cvilleagle {l Wrote}:That quote is belied by his earlier "we just need 3 more" comment. Sure he would like to win more, but the level of preparation for the Clemson and Virginia Tech games made 9-0 just impossible. I don't see Notre Dame as being as big a disaster as those two. If he thinks we should be 9-0, maybe he should actually try to win the tech game, and have the offensive line ready for Clemson.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:I don't care what Spaz says the goals are now. The gameplan against Clemson, and his halftime comments, were abhorrent. VTech was horrific, as was the ridiculous notion that we needed to get the whole second unit experience at the end of the first quarter when we were getting whacked. The belly up wins against Wake and FSU were also disgusting. Bowing to ND instead of going for the jugular over and over also made me throw up.
Spaz just happens to be in a nice position right now. He's thrilled. He beat the expectations that the media imposed, and he happily embraced. Everything else from here is gravy and cookies and naps.
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:I don't care what Spaz says the goals are now. The gameplan against Clemson, and his halftime comments, were abhorrent. VTech was horrific, as was the ridiculous notion that we needed to get the whole second unit experience at the end of the first quarter when we were getting whacked. The belly up wins against Wake and FSU were also disgusting. Bowing to ND instead of going for the jugular over and over also made me throw up.
Spaz just happens to be in a nice position right now. He's thrilled. He beat the expectations that the media imposed, and he happily embraced. Everything else from here is gravy and cookies and naps.
Thanks Shelby.
if you sit down and look at the teams we beat and CMU was very good, the road debacles, the way we lost and the in game strategy, Spazzoo is TOB.
He can distance himself from that Puscadore with 3 wins and an ACCCG win.
Make no mistake, BC will be favored all 3.
If Clemson stubs its toe, and Bc loses 1, then wake the echoes, Spaz is TOB.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:I don't care what Spaz says the goals are now. The gameplan against Clemson, and his halftime comments, were abhorrent. VTech was horrific, as was the ridiculous notion that we needed to get the whole second unit experience at the end of the first quarter when we were getting whacked. The belly up wins against Wake and FSU were also disgusting. Bowing to ND instead of going for the jugular over and over also made me throw up.
Spaz just happens to be in a nice position right now. He's thrilled. He beat the expectations that the media imposed, and he happily embraced. Everything else from here is gravy and cookies and naps.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:I don't care what Spaz says the goals are now. The gameplan against Clemson, and his halftime comments, were abhorrent. VTech was horrific, as was the ridiculous notion that we needed to get the whole second unit experience at the end of the first quarter when we were getting whacked. The belly up wins against Wake and FSU were also disgusting. Bowing to ND instead of going for the jugular over and over also made me throw up.
Spaz just happens to be in a nice position right now. He's thrilled. He beat the expectations that the media imposed, and he happily embraced. Everything else from here is gravy and cookies and naps.
just curious, what did you expect our record to be at this point before the season?
billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
we are in exactly the same position at this time this year that we were last year, dick....with much more to overcome, I might add. I'm glad you get caught up in the salesman stuff that jags sold in his press conferences. He sold the same pitch to Gene and he bought it too.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
read the quote to start the thread. Its not Spaz that is setting the goals low...its the jags dick suckers on this board that like to think that Spaz is thinking that way.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:Eagledom {l Wrote}:janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
read the quote to start the thread. Its not Spaz that is setting the goals low...its the jags dick suckers on this board that like to think that Spaz is thinking that way.
The responses to the thread have to do with Spaz saying...NOW...that he's not happy with not winning all the games. He never said that before the season. He was never even angry after the two conference games where we got undressed on national TV. And the countdown to 6 is starting to make even more sense given these comments. Why do you think he's saying it now? It's because we made a freaking bowl. Now he can relax knowing that no matter what we do over the next three, he's "off the hook." It's so obvious the way Spaz thinks.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Eagledom {l Wrote}:janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
read the quote to start the thread. Its not Spaz that is setting the goals low...its the jags dick suckers on this board that like to think that Spaz is thinking that way.
