innocentbystander {l Wrote}:a "true" triple crown winner would lead in these three categorites:
- RBIs
claver2010 {l Wrote}:checked for a space but...innocentbystander {l Wrote}:a "true" triple crown winner would lead in these three categorites:
- RBIs
no
if we're going sabr
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
I wouldn't discount them entirely, either. But they're also far from an important statistic. For every RBI that's the result of timely or clutch hitting there's another that's in the middle of a blowout and irrelevant, and there's a whole lot of luck just in getting the opportunities.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
The reason it's discounted is because it's largely based upon guys getting on base ahead of said player and less of an actual indication of the players skill. You throw 2002 Manny in the Mariners lineup and he would struggle to put up 100 RBI. They're not pointless but there's better stuff out there that gives you an indication of a players ability outside of a number that needs a fair amount of context when comparing players.
Edit: I guess this goes to the luck component Civil noted above that I missed due to my poor reading abilities.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
I wouldn't discount them entirely, either. But they're also far from an important statistic. For every RBI that's the result of timely or clutch hitting there's another that's in the middle of a blowout and irrelevant, and there's a whole lot of luck just in getting the opportunities.
The same can be said for any stat. The "Mike Stanley Memorial HR in a blowout" adds to slugging and the walk in the 8th inning of a 12-4 game adds to OBP, each increasing OPS.
Over the course of 162 games, the best hitters are usually the ones driving in 100+ runs. They also happen to be on the best teams in most cases, so they have the most opportunities. But I think the 600-700 PAs account for most of the luck.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
I wouldn't discount them entirely, either. But they're also far from an important statistic. For every RBI that's the result of timely or clutch hitting there's another that's in the middle of a blowout and irrelevant, and there's a whole lot of luck just in getting the opportunities.
The same can be said for any stat. The "Mike Stanley Memorial HR in a blowout" adds to slugging and the walk in the 8th inning of a 12-4 game adds to OBP, each increasing OPS.
Over the course of 162 games, the best hitters are usually the ones driving in 100+ runs. They also happen to be on the best teams in most cases, so they have the most opportunities. But I think the 600-700 PAs account for most of the luck.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Then why don't "runs" count?
they DO count. they are counting in your RBIs. those runs are YOUR runs. you batted (or Sac-flyed, or maybe only "walked") them in.
IMHO, RBIs are the MOST important statistic there is to measure a hitter's value to a baseball team
OBP is your direct measurement to get on base to BE batted in by someone else
Total Pitches Faced is your direct measurement of dismantling/disrupting the most important player on the field. If great pitching wins, get the other team's great pitchers OUT of the game, and get them out early. If you strike out on 14 pitches, all is not necessarily lost
JMO
There's no space.
RBI's are an utterly retarded way to compare hitters.
I actually think that the sabremetricians' discounting of RBI entirely because "there is no such thing as timely or clutch hitting" to be one of the most retarded things in the history of sports. That said, RBI are given too much weight overall, and certainly here by nospace.
The reason it's discounted is because it's largely based upon guys getting on base ahead of said player and less of an actual indication of the players skill. You throw 2002 Manny in the Mariners lineup and he would struggle to put up 100 RBI. They're not pointless but there's better stuff out there that gives you an indication of a players ability outside of a number that needs a fair amount of context when comparing players.
Edit: I guess this goes to the luck component Civil noted above that I missed due to my poor reading abilities.
I concede your point is true. I do not agree with "luck" on a more narrow basis over a 700 PA season. Like "Ramirez had more RBI this season because he had more luck" versus your proposal that you put him in a Mariners' lineup. The latter I agree with, the former not so much.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Back to the original point of this thread, what do we think are the chances that Cabrera repeats?
claver2010 {l Wrote}:looks like nospace got you guys again
*i assume it's because tedwardo is
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:looks like nospace got you guys again
*i assume it's because tedwardo is
Actually I believe I have successfully hijacked TRE's thread. Because I was bored.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Back to the original point of this thread, what do we think are the chances that Cabrera repeats?
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:no one hijacked anything here. it is good discussion
i am "re-evaluating" my outlook on RBIs.
i still love OBP and Total Pitches faced though
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Is there video of this fight? Because that sounds like an entertaining and fascinating watch.
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