Commits/Recruiting

[twballgame9]

Can someone clarify for me why the comparison to the JOB elite eight team to right now is apt? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just not really following and it could be because I was in middle school during the Curley era.

Aren't arguably the two best players on the current team a Power Forward(who is our most consistent scorer) and a Center (as opposed to the JOB team where the best players pre-Abrams were a PG and a C)? I'm assuming David Hinton III was a shitty power forward on the 1992(or 93) team who was replaced by Abrams resulting in vast improvement? Is the idea for the comparison that Anderson would be better suited as a SF and you guys want a bigger PF who would be the Abrams for this class?

If that's all it is then wouldn't the idea be more simple stated that we need another go-to type player anywhere on the court?

No, this team clearly needs another forward. And the comparison is to the fact that BC seems to have hit on 4 guys in this class, have a guard coming in that should be an instant impact guy, and what is missing is a power forward that can bang. Just like the 94 class, if it didn't have Hanlon and Rahon coming in.

The idea is that Anderson is a SF. It would be a power 4 replacing Humphreys next year or moving him to the 6th man this year.

Personally, I think there is more potential with Daniels, Jackson, Anderson and Clifford than there was with Eisley, Abrams, Huckaby and Curley, especially when you add Hanlon to the mix and maybe Rahon as a spot up shooter off the bench, but that's just me. Regardless, what was missing in each scenario was the banger.

[ATLeagle]

We are ahead of the Curley team all things considered. And Donahue is a much better coach and game manager than JOB. The question is how will these guys mature and what other talent will be added.

[claver2010]

Regardless, what was missing in each scenario was the banger.

For me in true , this.

An athletic 4 who can primarily rebound and will be a force low on the defensive end.

I think we all expect Clifford to put up some weight but at 7' he should've simply fallen into more rebounds than he did.

I think moving Anderson to the 3 would be lethal with his inside/outside game.

[eagle9903]

Can someone clarify for me why the comparison to the JOB elite eight team to right now is apt? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just not really following and it could be because I was in middle school during the Curley era.

Aren't arguably the two best players on the current team a Power Forward(who is our most consistent scorer) and a Center (as opposed to the JOB team where the best players pre-Abrams were a PG and a C)? I'm assuming David Hinton III was a shitty power forward on the 1992(or 93) team who was replaced by Abrams resulting in vast improvement? Is the idea for the comparison that Anderson would be better suited as a SF and you guys want a bigger PF who would be the Abrams for this class?

If that's all it is then wouldn't the idea be more simple stated that we need another go-to type player anywhere on the court?

No, this team clearly needs another forward. And the comparison is to the fact that BC seems to have hit on 4 guys in this class, have a guard coming in that should be an instant impact guy, and what is missing is a power forward that can bang. Just like the 94 class, if it didn't have Hanlon and Rahon coming in.

The idea is that Anderson is a SF. It would be a power 4 replacing Humphreys next year or moving him to the 6th man this year.

Personally, I think there is more potential with Daniels, Jackson, Anderson and Clifford than there was with Eisley, Abrams, Huckaby and Curley, especially when you add Hanlon to the mix and maybe Rahon as a spot up shooter off the bench, but that's just me. Regardless, what was missing in each scenario was the banger.

Gotcha, I certainly think that adding a banger at the 4 would be one way to improve this team. I think comparing a Donahue coached 2012 ACC team and a JOB coached early 90s bigeast team has some issues even though they are both BC, but I get the overriding idea.

I think there are a lot of ways this team could improve to where it needs to be, the 4 does deem the most clear cut need, but as ATL said a lot of it depends on maturity and development. Clifford being strong enough or learning how to rebound would go a long way to allowing the current group minus a new 4 to play at a much higher level.

[HJS]

Can someone clarify for me why the comparison to the JOB elite eight team to right now is apt? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just not really following and it could be because I was in middle school during the Curley era.

Aren't arguably the two best players on the current team a Power Forward(who is our most consistent scorer) and a Center (as opposed to the JOB team where the best players pre-Abrams were a PG and a C)? I'm assuming David Hinton III was a shitty power forward on the 1992(or 93) team who was replaced by Abrams resulting in vast improvement? Is the idea for the comparison that Anderson would be better suited as a SF and you guys want a bigger PF who would be the Abrams for this class?

If that's all it is then wouldn't the idea be more simple stated that we need another go-to type player anywhere on the court?

No, this team clearly needs another forward. And the comparison is to the fact that BC seems to have hit on 4 guys in this class, have a guard coming in that should be an instant impact guy, and what is missing is a power forward that can bang. Just like the 94 class, if it didn't have Hanlon and Rahon coming in.

