Commits/Recruiting

[eagle9903]

All 6 freshmen last year were good to great additions to the program. Anderson, Clifford, Jackson and Daniels could all be special. Heckmann and Caudill have potential to develop into solid contributors (but have a bit to go). Hanlan seems like a nice addition. Rahon seems more of a flier, but one that serves a vital role in Don's offense.

When I look at that group, I think it has a screaming need at forward (both 3 and 4). I see literally no use Dragicevich. Tebbutt plugs a huge hole on the roster. As for Gill, I am suspect of his talent level given the lack of interest. That said, he might not be a terrible signing if nothing more than spreading out the ships. Dragicevich seems as a waste as (a) we already have FOUR guys on the roster who can play 2 and (b) Dragicevich would become like the 8th person in the class of 2015. Donahue's Sweet Sixteen team had 8 or 9 seniors. That bothers me.

If BC wants to bring in Bryce Cotton or Dylan Ennis... fine. They are at least ballhandlers who could score (we only have 2 on the roster).
If BC wants to bring in an athletic wing like Jarelle Reischel or Jordan Tebbutt... fantastic as that is a massive position of need.
If BC wants to bring in Tony Gill... I guess it's better than nothing. But, he doesn't do much other than provide a body to fill that need (meaning that we better be addressing that position by the Fall of 2012).
If BC wants to bring in a stand still SG who jacks-up 3s, is a defensive liability and counts as the umpteenth member of the Class of 2015... well, then the BCWOFW rumor of Don underestimating the importance of recruiting will have considerable merit.

I can see value to Dragicevich (if he is as he is being projected here, which is based on a) 99.4% on him being white b)the one game eepstein watched in which he was focusing on a reserve shooting guard the entire time for some reason c) HJS not liking Gene and d) the fact he wasn't consistently starting at ND [the legit one] if it is in place of Odio. Based on nothing except similar size, same class and the fact that Odio didn't really seem to be a guy close to developing I could see this being the case. But again based on nothing real.

I posted below, TOS is saying Tebbutt is probably not happening. That blows. I look forward to the rest of this post being ignored.

Gill could be exactly what this team needs. Might not ever be an impact guy, but some depth at the 4 and 5 is a major plus. I've said this before but he doesn't have to be *** ******* he can be Tyrelle Blair, that would be helpful.

2 ballhandlers on the roster assumes Rahon can't play PG even though he played such in high school. White thing again? Or is it from you experts watching youtube videos?

As to the BCWOFW (BCwest AKA the poster HJS likes to stand behind when he wants to be taken seriously) rumor of Don underestimating the importance of recruiting will have considerable merit. It's as wrongly worded now as it was when made. The absolute only grain of sense in that idea is that he should hire a Joe Jones like recruiter again, but the best players on the current roster were primarily recruited by Nate Graham and Donahue himself as opposed to Jones. I certainly wouldn't turn an ace recruiter away. Maybe your boy Gene is being tight with the purse strings.

I'm calling bullshit on the third to last sentence. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Best I can do is this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/bostoncollege/basketball/recruiting/player-Ryan-Anderson-97150;_ylt=AtqEm.c4rmmw2CekTtnEc2.brJB4

[eagle9903]

HJS, TOS is saying that they are looking at this kid http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64321&SPID=7099&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=1567442&Q_SEASON=2011

He went to your high school.

Warning: Eppy HATES this kid already.

He averaged 10/game before losing minutes to a transfer, could play right away, would be the only scholarship senior so doesn't screw up the balance. I doubt he's a major impact guy, but you could look at him as a taller replacement Cahill.

[cvilleagle]

HJS, TOS is saying that they are looking at this kid http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64321&SPID=7099&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=1567442&Q_SEASON=2011

He went to your high school.

Warning: Eppy HATES this kid already.

Looks to me like he can shoot and not much else.

[HJS]

HJS, TOS is saying that they are looking at this kid http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64321&SPID=7099&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=1567442&Q_SEASON=2011

He went to your high school.

