basselope {l Wrote}:and it's ghey
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
Like any of us on this board have never considered doing this to Ron Cherry.
Gold Cup (North American championship) started last night.....Mexico lost to Panama, which is always fun, and Canada lost to someplace called Martinique--which I'm assured is actually a real place with real people living there
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
Like any of us on this board have never considered doing this to Ron Cherry.
Gold Cup (North American championship) started last night.....Mexico lost to Panama, which is always fun, and Canada lost to someplace called Martinique--which I'm assured is actually a real place with real people living there
If you had taken french in high school you would know its a real place. This is where you were told all the french went on vacation. It seems they are also good at football in addition to being disgustingly french
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
Like any of us on this board have never considered doing this to Ron Cherry.
Gold Cup (North American championship) started last night.....Mexico lost to Panama, which is always fun, and Canada lost to someplace called Martinique--which I'm assured is actually a real place with real people living there
If you had taken french in high school you would know its a real place. This is where you were told all the french went on vacation. It seems they are also good at football in addition to being disgustingly french
They're not good, just good enough to beat Canada. And I took German and Mandarin in HS instead of French because I am not le ghey
hansen {l Wrote}:2. How did Canada, population 33million plus, ---lose to a Martinique, population 403,795 ?
hansen {l Wrote}:
1. How has Mexico's coach not been fired yet? (or was he fired and did I just miss it?) They're WC qualifier performance has been abysmal...
2. How did Canada, population 33million plus, ---lose to a Martinique, population 403,795 ?
5. You could not pay me to play soccer in a South American country. It's always a bad sign when the referees are wielding pocket knifes during the game.
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MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:5. that story is disturbing.
MF73-Eleazar {l Wrote}:beasley, gomez and donovan have seen heavy minutes in qualifying.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Donovan was in the Klinsman's doghouse. He wasn't being ignored because of his play. And Klinsman clearly likes Gomez, he just like Altidore better (and rightly so now that a combination of Bradley being replaced by an offensive minded coach and a good season in Holland or wherever have gotten him on a scoring roll).
I would be shocked if Donovan is left off of future rosters, and I would be willing to bet that, barring some revelation between now and Brazil, Gomez is on the bench for the World Cup as a late striker sub.
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
Donovan will be on the team and starting in Brazil, as he should be. He is the most-talented US field player of all time. It would have been interesting to see what he would have accomplished if he had even half of Dempsey's drive and will power. I expect he will play outside mid and take the role that Eddie Johnson has playing lately. Eddie has been decent, but his two-way game is horrid.
Gomez may well make the team as a sub given the lack of credible scoring threats at the forward position behind Altidore. But as for Beasley, I think that Johnson, Chandler and Cameron are all more appealing outside back options (assuming that Klinsman stays committed to Besler and Gonzalez at center back). I would also take Cherundolo over Beasley solely for his experience.
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Donovan was in the Klinsman's doghouse. He wasn't being ignored because of his play. And Klinsman clearly likes Gomez, he just like Altidore better (and rightly so now that a combination of Bradley being replaced by an offensive minded coach and a good season in Holland or wherever have gotten him on a scoring roll).
I would be shocked if Donovan is left off of future rosters, and I would be willing to bet that, barring some revelation between now and Brazil, Gomez is on the bench for the World Cup as a late striker sub.
I don't disagree necessarily. Just pointing out that Donovan and Gomez haven't gotten any run lately.
Donovan will be on the team and starting in Brazil, as he should be. He is the most-talented US field player of all time. It would have been interesting to see what he would have accomplished if he had even half of Dempsey's drive and will power. I expect he will play outside mid and take the role that Eddie Johnson has playing lately. Eddie has been decent, but his two-way game is horrid.
Gomez may well make the team as a sub given the lack of credible scoring threats at the forward position behind Altidore. But as for Beasley, I think that Johnson, Chandler and Cameron are all more appealing outside back options (assuming that Klinsman stays committed to Besler and Gonzalez at center back). I would also take Cherundolo over Beasley solely for his experience.
hansen {l Wrote}:This is the best I've felt about the US men's team in a long time.
