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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:03 pm

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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — No matter who you ask about the top basketball players in America in the class of 2014, you are almost sure to hear the name Noah Vonleh in the answer.

A 6-foot-8, 220-pound combo forward out of the New Hampton School (NH), Vonleh is a major target of the Providence Friars—as well as many other schools.

“UConn, Providence, BC, Arizona, Indiana, and Ohio State are the schools that talked to me when they were allowed to text,” Vonleh said at NBPA Top 100 Camp.


Also there are rumors Vonleh might reclassify to '13, which would really hurt BC's scholarship situation.


If he is a one and done, it would hurt if he was a '14. This way, it would open up another spot for '14 so they may very well have 3-4 schollies rather than 1-2. There are still local players in New England that in the class of '14 that may decide late....which would really benefit BC
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby MattTheEagle on Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:31 pm

cvilleagle wrote:
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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — No matter who you ask about the top basketball players in America in the class of 2014, you are almost sure to hear the name Noah Vonleh in the answer.

A 6-foot-8, 220-pound combo forward out of the New Hampton School (NH), Vonleh is a major target of the Providence Friars—as well as many other schools.

“UConn, Providence, BC, Arizona, Indiana, and Ohio State are the schools that talked to me when they were allowed to text,” Vonleh said at NBPA Top 100 Camp.


Also there are rumors Vonleh might reclassify to '13, which would really hurt BC's scholarship situation.


Umm, if you can get Noah Vonleh, you give him a scholarship even if it leaves you with zero scholarships for '14.

This.

Also, if he is truly one-and-done it won't hurt scholarships. Regardless we should be pretty strong in both 2013 and 2014 so Vonleh would have a chance to shine on a nationally competitive team if he choses BC.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:06 pm

Shaddix wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — No matter who you ask about the top basketball players in America in the class of 2014, you are almost sure to hear the name Noah Vonleh in the answer.

A 6-foot-8, 220-pound combo forward out of the New Hampton School (NH), Vonleh is a major target of the Providence Friars—as well as many other schools.

“UConn, Providence, BC, Arizona, Indiana, and Ohio State are the schools that talked to me when they were allowed to text,” Vonleh said at NBPA Top 100 Camp.


Also there are rumors Vonleh might reclassify to '13, which would really hurt BC's scholarship situation.


If he is a one and done, it would hurt if he was a '14. This way, it would open up another spot for '14 so they may very well have 3-4 schollies rather than 1-2. There are still local players in New England that in the class of '14 that may decide late....which would really benefit BC


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cvilleagle wrote:
Umm, if you can get Noah Vonleh, you give him a scholarship even if it leaves you with zero scholarships for '14.

This.

Also, if he is truly one-and-done it won't hurt scholarships. Regardless we should be pretty strong in both 2013 and 2014 so Vonleh would have a chance to shine on a nationally competitive team if he choses BC.


I believe the point Shaddix is making is that if Vonleh is a 2014-2015 one-and-done, he'll add to our overload of scholarship slots in 2015, whereas if he's 2013-2014, he won't affect the overall scholarship distribution very much -- and he'll reopen a slot in 2014 for another local blue chip. Of course, Vonleh is still a long shot, but it's already remarkable that we're still on his list, so why not indulge in speculation?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:30 pm

RedBaron67 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
BCEaglesFan wrote:
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — No matter who you ask about the top basketball players in America in the class of 2014, you are almost sure to hear the name Noah Vonleh in the answer.

A 6-foot-8, 220-pound combo forward out of the New Hampton School (NH), Vonleh is a major target of the Providence Friars—as well as many other schools.

“UConn, Providence, BC, Arizona, Indiana, and Ohio State are the schools that talked to me when they were allowed to text,” Vonleh said at NBPA Top 100 Camp.


Also there are rumors Vonleh might reclassify to '13, which would really hurt BC's scholarship situation.


If he is a one and done, it would hurt if he was a '14. This way, it would open up another spot for '14 so they may very well have 3-4 schollies rather than 1-2. There are still local players in New England that in the class of '14 that may decide late....which would really benefit BC


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cvilleagle wrote:
Umm, if you can get Noah Vonleh, you give him a scholarship even if it leaves you with zero scholarships for '14.