The idea is that Anderson is a SF. It would be a power 4 replacing Humphreys next year or moving him to the 6th man this year.

Personally, I think there is more potential with Daniels, Jackson, Anderson and Clifford than there was with Eisley, Abrams, Huckaby and Curley, especially when you add Hanlon to the mix and maybe Rahon as a spot up shooter off the bench, but that's just me. Regardless, what was missing in each scenario was the banger.

Gotcha, I certainly think that adding a banger at the 4 would be one way to improve this team. I think comparing a Donahue coached 2012 ACC team and a JOB coached early 90s bigeast team has some issues even though they are both BC, but I get the overriding idea.

I think there are a lot of ways this team could improve to where it needs to be, the 4 does deem the most clear cut need, but as ATL said a lot of it depends on maturity and development. Clifford being strong enough or learning how to rebound would go a long way to allowing the current group minus a new 4 to play at a much higher level.

While a defending/rebounding 4 is one clear way this team can improve, I think it can also improve with a quality 3 (especially one in a do-everything-Jared Dudley role). Anderson is good/versatile enough to play 3 or 4. I'd like to see them land a quality banger or a quality 3 now and land the other next year. I think it necessary for this team to reach whatever we hope for it in the next 3 years. Unfortunately, it sounds like we are in a Tebbutt or bust situation right now. If we go bust, next year's class will probably help determine how great the Anderson/Clifford class will be.

[twballgame9]

Can someone clarify for me why the comparison to the JOB elite eight team to right now is apt? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just not really following and it could be because I was in middle school during the Curley era.

Aren't arguably the two best players on the current team a Power Forward(who is our most consistent scorer) and a Center (as opposed to the JOB team where the best players pre-Abrams were a PG and a C)? I'm assuming David Hinton III was a shitty power forward on the 1992(or 93) team who was replaced by Abrams resulting in vast improvement? Is the idea for the comparison that Anderson would be better suited as a SF and you guys want a bigger PF who would be the Abrams for this class?

If that's all it is then wouldn't the idea be more simple stated that we need another go-to type player anywhere on the court?

No, this team clearly needs another forward. And the comparison is to the fact that BC seems to have hit on 4 guys in this class, have a guard coming in that should be an instant impact guy, and what is missing is a power forward that can bang. Just like the 94 class, if it didn't have Hanlon and Rahon coming in.

The idea is that Anderson is a SF. It would be a power 4 replacing Humphreys next year or moving him to the 6th man this year.

Personally, I think there is more potential with Daniels, Jackson, Anderson and Clifford than there was with Eisley, Abrams, Huckaby and Curley, especially when you add Hanlon to the mix and maybe Rahon as a spot up shooter off the bench, but that's just me. Regardless, what was missing in each scenario was the banger.

Gotcha, I certainly think that adding a banger at the 4 would be one way to improve this team. I think comparing a Donahue coached 2012 ACC team and a JOB coached early 90s bigeast team has some issues even though they are both BC, but I get the overriding idea.

I think there are a lot of ways this team could improve to where it needs to be, the 4 does deem the most clear cut need, but as ATL said a lot of it depends on maturity and development. Clifford being strong enough or learning how to rebound would go a long way to allowing the current group minus a new 4 to play at a much higher level.

While a defending/rebounding 4 is one clear way this team can improve, I think it can also improve with a quality 3 (especially one in a do-everything-Jared Dudley role). Anderson is good/versatile enough to play 3 or 4. I'd like to see them land a quality banger or a quality 3 now and land the other next year. I think it necessary for this team to reach whatever we hope for it in the next 3 years. Unfortunately, it sounds like we are in a Tebbutt or bust situation right now. If we go bust, next year's class will probably help determine how great the Anderson/Clifford class will be.

I second this. I distinctly left Heckmann off of the list because he didn't show me much (and I know he had injury issues). I don't think he is the type of 3 we need. I think we could be good if Ryan Anderson had a twin - that type of 3 would be fine to add with Anderson at 4. Otherwise, I prefer to see Anderson at the 3 and pick up a banger.

All of that said, that's not really the Don's style. He is far more likely to try to find another shooter at any of the positions than he is to target a traditional 4. His motion offense keys off of a versatile passing 5 (like clifford) and 4 perimeter players that can put it on the deck and shoot. I suspect that any PF you see will be more like Clifford and Anderson in game than a banger like we are wishing for. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, it will make the offense better, but it won't address the concern head on.

