BCWest on EA {l Wrote}:There are a bunch of folks who say you can't evaluate Daz to date. That is true in terms of the long run. But you can compare him to others in a similar situation and how they did with their first classes.
Take a look at all the coaches who were hired this past few months. Take only the programs that fired their previous coach because they were not happy with the prior coach's performance. So in none of these cases was the program on the upswing. Some of them were further down than others. No question BC is way down.
Looking at Rivals and how these coaches did, here are some apples to apples comparisons and some facts. I won't even bring up Auburn (10th rated class), Tennessee (20th rated class), and Arkansas (26th rated). Those are all football factories that turned over coaches. But look at the rest and compare what Daz did recruiting wise.
CU: Mike MacIntyre
67th rated class. Signed an additional 7 guys, 4 with Big 5 offers besides CU. 2 kids he flipped that he had at San Jose State. All from Cali. One local kid he took from CSU who was highly recruited before he blew out his knee. Mac found out how his recovery was going and jumped on him when he found out the kid was doing great.
CU was 1-11, were out scored 214 to 552, they have gone 12-37 the past 4 years, and have not had a winning season since 2005. So clearly they are way down and actually in a much worse situation than BC.
Purdue: Darrell Hazell
55th rated class. 13 kids committed to Hazzell! Not 13 total, 13 after he came on board. He kept the 10 kids on board before he came in. Of the 13 new ones, 8 were 3 stars. Of the five 2 stars he went and got they are from NY, GA, IL, OH and Florida. Of the ten highest ranked kids in his class, he landed 8 of them in January and February.
Purdue has one winning season in 5 years (7-6). And they are Purdue! Clearly in just as bad a situation as BC.
USF: Willie Taggert.
51st rated class. 15 kids added after he got on board. Two 4 stars! Ten 3 stars. Two 2 stars. Is there anything else to say other than wow?
Last three years mirror very similar to BC with back to back losing seasons, coming off a 3-9 year. 8-5 three years ago. But in addition to that, they don't even have a conference home and they have no status as a participant in college football's new playoff system because they are on the outside looking in.
NC State: David Doren
46th rated class. 12 news kids after Doren got on board. 8 three stars. Of the two stars he went to GA for a QB, NY for an OL, SC for a DB and FL for a DB.
Under TOB they went 40-36 and had one winning record in conference over 6 years. BC went 41-37 over the same period, but had 4 of 6 winning seasons and actually had a winning record in conf 3 times. NC State has been better last two years than BC for sure. But the two are in the same ballpark.
Cal: Sonny Dykes
29th rated class. Enough said right there since Sonny went out and got 17 new kids to come on board. 14 three stars and 3 two stars.
Like BC they had some success not that long ago. But just went 3-9, were outscored 276-397, and like BC have had only one winning season in 3 years (7-6). Again, same ballpark as BC.
Kentucky: Mark Stoops
28th rated class. Stoops goes out and gets 14 more kids. Three 4 star kids! Nine 3 star kids. And two 2 star kids. Finishes with 28th ranked class in US at Kentucky. That is great for Kentucky any year let alone with a coach who had two months to put it together.
They just went 2-10 and were outscored 215-372. And just like BC their last winning season was 4 years ago. Again, very similar to BC. Plus Kentucky is not exactly a pillar of football history.
Boston College: Dazzler
87th ranked class. Daz added 4 kids, 2 of which were 4 year players. One 3 star and one 2 star. Between them no BCS offers, no offers from anywhere but the MAC. Does Albany even offer scholarships? Seriously?
How does it all compare?
Daz essentially brought in 2 kids. He is selling it as 4 kids, but he had 4 schollies. One a transfer at OL with one year of eligibility left. Another transfer, his son, who was two star recruit the year Louie came out. USF, Cuse, and Akron were his offers. The two 4 year players Daz did get; One a QB with 5 MAC offers. Another a RB with an offer from Albany. A kid that Daz did not even offer when he was at Temple after the kid came to his Temple camp. How impressive is that for one of the four schollies you have?