This.

Also, if he is truly one-and-done it won't hurt scholarships. Regardless we should be pretty strong in both 2013 and 2014 so Vonleh would have a chance to shine on a nationally competitive team if he choses BC.


I believe the point Shaddix is making is that if Vonleh is a 2014-2015 one-and-done, he'll add to our overload of scholarship slots in 2015, whereas if he's 2013-2014, he won't affect the overall scholarship distribution very much -- and he'll reopen a slot in 2014 for another local blue chip. Of course, Vonleh is still a long shot, but it's already remarkable that we're still on his list, so why not indulge in speculation?


Yea that is a much better way to explain it, thanks.... I was on my way out the door and figured I'd post it but it wasn't sounding right in my head haha
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby claver2010 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:17 am

Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:45 am

claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:58 am

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claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.


I've had no luck finding his stats at new hampton, is he productive at all now or all upside?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:17 am

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claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.


I've had no luck finding his stats at new hampton, is he productive at all now or all upside?


Just watch this and you'll see why he's a program changer.

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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:39 am

eagle9903 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.


I've had no luck finding his stats at new hampton, is he productive at all now or all upside?


Vonleh is already a dominating player (ESPN, Rivals, and Scout all have him the #1 PF in 2014), but the scouts still can't shut up about how much upside he still has; he's still young (turns 17 in July) and his body is still developing, so his potential seems almost unlimited, even though he's already one of the best HS players in the country. He was a 15-year-old sophomore in the class of 2013 when Donahue offered him at first sight in the Haverhill HS gym, so I figured that he'd transfer to a prep school and reclassify to 2014. Now he's apparently thinking about moving back to 2013, and that doesn't make sense to me unless he's thinking about collecting NBA paychecks as soon as possible (like Noel and Drummond, who both reclassified and then moved back). As far as I can see, all the signs point to Vonleh being a one-and-done.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:43 am

eepstein0 wrote:
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eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.


I've had no luck finding his stats at new hampton, is he productive at all now or all upside?


Just watch this and you'll see why he's a program changer.



Thanks for the video, he definitely seems like he adds several element we have nothing close to. I'd be very, very excited if he signed and while I was indifferent to adding Noel to the current group because I didn't think they had enough of a base for a one and done to make a huge difference to offset the potential for negatives I would be thrilled about signing Vonleh even if he was one and done.

I am curious about his production still though, I'd be interested to see if he shows up consistently or if its highlight reel block followed by not doing much of anything for a few minutes. I have no reason to think he's not putting up numbers (he's certainly ranked highly enough), just wondering.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:50 am

RedBaron67 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
claver2010 wrote:Question from the uninformed, does Vonleh really have a chance to be 1 and done? Anyone care to give a quick scouting report? I've seen you guys talking about him a ton, thanks.


Vonleh's game compares to Kevin Durant. He's like 6'8", handles it like a guard and has a good perimeter game. Superior athlete.

I think Vonleh is probably a one year player, he's that good. He'd literally change the face of BC basketball. Put him at forward surrounded by Anderson, Clifford and BC would be absolutely dynamite.


I've had no luck finding his stats at new hampton, is he productive at all now or all upside?


Vonleh is already a dominating player (ESPN, Rivals, and Scout all have him the #1 PF in 2014), but the scouts still can't shut up about how much upside he still has; he's still young (turns 17 in July) and his body is still developing, so his potential seems almost unlimited, even though he's already one of the best HS players in the country. He was a 15-year-old sophomore in the class of 2013 when Donahue offered him at first sight in the Haverhill HS gym, so I figured that he'd transfer to a prep school and reclassify to 2014. Now he's apparently thinking about moving back to 2013, and that doesn't make sense to me unless he's thinking about collecting NBA paychecks as soon as possible (like Noel and Drummond, who both reclassified and then moved back). As far as I can see, all the signs point to Vonleh being a one-and-done.