Warning: Eppy HATES this kid already.

He averaged 10/game before losing minutes to a transfer, could play right away, would be the only scholarship senior so doesn't screw up the balance. I doubt he's a major impact guy, but you could look at him as a taller replacement Cahill.

I got nothing on him. I could ask around. Would much prefer to see Danny Rubin getting whatever minutes this kid would see.

He seems the perfect transfer for Cornell. That bothers me.

[eagle9903]

HJS, TOS is saying that they are looking at this kid http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64321&SPID=7099&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=1567442&Q_SEASON=2011

He went to your high school.

Warning: Eppy HATES this kid already.

Looks to me like he can shoot and not much else.

I just walked by a mirror, and I was like holy shit I never realized I had a sick jumper. It was awesome. I hope Cornell still has room for me.

[HJS]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

[Nate2651]

I like Coach D and think he's such a good X's and O's guy that he will get the job done in 2 years. That being said, if this thing fails I think his fatal mistake was backfilling Joe Jones w Woody. Big miscalulation IMO

[eagle9903]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

[eepstein0]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

Smyth's fine for one year but not beyond that. We already have that player, twice.

[eagle9903]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

Smyth's fine for one year but not beyond that. We already have that player, twice.

Well that works out because his eligibility would be done already if not for a medical redshirt.

[eepstein0]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Just have to wait and see how this class shakes out. If they landed both Rice transfers this is a success. If they land Smyth and Gill it's a disaster.

9903 comparing Gill to Tyrelle Blair is hysterical. Gill's vertical leap is about the same as KC Caudill's. Good try though.

[eagle9903]

Just have to wait and see how this class shakes out. If they landed both Rice transfers this is a success. If they land Smyth and Gill it's a disaster.

9903 comparing Gill to Tyrelle Blair is hysterical. Gill's vertical leap is about the same as KC Caudill's. Good try though.

I have some news that may shock you. Tony Gill is actually not white (his parents names are Kulwant & Surjit). This complicates your analysis significantly!

[eagle9903]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

[eepstein0]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

There's a 5 minute video kicking around. Someone posted it to EO.

[HJS]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

If you haven't seen him play or even seen a video of him how in the effing world can you write "Gill could be a good addition." [TIMESTAMPED: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm]

[HJS]

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

Is this a serious question? We are page 126 discussing scores of players that Hoffses or EagleFan posts us having high interest in. We've landed Hanlan and Rahon... everyone else they missed out on. Do you consider Tebbutt a primary target? Or, now that we missed out on him, question whether he was someone we really wanted?

[eagle9903]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

If you haven't seen him play or even seen a video of him how in the effing world can you write "Gill could be a good addition." [TIMESTAMPED: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm]

Seriously? because I said "could" and he's 6'9 225. This was in response to your and Eppy's completely baseless conclusion that he "is" a bad addition.

[eagle9903]

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

Is this a serious question? We are page 126 discussing scores of players that Hoffses or EagleFan posts us having high interest in. We've landed Hanlan and Rahon... everyone else they missed out on. Do you consider Tebbutt a primary target? Or, now that we missed out on him, question whether he was someone we really wanted?

Yes it is, because you are the least credible poster on the board. Therefore, I generally am interested in knowing what you (not all others) consider a loss. You try and frame arguments poorly. To you, if it is convenient, Nerlins Noel is a "loss," even though he a) chose to get paid at Kentucky and b) never had one iota of interest in playing at a school like BC.

You will respond to this that I am accepting that we are what we are, which is completely and utterly inaccurate.

[HJS]

What are hoops experts like TWood saying on EA? Is he as head-over-heels in love with recruiting since Joe Jones left?

[eagle9903]

What are hoops experts like TWood saying on EA? Is he as head-over-heels in love with recruiting since Joe Jones left?

Did you get his post "PM'd" to you already?

[eagle9903]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

There's a 5 minute video kicking around. Someone posted it to EO.

