buconvict {l Wrote}:As I stated previously, they should have kept Ward and Kessel, not signed Morris and Begin. If you trade Kobasew at that point, then you make all the pieces work under the cap, instead of dumping a guy 8 games into the season so you can clear cap space for "next season"
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:MarchanD/Sobotka is replacing Kobasew. That's all I said. I believe that both Bergeron and Krejci do have the ability to replace Savvy after the season. I apologize for being wary of giving 32 year-olds large contracts (I don't think I commented on this but since I apparently said a winger can replace Savvy, fuck it, I'm sure people will disagree with me here for whatever reason). Bergeron was well on his way to becoming a top-line center before Randy Jones nearly broke his neck two years ago. He's looked very solid this year. Krejci is probably more of a number two but I feel he has a ton of room to grow. The one thing the Bruins aren't missing, both in the NHL and AHL, is center depth. Hamill waiting in the wings and Colborne is lighting up the NCAAs again. That's one area where the B's are at a strength.
IMO if the Bruins kept Kessel at $5.4 AAV, with the cap space they'd have to move around, the team would've been worse. Sorry for having a basic understanding of the salary cap and the fact that teams don't always have the ability to keep everyone. It's not a soft cap like the NBA. It's a fucking hard cap. You can't spend over the cap amount. There's no luxury tax. There's no Larry Bird Exception. There's no wiggle room. I don't know what Oakland has to do with this. It's a shitty analogy because they couldn't afford those guys while other teams could pay them whatever they wanted to because MLB doesn't have a cap. The Bruins could afford Kessel, they just didn't have the cap room to get him.
Now I'm curious because after all this debate I'm the only one who has given a reason as why the Bruins weren't wholly wrong for trading Kessel. Please enlighten me with what the Bruins should have done in order to keep Kessel (roster moves and all that jazz). I am legitimately curious if you comprehend the situation. This is coming off as snarky as hell but so far the only argument I've seen is that the Bruins should have signed Kessel and...well, that's it. Make me eat crow.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:As I stated previously, they should have kept Ward and Kessel, not signed Morris and Begin. If you trade Kobasew at that point, then you make all the pieces work under the cap, instead of dumping a guy 8 games into the season so you can clear cap space for "next season"
That only frees up about 4 million (800k savings with Ward, a little under $1 million with Begin, $2.3 million with Kobasew) under the cap with the trade of Kobasew. Find an extra $1.5 million.
buconvict {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:As I stated previously, they should have kept Ward and Kessel, not signed Morris and Begin. If you trade Kobasew at that point, then you make all the pieces work under the cap, instead of dumping a guy 8 games into the season so you can clear cap space for "next season"
That only frees up about 4 million (800k savings with Ward, a little under $1 million with Begin, $2.3 million with Kobasew) under the cap with the trade of Kobasew. Find an extra $1.5 million.
There's 3.3 million right there. No Morris and No Begin = 4.2 mil. Keep Ward makes that figure 3.4 mil. Trade Chuck for picks and you're up to 5.7 million, plenty enough to keep Kessel.
This thread has gotten out of hand. I'm stunned to see people who actually care about the Bruins defending what's going on right now. The whole "the players need to be better" is yet another TOB regurgitation that you are all buying into, and I cannot understand why. The Bruins have significantly downgraded their team from last year, a team that got knocked out in the 2nd round. They needed to improve, but they regressed. I don't see how that is acceptable.
buconvict {l Wrote}:Without further indulging the TOB-esque excuse machine, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the Bruins haven't scored in their last two games, your Golden Boy David Krejci has one goal and four assists in 14 games, and the team has one of the 3 worst powerplays in the NHL. But that's solely because Lucic and his 17 goals from '08 are injured.
Krejci 4evr ool
buconvict {l Wrote}:Without further indulging the TOB-esque excuse machine, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the Bruins haven't scored in their last two games, your Golden Boy David Krejci has one goal and four assists in 14 games, and the team has one of the 3 worst powerplays in the NHL. But that's solely because Lucic and his 17 goals from '08 are injured.