Klinsmann should have been hired in 06 when he first wanted the job. Bob Bradley was the Frank Spaziani of soccer. he never felt the u.s. could compete with the top teams so we played a boring conservative style. klinnsmann wants the u.s. to always play the beat teams and he expects t he U.S. to win. The U.S. is playing much more exciting soccer and I expect the results will continue to follow as a result. In a country of 300 million people, which is becoming heavily Latino, with a high GDP capita, and where almost everyone plays for at least a couple of years as a kid, there is no reason we cannot be a top 10 team or better year after year.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:2001Eagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Donovan was in the Klinsman's doghouse. He wasn't being ignored because of his play. And Klinsman clearly likes Gomez, he just like Altidore better (and rightly so now that a combination of Bradley being replaced by an offensive minded coach and a good season in Holland or wherever have gotten him on a scoring roll).
I would be shocked if Donovan is left off of future rosters, and I would be willing to bet that, barring some revelation between now and Brazil, Gomez is on the bench for the World Cup as a late striker sub.
I don't disagree necessarily. Just pointing out that Donovan and Gomez haven't gotten any run lately.
Donovan will be on the team and starting in Brazil, as he should be. He is the most-talented US field player of all time. It would have been interesting to see what he would have accomplished if he had even half of Dempsey's drive and will power. I expect he will play outside mid and take the role that Eddie Johnson has playing lately. Eddie has been decent, but his two-way game is horrid.
Gomez may well make the team as a sub given the lack of credible scoring threats at the forward position behind Altidore. But as for Beasley, I think that Johnson, Chandler and Cameron are all more appealing outside back options (assuming that Klinsman stays committed to Besler and Gonzalez at center back). I would also take Cherundolo over Beasley solely for his experience.
Fair enough. I am not expecting Gomez to start, but he has some ability to score quickly, so would make a good bench sub. I really wish this team had Davies pre-accident, they could be very good with another scorer. Having to use Dempsey as a quasi-forward is effective, but not ideal. It is kind of unbelievable how few decent strikers the US has produced over the past 15-20 years.
I think Donovan will be starting in Brazil, but his style of play isn't perfect for Klinsman's offensive philosophy. Right now, Dempsey and Bradley are the two best players in the pool other than Howard. Altidore has shown he is a really good fit. If Donovan is all in, that's a pretty dangerous front group, even if the other midfielder ends up being someone like Jones. It's unfortunately that the other Mexican kid - Torres - hasn't been playing as well lately, because I like his game.
The big question marks in the qualifiers recently have been the 4 in front of Howard. I don't know enough about most of these guys outside of the national team game play to know if it is a talent deficiency, roster choices, or a result of the more aggressive midfield/attacking play, but they haven't been great. Other than Goodson, who is going to replace the Cherundulos and Bocanegros and Oneyewus?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:This is the best I've felt about the US men's team in a long time.
Klinsmann should have been hired in 06 when he first wanted the job. Bob Bradley was the Frank Spaziani of soccer. he never felt the u.s. could compete with the top teams so we played a boring conservative style. klinnsmann wants the u.s. to always play the beat teams and he expects t he U.S. to win. The U.S. is playing much more exciting soccer and I expect the results will continue to follow as a result. In a country of 300 million people, which is becoming heavily Latino, with a high GDP capita, and where almost everyone plays for at least a couple of years as a kid, there is no reason we cannot be a top 10 team or better year after year.
The Bradley comparison to Spaz is decent. In fairness, however, I believe that what Bradley thought was that the US couldn't score with the top teams, but was perfectly capable of defending them. He was probably right to some extent, but we never knew because the US packed it in and never tried to score except on set pieces or when down a couple goals. I think of him more as TOB, with Klinsman as Jags.
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:2001Eagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Donovan was in the Klinsman's doghouse. He wasn't being ignored because of his play. And Klinsman clearly likes Gomez, he just like Altidore better (and rightly so now that a combination of Bradley being replaced by an offensive minded coach and a good season in Holland or wherever have gotten him on a scoring roll).
I would be shocked if Donovan is left off of future rosters, and I would be willing to bet that, barring some revelation between now and Brazil, Gomez is on the bench for the World Cup as a late striker sub.
I don't disagree necessarily. Just pointing out that Donovan and Gomez haven't gotten any run lately.
Donovan will be on the team and starting in Brazil, as he should be. He is the most-talented US field player of all time. It would have been interesting to see what he would have accomplished if he had even half of Dempsey's drive and will power. I expect he will play outside mid and take the role that Eddie Johnson has playing lately. Eddie has been decent, but his two-way game is horrid.
Gomez may well make the team as a sub given the lack of credible scoring threats at the forward position behind Altidore. But as for Beasley, I think that Johnson, Chandler and Cameron are all more appealing outside back options (assuming that Klinsman stays committed to Besler and Gonzalez at center back). I would also take Cherundolo over Beasley solely for his experience.