That was 5 minutes I'll never get back. http://vimeo.com/37719315

He takes and hits one shot at around the 2 minute mark. The video is essentially 5 minutes of the opposing team hitting jump shots from the perimeter. It shows a very minimal amount of big men doing anything. He gets beat once around 4 by a driving guard.

[eepstein0]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

If you haven't seen him play or even seen a video of him how in the effing world can you write "Gill could be a good addition." [TIMESTAMPED: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm]

Seriously? because I said "could" and he's 6'9 225. This was in response to your and Eppy's completely baseless conclusion that he "is" a bad addition.

What does it tell you if not a single Pac-12 or WCC team is interested and he plays JUCO ball in California?

[RedBaron67]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

To list only the most obvious players whom BC was unquestionably targeting:

Ryan Arcidiacono
Zach Auguste
Sherron Dorsey-Walker
Jake Layman
Kaleb Tarczewski

This list could be greatly expanded with many players (e.g., Kris Dunn) whom BC was certainly interested in but with whom they didn't even get to first base. Hanlan and Rahon were both a long way down BC's recruiting priority list. If this isn't weak recruiting, I'd like to know how you define it.

[eagle9903]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

To list only the most obvious players whom BC was unquestionably targeting:

Ryan Arcidiacono
Zach Auguste
Sherron Dorsey-Walker
Jake Layman
Kaleb Tarczewski

This list could be greatly expanded with many players (e.g., Kris Dunn) whom BC was certainly interested in but with whom they didn't even get to first base. Hanlan and Rahon were both a long way down BC's recruiting priority list. If this isn't weak recruiting, I'd like to know how you define it.

I agree with your list of potential recruits BC was unquestionably targeting who were realistic based on the last 20+ years of BC recruiting (Tarczewski is pushing it). I'd probably add Niang and Tebbutt. My issue is people who conflate Anthony January, Nerlins Noel, Kris Dunn and Ledo into that list. I like that the team makes an attempt to go after big time players we have not historically had success with. I don't think it should then be turned around as, "well even though BC has never gotten a player of Kris Dunn's on paper quality, missing him equates to recruiting weakness."

As to where the signees fell on the priority list, can you tell me where last year's class that the sane posters on here were happy about fell on BC's relative recruiting priority list, or any Skinner class other than 2007? I'd also suggest that Hanlan is clearly below Arcidiacono on the priority list, but who else? No one realistic, I guess you could say Dunn and Ledo, again I'd say you were pushing it. With that said, I say saying Hanlan is a long way down BC's recruiting priority list is bullshit.

[eagle9903]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

If you haven't seen him play or even seen a video of him how in the effing world can you write "Gill could be a good addition." [TIMESTAMPED: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm]

Seriously? because I said "could" and he's 6'9 225. This was in response to your and Eppy's completely baseless conclusion that he "is" a bad addition.

What does it tell you if not a single Pac-12 or WCC team is interested and he plays JUCO ball in California?

Same thing it told me when Jared Dudley got no PAC-12 or WCC or (long beach state type) offers as a high school player in California. Something, but not enough to conclusively say he's a bad addition.

[Shaddix]

also eppy, i'm calling you out (again) where did you see him play? I can't find any video anywhere. Help me out here.

If you haven't seen him play or even seen a video of him how in the effing world can you write "Gill could be a good addition." [TIMESTAMPED: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm]

Seriously? because I said "could" and he's 6'9 225. This was in response to your and Eppy's completely baseless conclusion that he "is" a bad addition.

What does it tell you if not a single Pac-12 or WCC team is interested and he plays JUCO ball in California?

Don't be an idiot. Pierre Jackson played JUCO ball in IDAHO and is the leading scorer at Baylor. IDAHO! His other offer was from Creighton.

Also, Gill and Jackson both averaged 18 ppg in their last year at their respective community colleges

[BCEaglesFan]

Apparenlty Smith isn't that bad...I mean, he did average double figure points before Momo Jones, who is a great player, transferred in. He also made 8 3's in a game.