Thanks for the summary also. I agree with your read on the class switch rumor. I guess my question more specifically is whether he looks more like a Carmelo, Rose (best case) type one and done who will actually come in and fill the stat sheet each game from day one and help or even lead a 2013-14 season tourney run or if he's more of a Thaddeus Young/ Darius Miles type upside only player who hasn't really figured out how to play yet and make use of his freak athleticism, which would still be an absolute recruiting coup based on historical BC results and might have several significant peripheral benefits like opening up a MA prep school pipeline but would probably not equate to a major difference maker in and of himself in his one year.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:34 am

Noah Vonleh for one season with Clifford, Anderson, Jackson and Daniels as juniors (or even seniors) would change BC basketball for the next 10 years. And that doesn't count the guys I haven't seen yet like Hanlon. It's definitely a legit ACC title contender and probably a legit Final Four contender, and would open the door for other big recruits to see BC as a major player in the best basketball conference in America by far.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby branchinator on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:42 am

Vonleh is a dynamic player. I would gladly accept a one-and-done situation with him. That would be the best frontcourt since Williams/Smith/Dudley.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:46 am

Completely agree he'd be a great get even as one and done, does anyone know if he scores lots of points regularly?
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:55 am

eagle9903 wrote:Completely agree he'd be a great get even as one and done, does anyone know if he scores lots of points regularly?


I don't put much stock in comparing HS stats, especially when he basically plays for an all star team, and there is only one ball, and he is a big man. The St. Anthony's teams put 1-2 guys at major D-1 programs every year (the PG for Kansas and the SG for Pitt and one of the guys from Florida last season, for example) and none of them ever fill up stat sheets.

That said, I have no idea what his stats are but I bet they can be had online.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:58 am

twballgame9 wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:Completely agree he'd be a great get even as one and done, does anyone know if he scores lots of points regularly?


I don't put much stock in comparing HS stats, especially when he basically plays for an all star team, and there is only one ball, and he is a big man. The St. Anthony's teams put 1-2 guys at major D-1 programs every year (the PG for Kansas and the SG for Pitt and one of the guys from Florida last season, for example) and none of them ever fill up stat sheets.

That said, I have no idea what his stats are but I bet they can be had online.


I looked for awhile and couldn't find anything. I understand that not having great HS stats is not necessarily damning or even likely to be damning, but I'd certainly be happy to see HS production. I also would guess without knowing, that the real impact one and done players are more likely to be productive HS players than the ones who don't really do that much in their one year of college.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:33 pm

Noah Vonleh Keeping Things Open
With a strong upper body and a nose for the ball, 2014 prospect Noah Vonleh is one of the best rebounders in the country, regardless of class. Vonleh, ranked No. 3 in the class of 2014, is hearing from Boston College, Providence, UCLA, Auburn, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Ohio State, Indiana, Connecticut and North Carolina. He said Indiana, Ohio State, Boston College and Louisville were pursing him the hardest. (CBS Sports)


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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joeyfenn on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:46 pm

Shaddix wrote:
Noah Vonleh Keeping Things Open
With a strong upper body and a nose for the ball, 2014 prospect Noah Vonleh is one of the best rebounders in the country, regardless of class. Vonleh, ranked No. 3 in the class of 2014, is hearing from Boston College, Providence, UCLA, Auburn, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Ohio State, Indiana, Connecticut and North Carolina. He said Indiana, Ohio State, Boston College and Louisville were pursing him the hardest. (CBS Sports)


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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:43 am

The Mass Rivals AAU team (which includes Vonleh, Kaleb Joseph, Matt Cimino, etc. ) are heading to BC tomorrow to play pickup with the team. This is the 2nd time in 2 weeks the have visited.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:13 pm

Football landed a commitment from Danny Monteroso today..... curious as to if he has any plans about playing basketball here too.

Monteroso had been named the Midwest High School Player of the Week by ESPN.com after he guided St. C. to its first regional by averaging 30 points a game in three tournament games.