Frankly, the ideal situation in a different scheme would be to get a center like SW or that kid at Louisville and move Clifford to the 4 and Anderson to the 3. But those guys are hard to find, and don't fit this system.

[BCEaglesFan]

Update Offer List
2012:
G Olivier Hanlan-Commit
G Joe Rahon-Commit
G Amedeo Della Valle
G Torian Graham
G Jerron Wilbut
G Anton Wilson
F Varyan Moody
F Ryan Taylor
G Kris Dunn-Providence
G Ryan Arcidiacono-Villanova
F Jake Layman-Maryland
G Buddy Hield-Oklahoma
G Sherron Dorsey-Walker-Iowa State
F JaCorey Williams-Arkansas
G Terry Henderson-West Virginia
F Chris Reyes-St. Mary's
G/F Jordan Tebbutt (maybe?)
2013:
G Matt Thomas
C Kennedy Meeks
F Luke Fischer-Indiana
G Elliot Pitts
G Tyler Ennis
G Daryl Hicks
F Marcus Lee
G Davon Reed
F Kris Jenkins
2014:
G Wayne Selden
F Jared Terrell
F Rashad Vaughn
G Kaleb Joseph
F Noah Vonleh
G Ja'Quan Newton
2015:
F Jeremy Miller

Tell me if I missed anybody.

[HJS]

First, I don't care about future offers as none of them are committing anytime soon and those offers are incredibly fluid (although you did not mention Vonieh).
Second, based on your list, for 2012 it all comes down to Taylor, Moody and Tebbutt. No one seems to think we have much of a chance at any of them... which is very disappointing. It should be noted that others have mentioned interest from some sort of Juco California kid named Tony Gill. But, I know nothing about him.

[BCEaglesFan]

First, I don't care about future offers as none of them are committing anytime soon and those offers are incredibly fluid (although you did not mention Vonieh).
Second, based on your list, for 2012 it all comes down to Taylor, Moody and Tebbutt. No one seems to think we have much of a chance at any of them... which is very disappointing. It should be noted that others have mentioned interest from some sort of Juco California kid named Tony Gill. But, I know nothing about him.

I did mention Vonleh. Look under 2014.

I don't know if they've offered Gill yet.

[twballgame9]

Gill is intriguing from what I can see, which is not much. He scored and rebounded (I think somewhere around 17/8) and has good size. His team was mediocre, but it looks like at least two of the teams in his league were nationally ranked JUCOs, so the competition is probably decent. All of that said, I ascertained all of that from a Google search and have not seen any video, so who knows.

[BCEaglesFan]

Gill is intriguing from what I can see, which is not much. He scored and rebounded (I think somewhere around 17/8) and has good size. His team was mediocre, but it looks like at least two of the teams in his league were nationally ranked JUCOs, so the competition is probably decent. All of that said, I ascertained all of that from a Google search and have not seen any video, so who knows.

I know he was supposed to visit BC but there was a problem with his flight, so they are rescheduling.

Anyone know BC's chances with him?

But by the way, before Oriakhi and Smotrycz announced their lists, Eric Hoffses told me that there was a 90% chance that BC lands a transfer or 2012 recruit. I wonder what that percentage is now.

[Shaddix]

Gill is intriguing from what I can see, which is not much. He scored and rebounded (I think somewhere around 17/8) and has good size. His team was mediocre, but it looks like at least two of the teams in his league were nationally ranked JUCOs, so the competition is probably decent. All of that said, I ascertained all of that from a Google search and have not seen any video, so who knows.

Some JUCO teams are pretty underrated as well. They can play some ball. Tony Gill would be a welcome addition and would join Moton and Rubin's class.

[Brablc]

Gill is intriguing from what I can see, which is not much. He scored and rebounded (I think somewhere around 17/8) and has good size. His team was mediocre, but it looks like at least two of the teams in his league were nationally ranked JUCOs, so the competition is probably decent. All of that said, I ascertained all of that from a Google search and have not seen any video, so who knows.

Some JUCO teams are pretty underrated as well. They can play some ball. Tony Gill would be a welcome addition and would join Moton and Rubin's class.

Here's what I can find on him. Looks like he went 18 and 10 last year while shooting 37% from 3.

http://vimeo.com/37719315 (He's #32. The video that shows him take one shot. Although he doesn't look all that athletic and is beat a few times.)

http://www.calcentral.com/~computehands ... 011112.htm

I'll leave Donahue to evaluate but would probably rather have one of the recruits if we can get them.

[BCEaglesFan]

Gill is intriguing from what I can see, which is not much. He scored and rebounded (I think somewhere around 17/8) and has good size. His team was mediocre, but it looks like at least two of the teams in his league were nationally ranked JUCOs, so the competition is probably decent. All of that said, I ascertained all of that from a Google search and have not seen any video, so who knows.