But they need Ennis or Reischel.

[HJS]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

To list only the most obvious players whom BC was unquestionably targeting:

Ryan Arcidiacono
Zach Auguste
Sherron Dorsey-Walker
Jake Layman
Kaleb Tarczewski

This list could be greatly expanded with many players (e.g., Kris Dunn) whom BC was certainly interested in but with whom they didn't even get to first base. Hanlan and Rahon were both a long way down BC's recruiting priority list. If this isn't weak recruiting, I'd like to know how you define it.

I went back and read through this thread since May 2011. Most of what I read was for the first time (as I didn’t start following this thread until Early Signing Day). I find it interesting that there was a TON of skepticism over Don’s ability to recruit sans Joe Jones. I don’t think the ultimate results have pacified these concerns.

Nonetheless, looking over a few sources, here are guys our staff supposedly made plays for: Malik Morgan, Ryan Arcidiacono, Kaleb Tarczewski, Jake Layman, Zach Auguste, Kris Dunn, Brian Bermadi, James Robinson, Torian Graham, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, Kale Abrahamson, Mike Gesell, Allen Huddleston, Devon Walker, Devin Thomas, Daniel Dingle, Kamari Murphy, Steve Vasturia, Buddy Hield, Alex Caruso, Langston Morris-Walker, Chris Bolden, Blaise Mbargorba, Javontae Hawkins, Terry Henderson, Travis Hammond, Michael Orris, Mike LaTulip, Jelon Hornbeak, Ben Carter, Chris Reyes, Joseph McDonald, Georges Niang, JaCorey Williams, Madison Jones, Ryan Taylor, William Howard and Jordan Tebbutt,

This does not include the following, who have (at one point or another) been players we expressed some interest in (though may have dropped out early or never offered): Charles Mann, Ricky Ledo, Nerlens Noel, Johnny Woodard, Jordan Chatman, Terrell Rogers, Charles Cooke, Katin Reinhardt Barnett Harris, Adam Woodbury, Jerome Hairston, Ian Baker, Marc-Eddy Noriela, Darren Payen, Nizar Kapic, Amedeo Della Valle, Jerron Wilbut, Ryan Oliver, Torian Graham, Stephen Croone, Clyde Smith, Matt Shrigley, Brandon Pargo, Tony Gill, Joe Bramanti and Anthony January.

While going through the threads, here are some players we have already offered for future classes. I figured I'd begin this list for the eventuality when we miss out on each and 9903 gets to pretend we didn't show interest...
Class of 2013: Castro, Jaylen Brantley, Brannen Greene; Nick Gorski, Tyler Ennis, Stephen Domingo, Nick Madray, Conner Frankamp, Travis Jorgenson, Matt Thomas, Davon Reed, Maurice Taylor, Goodluck Okonoboh, Alec Wintering, Nolan Berry, Anthony Dallier, Peter Miller, Marcus Lee, Andrew Chrabascz, Jeremiah Worthem, Jalen Norman, Rj Curington, Reggie Cameron and Anton Wilson
Class of 2014: Jared Terrell, Noah Vonleh, Wayne Selden, Jacquil Taylor, Luke Fischer, Kahari Beaufort, Johnnie Vassar, Ja'Quan Newton', Kaleb Joseph and Neumann Goretti

[eagle9903]

Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

To list only the most obvious players whom BC was unquestionably targeting:

Ryan Arcidiacono
Zach Auguste
Sherron Dorsey-Walker
Jake Layman
Kaleb Tarczewski

This list could be greatly expanded with many players (e.g., Kris Dunn) whom BC was certainly interested in but with whom they didn't even get to first base. Hanlan and Rahon were both a long way down BC's recruiting priority list. If this isn't weak recruiting, I'd like to know how you define it.