The responses to the thread have to do with Spaz saying...NOW...that he's not happy with not winning all the games. He never said that before the season. He was never even angry after the two conference games where we got undressed on national TV. And the countdown to 6 is starting to make even more sense given these comments. Why do you think he's saying it now? It's because we made a freaking bowl. Now he can relax knowing that no matter what we do over the next three, he's "off the hook." It's so obvious the way Spaz thinks.
if you really think the goal this year was to win 6 games, then I am done with discussing this with you. And I think you forgot last year how we were looking after the UNC and Clemson games. We have actually showed more progression this year than last.And the "countdown to 6" is complete bullshit that you and HJS like to think actually happened.
I am not saying that I think Spaz is great. I am reserving judgement until the end of the season. Unforunately, people like you have preconceived notions of spaz - you hated the hire and will look for anything to condemn him. The fact is, we DID have a shitload to overcome this season. Were the VT and Clemson games complete fuck ups? Yeah. But overall, BC can still have a great season and make the ACC title game. You have already pre-judged the season though, because you bought ito the Jags press conference persona and don't realize the results were not that unbelievable,
Eagledom {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Eagledom {l Wrote}:janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
read the quote to start the thread. Its not Spaz that is setting the goals low...its the jags dick suckers on this board that like to think that Spaz is thinking that way.
The responses to the thread have to do with Spaz saying...NOW...that he's not happy with not winning all the games. He never said that before the season. He was never even angry after the two conference games where we got undressed on national TV. And the countdown to 6 is starting to make even more sense given these comments. Why do you think he's saying it now? It's because we made a freaking bowl. Now he can relax knowing that no matter what we do over the next three, he's "off the hook." It's so obvious the way Spaz thinks.
if you really think the goal this year was to win 6 games, then I am done with discussing this with you. And I think you forgot last year how we were looking after the UNC and Clemson games. We have actually showed more progression this year than last.And the "countdown to 6" is complete bullshit that you and HJS like to think actually happened.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
There are enough legitimate reasons to criticize Spaz but the notion that he has masterfully hoodwinked the media to downgrade his team in order to make himself look good is pure nonsense. Have you forgotten that we started the season without a QB who had completed even 1 pass in a college game? Are you aware that we're missing our three best defensive players from last season? I must've missed the press conference in which Spaz set the goals low. When exactly was that?
I don't agree with everything he's done by a long shot but he doesn't deserve to be criticized because his personality doesn't happen to match that of the guy he succeeded and labeling him a perennial underachiever after less than one season on the job is nonsense pure and simple.
BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
There are enough legitimate reasons to criticize Spaz but the notion that he has masterfully hoodwinked the media to downgrade his team in order to make himself look good is pure nonsense. Have you forgotten that we started the season without a QB who had completed even 1 pass in a college game? Are you aware that we're missing our three best defensive players from last season? I must've missed the press conference in which Spaz set the goals low. When exactly was that?
I don't agree with everything he's done by a long shot but he doesn't deserve to be criticized because his personality doesn't happen to match that of the guy he succeeded and labeling him a perennial underachiever after less than one season on the job is nonsense pure and simple.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
There are enough legitimate reasons to criticize Spaz but the notion that he has masterfully hoodwinked the media to downgrade his team in order to make himself look good is pure nonsense. Have you forgotten that we started the season without a QB who had completed even 1 pass in a college game? Are you aware that we're missing our three best defensive players from last season? I must've missed the press conference in which Spaz set the goals low. When exactly was that?
I don't agree with everything he's done by a long shot but he doesn't deserve to be criticized because his personality doesn't happen to match that of the guy he succeeded and labeling him a perennial underachiever after less than one season on the job is nonsense pure and simple.