Fair enough. I am not expecting Gomez to start, but he has some ability to score quickly, so would make a good bench sub. I really wish this team had Davies pre-accident, they could be very good with another scorer. Having to use Dempsey as a quasi-forward is effective, but not ideal. It is kind of unbelievable how few decent strikers the US has produced over the past 15-20 years.
I think Donovan will be starting in Brazil, but his style of play isn't perfect for Klinsman's offensive philosophy. Right now, Dempsey and Bradley are the two best players in the pool other than Howard. Altidore has shown he is a really good fit. If Donovan is all in, that's a pretty dangerous front group, even if the other midfielder ends up being someone like Jones. It's unfortunately that the other Mexican kid - Torres - hasn't been playing as well lately, because I like his game.
The big question marks in the qualifiers recently have been the 4 in front of Howard. I don't know enough about most of these guys outside of the national team game play to know if it is a talent deficiency, roster choices, or a result of the more aggressive midfield/attacking play, but they haven't been great. Other than Goodson, who is going to replace the Cherundulos and Bocanegros and Oneyewus?
For the first time in as long as can remember (going back to Paul Caligiuri and the Shot Heard Round the Word in Port of Spain), I am more concerned about the US defense than about the goal scoring.
I think Besler and Gonzalez have tons of potential, but lack experience at the highest international level. If this is JK's favored central pairing, then they should play every minute in qualifying and all tune up games before June 2014. Goodson is limited physically in speed and strength and I don't think JK wants to count on him at all. Onyewu can still play, but he has lost a step and his touch/distribution are still mainly putrid, which is why he is not a JK favorite.
Outside back seems much more in flux, and I think that JK really wants to use athletic, two way players with speed. Johnson is my favorite at left back and Chandler is my favorite at right back. But, they both lack experience as well. So, it would be best if they could get as many minutes as possible to gel with the centerbacks. Cherundolo is very old and has lost more than a step, but still sees the game and reacts as well as any outside back we have had in a long time. I personally think Beasley is absolutely terrible and should never see the field. But hey, I also felt the same way about Carlos Bocanegra ever since he uncessarily kicked a ball back into the penalty area to give up a crucial goal to Ghana in stoppage time back on June 22, 2006 instead of simply pushing the ball out of bounds(go to 1:20 of the clip):
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
Fair enough. I am not expecting Gomez to start, but he has some ability to score quickly, so would make a good bench sub. I really wish this team had Davies pre-accident, they could be very good with another scorer. Having to use Dempsey as a quasi-forward is effective, but not ideal. It is kind of unbelievable how few decent strikers the US has produced over the past 15-20 years.
I think Donovan will be starting in Brazil, but his style of play isn't perfect for Klinsman's offensive philosophy. Right now, Dempsey and Bradley are the two best players in the pool other than Howard. Altidore has shown he is a really good fit. If Donovan is all in, that's a pretty dangerous front group, even if the other midfielder ends up being someone like Jones. It's unfortunately that the other Mexican kid - Torres - hasn't been playing as well lately, because I like his game.
The big question marks in the qualifiers recently have been the 4 in front of Howard. I don't know enough about most of these guys outside of the national team game play to know if it is a talent deficiency, roster choices, or a result of the more aggressive midfield/attacking play, but they haven't been great. Other than Goodson, who is going to replace the Cherundulos and Bocanegros and Oneyewus?
hansen {l Wrote}:This is the best I've felt about the US men's team in a long time.
Klinsmann should have been hired in 06 when he first wanted the job. Bob Bradley was the Frank Spaziani of soccer. he never felt the u.s. could compete with the top teams so we played a boring conservative style. klinnsmann wants the u.s. to always play the beat teams and he expects t he U.S. to win. The U.S. is playing much more exciting soccer and I expect the results will continue to follow as a result. In a country of 300 million people, which is becoming heavily Latino, with a high GDP capita, and where almost everyone plays for at least a couple of years as a kid, there is no reason we cannot be a top 10 team or better year after year.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
We looked pretty fucking good in the Confed Cup in 09 .
The Bradley comparison to Spaz is decent. In fairness, however, I believe that what Bradley thought was that the US couldn't score with the top teams, but was perfectly capable of defending them. He was probably right to some extent, but we never knew because the US packed it in and never tried to score except on set pieces or when down a couple goals. I think of him more as TOB, with Klinsman as Jags.
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