I went back and read through this thread since May 2011. Most of what I read was for the first time (as I didn’t start following this thread until Early Signing Day). I find it interesting that there was a TON of skepticism over Don’s ability to recruit sans Joe Jones. I don’t think the ultimate results have pacified these concerns.

Nonetheless, looking over a few sources, here are guys our staff supposedly made plays for: Malik Morgan, Ryan Arcidiacono, Kaleb Tarczewski, Jake Layman, Zach Auguste, Kris Dunn, Brian Bermadi, James Robinson, Torian Graham, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, Kale Abrahamson, Mike Gesell, Allen Huddleston, Devon Walker, Devin Thomas, Daniel Dingle, Kamari Murphy, Steve Vasturia, Buddy Hield, Alex Caruso, Langston Morris-Walker, Chris Bolden, Blaise Mbargorba, Javontae Hawkins, Terry Henderson, Travis Hammond, Michael Orris, Mike LaTulip, Jelon Hornbeak, Ben Carter, Chris Reyes, Joseph McDonald, Georges Niang, JaCorey Williams, Madison Jones, Ryan Taylor, William Howard and Jordan Tebbutt,

This does not include the following, who have (at one point or another) been players we expressed some interest in (though may have dropped out early or never offered): Charles Mann, Ricky Ledo, Nerlens Noel, Johnny Woodard, Jordan Chatman, Terrell Rogers, Charles Cooke, Katin Reinhardt Barnett Harris, Adam Woodbury, Jerome Hairston, Ian Baker, Marc-Eddy Noriela, Darren Payen, Nizar Kapic, Amedeo Della Valle, Jerron Wilbut, Ryan Oliver, Torian Graham, Stephen Croone, Clyde Smith, Matt Shrigley, Brandon Pargo, Tony Gill, Joe Bramanti and Anthony January.

While going through the threads, here are some players we have already offered for future classes. I figured I'd begin this list for the eventuality when we miss out on each and 9903 gets to pretend we didn't show interest...
Class of 2013: Castro, Jaylen Brantley, Brannen Greene; Nick Gorski, Tyler Ennis, Stephen Domingo, Nick Madray, Conner Frankamp, Travis Jorgenson, Matt Thomas, Davon Reed, Maurice Taylor, Goodluck Okonoboh, Alec Wintering, Nolan Berry, Anthony Dallier, Peter Miller, Marcus Lee, Andrew Chrabascz, Jeremiah Worthem, Jalen Norman, Rj Curington, Reggie Cameron and Anton Wilson
Class of 2014: Jared Terrell, Noah Vonleh, Wayne Selden, Jacquil Taylor, Luke Fischer, Kahari Beaufort, Johnnie Vassar, Ja'Quan Newton', Kaleb Joseph and Neumann Goretti

Nuemann Goretti is a high school.

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Tebbutt represented the last great hope that this class would be solid and compliment that of last year's. If TOS is correct and BC ain't happening (after it ain't happening with a ton of other last minute Hail Mary recruits like Taylor), then this class disappoints.

That said, Ennis and Reischel would go a very long way to healing everyone's concerns.

Smyth apparently isn't just a possibility, but has become a huge priority for the staff. Essentially, we will be substituting Hump for Smyth. That is a terrible trade in my opinion.

In all honesty... I get the impression that the staff is flailing around a bit. They seem to be desperately grabbing at anyone who could play the level of the Ivies and up. They haven't been particularly successful in their efforts to land any of their primary targets. Now, they are focusing on players who will do little more than serve as practice players and towel waivers. That bothers me.

Here's the thing, unless you are somehow footing the bill for the scholarships, Smyth is the definition of low risk. He will be gone by March 2013. That shouldn't effect anything one way or another. If he was even going to have 2 years of eligibility I'd be worried about this, but if its sign him or have empty scholarships it's fine by me.

Can you do me a favor and list who the primary targets were that were lost, so I know who you're talking about. I don't like just assuming something to be true because its repeated frequently on message boards. I know there are some. I just want to clarify who we "lost" and who we actually lost.