Have you forgotten we started last season with a QB whose sole experience was against Buffalo and the occasional mop up duty? There was no difference. And you seem to be trying to misread my post. The media set our goals low. We were picked last. Spaz never made one comment to suggest they weren't right, and he embraced it when we got smashed against Clemson and VTech. Jags faced the same low expectations. He didn't buy it from day one, said as much, and said the same thing during the season. His goal was clearly stated--get back to the ACCCG. I've never heard Spaz say that once.
Eagledom {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Eagledom {l Wrote}:janebc {l Wrote}:I don't want to speak for Billy Shelby, but I know what I fear - the mentality of "WOW! we've won 6 games and we're going to a bowl, even though ESPN predicted we'd have a losing record" mentality that will mean we go into super-conservative, play-not-to-lose mentality in our final 3 games, and that mind set will just about ensure a loss in at least one of them, but it really won't matter because we're going to a bowl.
read the quote to start the thread. Its not Spaz that is setting the goals low...its the jags dick suckers on this board that like to think that Spaz is thinking that way.
The responses to the thread have to do with Spaz saying...NOW...that he's not happy with not winning all the games. He never said that before the season. He was never even angry after the two conference games where we got undressed on national TV. And the countdown to 6 is starting to make even more sense given these comments. Why do you think he's saying it now? It's because we made a freaking bowl. Now he can relax knowing that no matter what we do over the next three, he's "off the hook." It's so obvious the way Spaz thinks.
if you really think the goal this year was to win 6 games, then I am done with discussing this with you. And I think you forgot last year how we were looking after the UNC and Clemson games. We have actually showed more progression this year than last.And the "countdown to 6" is complete bullshit that you and HJS like to think actually happened.
billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:BCLou {l Wrote}:billyshelby {l Wrote}:Like I said, Spaz is thrilled right now. We probably won't make the ACCCG, but our record will be respectable, and he can hold his head high that he led a team that was supposed to be in the basement to a meaningless bowl game. But other coaches I can remember would never have set our goals so low, or tried to conceal smug smiles about what an achievement this year has been. We have underachieved this year any way you slice it. And we have a coach that will ensure we perennially underachieve. If you can't see this based on the evidence, there's nothing I can really say. We are back to TOB and it should be obvious to anyone who lived through it.
You're making no sense at all. If we were supposed to be in the basement then how is it possible that with a shot to reach 9 wins and the ACCCG we've "underachieved this year any way you slice it"?
The MEDIA said we should be in the basement. We were picked low just like last year we were picked low. But last year's coach didn't care. He said publicly we weren't listening to the media or anyone else. This year's coach is very in tune with the media and all too happy to confirm we aren't that good (when it suits him.) And if we slip and fall over the next 3 games he'll be right in front of the parade telling everyone we were climbing the impossible hill but we'll be better next year.
There are enough legitimate reasons to criticize Spaz but the notion that he has masterfully hoodwinked the media to downgrade his team in order to make himself look good is pure nonsense. Have you forgotten that we started the season without a QB who had completed even 1 pass in a college game? Are you aware that we're missing our three best defensive players from last season? I must've missed the press conference in which Spaz set the goals low. When exactly was that?
I don't agree with everything he's done by a long shot but he doesn't deserve to be criticized because his personality doesn't happen to match that of the guy he succeeded and labeling him a perennial underachiever after less than one season on the job is nonsense pure and simple.
Have you forgotten we started last season with a QB whose sole experience was against Buffalo and the occasional mop up duty? There was no difference. And you seem to be trying to misread my post. The media set our goals low. We were picked last. Spaz never made one comment to suggest they weren't right, and he embraced it when we got smashed against Clemson and VTech. Jags faced the same low expectations. He didn't buy it from day one, said as much, and said the same thing during the season. His goal was clearly stated--get back to the ACCCG. I've never heard Spaz say that once.
janebc {l Wrote}:Nobody will think Spaz has had a crap season if he wins the next 3. And nobody thinks Spaz hoodwinked the media; it is simply their gospel truth that BC cannot have a good team and every year when we do, it is, in the media's view, a fluke that will not happen again next year.
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