. It is entirely possible that his knee injury has sapped him of all this. Nonetheless, if Kimble came back healthy, I saw him and Willis vying to be the starter with Rouse and likely Hilliman backing them up. I saw no reason why you would take a redshirt off of Outlow (which would ultimately allow the program to have a little breathing room between Hilliman and Outlow). With Kimble gone, I'd still prefer to try to redshirt Outlow or Hilliman. But, now there is a likelihood that we need a 4th RB... meaning Outlow may have to play.
The reason I am putting Hilliman ahead of Outlow is because of the size difference. At 210+, Hilliman would be something we don't have in Willis, Rouse (or Kimble if he returned). And, I think that Outlow would ultimately benefit from a year in the weightroom to bulk-up his 190lbs frame.
HJS {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Casey {l Wrote}:No worries, even I was surprised how over the top Daz's praise was for the new recruits relative to the players he inherited.
Really? Because I'm not. With the seniors graduating, I wouldn't be surprised if the team's best 30 players consist of at least 25 freshmen and transfers.
He pretty much sandbagged what he inherited. Said something like "these are OUR players" talked about how last year's class has a few guys that they got lucky with (but basically saying the rest suck). We all know he is generally right. We know that there is a pretty massive talent gap between the players who just graduated and the ones who are seniors next year... and the class they just landed. It is the reason why giving Spaz a 4th year was a tragic mistake... and is the reason why I keep saying that a bowl appearance in 2014 would be an incredible accomplishment for the staff.
As for the RB situation, Kimble changes the analysis drastically. I have always liked him and thought he was the most purely talented RB on the roster (even with Finch and Smash). He was fast and had Mike Cloud-like cutting ability. It is entirely possible that his knee injury has sapped him of all this. Nonetheless, if Kimble came back healthy, I saw him and Willis vying to be the starter with Rouse and likely Hilliman backing them up. I saw no reason why you would take a redshirt off of Outlow (which would ultimately allow the program to have a little breathing room between Hilliman and Outlow). With Kimble gone, I'd still prefer to try to redshirt Outlow or Hilliman. But, now there is a likelihood that we need a 4th RB... meaning Outlow may have to play.
The reason I am putting Hilliman ahead of Outlow is because of the size difference. At 210+, Hilliman would be something we don't have in Willis, Rouse (or Kimble if he returned). And, I think that Outlow would ultimately benefit from a year in the weightroom to bulk-up his 190lbs frame.
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