To list only the most obvious players whom BC was unquestionably targeting:

Ryan Arcidiacono
Zach Auguste
Sherron Dorsey-Walker
Jake Layman
Kaleb Tarczewski

This list could be greatly expanded with many players (e.g., Kris Dunn) whom BC was certainly interested in but with whom they didn't even get to first base. Hanlan and Rahon were both a long way down BC's recruiting priority list. If this isn't weak recruiting, I'd like to know how you define it.

I went back and read through this thread since May 2011. Most of what I read was for the first time (as I didn’t start following this thread until Early Signing Day). I find it interesting that there was a TON of skepticism over Don’s ability to recruit sans Joe Jones. I don’t think the ultimate results have pacified these concerns.

Nonetheless, looking over a few sources, here are guys our staff supposedly made plays for: Malik Morgan, Ryan Arcidiacono, Kaleb Tarczewski, Jake Layman, Zach Auguste, Kris Dunn, Brian Bermadi, James Robinson, Torian Graham, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, Kale Abrahamson, Mike Gesell, Allen Huddleston, Devon Walker, Devin Thomas, Daniel Dingle, Kamari Murphy, Steve Vasturia, Buddy Hield, Alex Caruso, Langston Morris-Walker, Chris Bolden, Blaise Mbargorba, Javontae Hawkins, Terry Henderson, Travis Hammond, Michael Orris, Mike LaTulip, Jelon Hornbeak, Ben Carter, Chris Reyes, Joseph McDonald, Georges Niang, JaCorey Williams, Madison Jones, Ryan Taylor, William Howard and Jordan Tebbutt,

This does not include the following, who have (at one point or another) been players we expressed some interest in (though may have dropped out early or never offered): Charles Mann, Ricky Ledo, Nerlens Noel, Johnny Woodard, Jordan Chatman, Terrell Rogers, Charles Cooke, Katin Reinhardt Barnett Harris, Adam Woodbury, Jerome Hairston, Ian Baker, Marc-Eddy Noriela, Darren Payen, Nizar Kapic, Amedeo Della Valle, Jerron Wilbut, Ryan Oliver, Torian Graham, Stephen Croone, Clyde Smith, Matt Shrigley, Brandon Pargo, Tony Gill, Joe Bramanti and Anthony January.

While going through the threads, here are some players we have already offered for future classes. I figured I'd begin this list for the eventuality when we miss out on each and 9903 gets to pretend we didn't show interest...
Class of 2013: Castro, Jaylen Brantley, Brannen Greene; Nick Gorski, Tyler Ennis, Stephen Domingo, Nick Madray, Conner Frankamp, Travis Jorgenson, Matt Thomas, Davon Reed, Maurice Taylor, Goodluck Okonoboh, Alec Wintering, Nolan Berry, Anthony Dallier, Peter Miller, Marcus Lee, Andrew Chrabascz, Jeremiah Worthem, Jalen Norman, Rj Curington, Reggie Cameron and Anton Wilson
Class of 2014: Jared Terrell, Noah Vonleh, Wayne Selden, Jacquil Taylor, Luke Fischer, Kahari Beaufort, Johnnie Vassar, Ja'Quan Newton', Kaleb Joseph and Neumann Goretti

You literally took every name that any poster has mentioned in this thread. Nice work. To nitpick you have Torian Graham in two categories and you have Tony Gill in the not offered category with potential walkon Joe Bramanti.

Out of your list of lost players I don't really recognize the following names, I'm not saying they're not in this thread just that I think considering them losses is high idiocy: Brian Bermadi, James Robinson, Kale Abrahamson, Mike Gesell, Allen Huddleston, Devon Walker, Kamari Murphy, Buddy Hield, Alex Caruso, Javontae Hawkins, Terry Henderson, Travis Hammond, Michael Orris, Mike LaTulip, Jelon Hornbeak, Ben Carter, Joseph McDonald, JaCorey Williams and Madison Jones.