Krejci 4evr ool
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:This is what you have to understand about BUConvict. He doesn't use any sense of logic in any argument. The three of us can agree that the Bruins are awful right now but:
- No Lucic and Savard isn't helping things in the slightest
- Phil Kessell would have been really useful sitting next to me in the press box (I work in the sports media for the Caps)
- Kobessew is really tearing it up in his new destination (not)
The Bruins struggles have nothing to do with missing Phil Kessell and Aaron Ward. It has more to do with Krecji playing awful, 2 of our top 6 forwards are injured and Thomas playing shotty in goal.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:This is what you have to understand about BUConvict. He doesn't use any sense of logic in any argument. The three of us can agree that the Bruins are awful right now but:
- No Lucic and Savard isn't helping things in the slightest
- Phil Kessell would have been really useful sitting next to me in the press box (I work in the sports media for the Caps)
- Kobessew is really tearing it up in his new destination (not)
The Bruins struggles have nothing to do with missing Phil Kessell and Aaron Ward. It has more to do with Krecji playing awful, 2 of our top 6 forwards are injured and Thomas playing shotty in goal.
You say it so much more eloquently and with less words than I do.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:You know what, I'm not quite done with this I've decided. The B's should have made the deal that moved Kessel to Toronto for Kaberle. Kaberle would have helped the PP (12 PP this season) and provided the B's with another solid defensemen, you can' t have too many of those. I've been pleasantly suprised with Derrick Morris though he's a good player. Getting Wideman awaken from his slumber would also do wonders. Chara and Morris on the 1st line D and then Kaberle and Wideman on the 2nd D pair would be awesome.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:You know what, I'm not quite done with this I've decided. The B's should have made the deal that moved Kessel to Toronto for Kaberle. Kaberle would have helped the PP (12 PP this season) and provided the B's with another solid defensemen, you can' t have too many of those. I've been pleasantly suprised with Derrick Morris though he's a good player. Getting Wideman awaken from his slumber would also do wonders. Chara and Morris on the 1st line D and then Kaberle and Wideman on the 2nd D pair would be awesome.
Wake Chara up too. Hasn't been the steadying force that he was last year. And I'd love to see more of Boychuk and less of Hunwick and/or Ference. Boychuk was one of the best D in his short playing stint a couple weeks ago and Hunwick looks completely lost in his own end. I'm sure Boychuk will be playing soon enough when the inevitable Ference injury comes up. I'm still on the fence about the Kabarle deal. Yeah he'd be better than Morris but he has an awfully big cap number for next year ($4.25 AAV...which is still less than Komisarek, HA!), which is huge considering all the U/RFAs on the B's.
Endless Mike {l Wrote}:So if Kessel was such a clubhouse cancer who makes everyone around him suck, when can we expect this team to play well now that his reign of terror is over?
PS- Kessel was on the team last season and they seemed to play pretty well despite his best efforts to crush everyone's spirits.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Kessel was probably the 4th or 5th best player last year depending on how you view Krejci (Chara, Savard, and Thomas being ahead). Hockey is about a lot more than goals.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Kessel was probably the 4th or 5th best player last year depending on how you view Krejci (Chara, Savard, and Thomas being ahead). Hockey is about a lot more than goals.
Really? They count other things in the score? WHO KNEW!
buconvict {l Wrote}:Anyone else see Kessel's first game back the other night? Looked like Pavel Bure. He'll score more goals than anyone on the Bruins, even after a 14 game head start.
I love how I bring no logic to the table just because I disagree with the merrymanisms of forechecking and puck movement. Although I'll admit it's pretty tough to argue with bulletproof logic such as "Marchand and Sobotka will do fine", "Morris, despite being a turnstile, has been awesome at dumping the puck", and my favorite "Kessel was hurt and wouldn't have contributed but Krejci is just playing bad and that's why his HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE start to the season is excused."
The Bruins are fucking terrible. They traded away their best player for draft picks, they can't score, they have no help on the way when they would have had Kessel coming in to help out... they suck and anyone who likes what is going on sucks. The Bruins support just reeks of apathy. I want the Bruins to improve, not regress. But hey, I'm glad you're happy with a second round exit as the franchise's ceiling.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Hasn't been Thomas's fault so far, Rask signing was a good move though.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Do you even watch the Bruins? I live in DC and I bet I somehow see more games. Savard has been out, Lucic has been out, Krecji has swine flu. I think you might want to hold out assessment here until the Bruins have somewhere near a full-team. Take 3 of the top 6 forwards off of an NHL team and see how well they do for an extended period of time. It's not that Kessel dragged anyone down necessarily, people just don't like him in the locker room. Toronto is going to awful with or without him this year.Endless Mike {l Wrote}:So if Kessel was such a clubhouse cancer who makes everyone around him suck, when can we expect this team to play well now that his reign of terror is over?
PS- Kessel was on the team last season and they seemed to play pretty well despite his best efforts to crush everyone's spirits.
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