For the season, Monteroso is averaging 26 points, nine rebounds and 4.5 assists a game. He's scored 1,661 points and is quickly closing in the school record for career points, which has stood since 1958.


An article said he was visiting Tennessee and VT earlier int he summer, didn't specify whether it was for a football camp or a basketball visit
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:13 pm

Even though Vonleh mentions different schools each time he talks, BC is in it every time. Here's a recent video of him at Elite 75:

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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby joesim on Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:09 pm

Shaddix wrote:Football landed a commitment from Danny Monteroso today..... curious as to if he has any plans about playing basketball here too.

Monteroso had been named the Midwest High School Player of the Week by ESPN.com after he guided St. C. to its first regional by averaging 30 points a game in three tournament games.


For the season, Monteroso is averaging 26 points, nine rebounds and 4.5 assists a game. He's scored 1,661 points and is quickly closing in the school record for career points, which has stood since 1958.


An article said he was visiting Tennessee and VT earlier int he summer, didn't specify whether it was for a football camp or a basketball visit


He's not very highly rated
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Shaddix on Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:14 am

joesim wrote:
Shaddix wrote:Football landed a commitment from Danny Monteroso today..... curious as to if he has any plans about playing basketball here too.

Monteroso had been named the Midwest High School Player of the Week by ESPN.com after he guided St. C. to its first regional by averaging 30 points a game in three tournament games.


For the season, Monteroso is averaging 26 points, nine rebounds and 4.5 assists a game. He's scored 1,661 points and is quickly closing in the school record for career points, which has stood since 1958.


An article said he was visiting Tennessee and VT earlier int he summer, didn't specify whether it was for a football camp or a basketball visit


He's not very highly rated
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... -monteroso


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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:04 am

Monteroso's YouTube highlight video from his sophomore year isn't bad: lefty, good form on his 3-point shot, finishes well and dunks the ball easily (41 inch vertical according to his Rivals football scouting report). Monteroso is probably more of a mid-major than a high-major prospect in basketball, but he'd certainly be useful for bench depth and practice if he's looking for something to do after football season is over.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby eepstein0 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:08 am

In the most recent NERR interviews, the first school Kaleb Joseph mentioned was BC. Vonleh mentioned he talked to Calipari recently and then mentioned UNC, BC and Louisville. Jared Terrell often mentions BC quite often.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby Hunta518 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:15 am

eepstein0 wrote:In the most recent NERR interviews, the first school Kaleb Joseph mentioned was BC. Vonleh mentioned he talked to Calipari recently and then mentioned UNC, BC and Louisville. Jared Terrell often mentions BC quite often.


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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby gaelfu on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:52 pm

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... ties-agent

Interesting local tidbit here. The greaseball who ran the New England Playaz has been effectively blacklisted by the NCAA. I had always thought BC had a very poor relationship with recruits from his team as the dislike between the two was both strong and mutual.

I don't think this will improve our chances with any of our top targets, but it has to be good long term for local recruiting. Good riddance.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby BCEaglesFan on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:59 pm

gaelfu wrote:http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8133241/4-summer-league-teams-banned-ncaa-ties-agent

Interesting local tidbit here. The greaseball who ran the New England Playaz has been effectively blacklisted by the NCAA. I had always thought BC had a very poor relationship with recruits from his team as the dislike between the two was both strong and mutual.

I don't think this will improve our chances with any of our top targets, but it has to be good long term for local recruiting. Good riddance.

You're absolutely right. He wanted money, BC didn't pay it.
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Re: Commits/Recruiting

Postby RedBaron67 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:09 pm

gaelfu wrote:http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8133241/4-summer-league-teams-banned-ncaa-ties-agent

Interesting local tidbit here. The greaseball who ran the New England Playaz has been effectively blacklisted by the NCAA. I had always thought BC had a very poor relationship with recruits from his team as the dislike between the two was both strong and mutual.

I don't think this will improve our chances with any of our top targets, but it has to be good long term for local recruiting. Good riddance.


It's encouraging to see the NCAA trying to eliminate the worst excesses of the recruiting system. I agree entirely that cleaning up AAU team operations can only be good For BC.
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