Apples to apples, how did Daz do vs his peers? You can grade it on your own. Daz had 4 to give and got a kid he did not offer while at Temple, his son, a transfer with a year left and a QB without a BCS offer which also told Boyle to hit the road. I don't know how anyone can objectively say this was a good start to the Daz era. As for the "I only had a few schollies to give" argument, I don't buy it. If you only have a couple, or 3, or 4, you better make them count. They should be decent to good players. You had just a few slots and the least you could do was sell 2 or 3 solid kids. As for Boyle leaving, sure I get it. He does not fit your system. You are going to run 2/3 of the time and do it out of a semi-spread. But you can't say that scares off pro style QBs in one breath and then say it is not a selling a point to get a strong RB recruit. Your depth chart at RB is wide open, you are gonna run 2/3 of the time, and you can't sell ONE well rated recruit at RB?
My take. Daz's results are clearly the worst of the guys who took over programs where the previous coach was fired and the programs were not strong. Does it mean Daz will fail? Of course not. But it is another big red flag. Add that red flag to the others like what Florida thought of his results as OC, the fact he just went 4-7 at Temple, and his staff hires overall look very average compared to the rest of the ACC staffs. The result of his start? He has done nothing to date to assuage concerns that he was a subpar hire.
So BCwest posted this on EA. It shows how good the contemporary (timing wise) hires, Hazell, Doeren, Stoops, Dykes, Macintyre, Taggert did with transition class recruiting. Its a well researched post. I don't post over there but wanted to respond anyway because while it is truly damning if you discount the difference in verbals inherited and total scholarships taken together with restrictions on reneging commitments, I'd argue that taking the comparison with such information discounted is not valid.
Here is the information that I believe makes it an invalid comparison:
Purdue: Darrell Hazell - Eventual class size (23); Inherited Commits* (9) --> spots used by new coach 14
USF: Willie Taggert. - Eventual class size (22); Inherited Commits* (6) --> spots used by new coach 16
CU: Mike MacIntyre - Eventual class size (19); Inherited Commits* (12) --> spots used by new coach 7
NC State: David Doren - Eventual class size (23); Inherited Commits* (11) --> spots used by new coach 12
Cal: Sonny Dykes - Eventual class size (26); Inherited Commits* (9) --> spots used by new coach 17
Kentucky: Mark Stoops - Eventual class size (22); Inherited Commits* (8) --> spots used by new coach 14
BC: The Dazzler - Eventual class size (15); Inherited Commits* (17 - 4 decommits) --> spots used by new coach 2**
* Inherited commits is inexact. The amount of decommits or reneged scholarships is not easily ascertainable information. Therefore, it is entirely possible that the inherited commitment numbers for the compared coaches were actually higher than shown.
** I don't know what to do with L. Addazio and Patchan. From a straight roster spot breakdown, Addazio had zero (actually -1) spots when he arrived. Geiger decommitted first on 12/8 (either 1 or zero open spots), Daniels on 12/14 (either 1 or 2), L. Addazio transfers on 1/3 (if he gets a schollie back down to 1 or zero, if not still at 1 or 2) Monteroso on 1/22 (anywhere from 1-3) Walsh commits in this time period (anywhere from 0-2) and Boyle last weekend anywhere from 1-3) Then Patch and Rouse come aboard (anywhere from -1 to 1).
The fifth/sixth years based on the post in the other thread that breaks down roster spots are Ramsey, Ian White, Andre Lawrence, Jonathan Coleman, Kasim Edebali, Duece Finch, Bryan Davis, Freese, Naples and Sinkovec.
Drunkle Dave and Marco polo didn't play at all last year (I think) so arguably they have eligibility left too but they were not included in the 86 count. Davenport is also not on the list even though Spazoo gave him a schollie last year.
So seeing as Ramsey, White, Lawrence, Coleman Edebali, Finch, Davis, Freese, Naples and Sinkovec were all on the two deep and 8 of them are potential starters, who do you not ask back for a 5th/6th? If BC isn't going to allow the Dazzler to cut ties on verbals, is it really going to allow him to oversign counting on undergrad attrition? If so, by how many players 2? 3?