Some JUCO teams are pretty underrated as well. They can play some ball. Tony Gill would be a welcome addition and would join Moton and Rubin's class.

Here's what I can find on him. Looks like he went 18 and 10 last year while shooting 37% from 3.

http://vimeo.com/37719315 (He's #32. The video that shows him take one shot. Although he doesn't look all that athletic and is beat a few times.)

http://www.calcentral.com/~computehands ... 011112.htm

I'll leave Donahue to evaluate but would probably rather have one of the recruits if we can get them.

I talked to an AAU Coach who knew him in HS. He said he scores most of his points on pick-and-pops and at the free throw line.

BC hasn't offered him according to his rivals page: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... 6900/print

Here's another article: http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/ ... &tid=&mid=

If someone with rivals can post the article that be nice.

I know he was going to visit BC though but there was a problem with his flight.

[eepstein0]

Gill's offer list isn't exactly a who's who of college basketball.

[joeyfenn]

Gill's offer list isn't exactly a who's who of college basketball.

Yeah i wasn't really wowed either. I'm sick of fillers. I want some players

[HJS]

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

[RedBaron67]

Gill's offer list isn't exactly a who's who of college basketball.

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

All of this just illustrates (again) that recruiting is the critical issue with Donahue; a high-major coach who can't recruit can't compete, regardless of his other abilities. I figure that Donahue has until 2014 to demonstrate he can compete in the ACC, otherwise he's gone.

[BCEaglesFan]

Gill's offer list isn't exactly a who's who of college basketball.

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

All of this just illustrates (again) that recruiting is the critical issue with Donahue; a high-major coach who can't recruit can't compete, regardless of his other abilities. I figure that Donahue has until 2014 to demonstrate he can compete in the ACC, otherwise he's gone.

Let's not get into the ACC caliber argument too.

[eepstein0]

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

Taylor is not coming here.

Tebbutt is taking an official.

[eagle9903]

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

Step 1: realize something unlikely is probably not going to happen (signing of Taylor or Tebbutt);
Step 2: loudly prosthelytize the occurrence of such event as the only way a given Boston College team can improve to an acceptable level (basketball);
Step 3: repeat insistence several times, making sure to remove any inconvenient more probable alternatives (e.g. Tony Gill);
Step 4: act appalled when unlikely event does not occur;
Step 5: make another notch in internet campaign agenda accomplished belt;
Step 6:
Step 7: Profit.

[pick6pedro]

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

Step 1: realize something unlikely is probably not going to happen (signing of Taylor or Tebbutt);
Step 2: loudly prosthelytize the occurrence of such event as the only way a given Boston College team can improve to an acceptable level (basketball);
Step 3: repeat insistence several times, making sure to remove any inconvenient more probable alternatives (e.g. Tony Gill);
Step 4: act appalled when unlikely event does not occur;
Step 5: make another notch in internet campaign agenda accomplished belt;
Step 6:
Step 7: Profit.

[Nate2651]

Sounds to me that Ryan Taylor or Jordan Tebbutt are the only ones who fit the bill of a kid coming in and supplementing the Anderson/Clifford frontline. As I stated previously, it doesn't sound like many think we have a shot for either.

Taylor is not coming here.

Tebbutt is taking an official.

Per Hoff ---Tebbutt took his official 2 weeks ago. Taylor =not coming to BC

[Shaddix]

Gerard Coleman is transferring out of Providence per Jeff Goodman. From West Roxbury, went to Tilton and was targeting by BC. Get him.

[BCEaglesFan]

Gerard Coleman is transferring out of Providence per Jeff Goodman. From West Roxbury, went to Tilton and was targeting by BC. Get him.

Go to the outgoing transfers thread. We're talking about him.

[Shaddix]

Derrick Gordon decommitted from WKU today. He would be a great addition to the 2012 class.

[joeyfenn]

WIth Humphrey gone we will have another schollie

[BCEaglesFan]

Derrick Gordon decommitted from WKU today. He would be a great addition to the 2012 class.

Well he said he wanted to transfer closer to his home in New Jersey. Is BC close enough?

[Shaddix]

Derrick Gordon decommitted from WKU today. He would be a great addition to the 2012 class.

Well he said he wanted to transfer closer to his home in New Jersey. Is BC close enough?

BC is like 3 times closer to NJ than Kentucky is. BC also has a ton of kids from NJ on the football team.

Gordon would be excellent for Donahue, he's got all the intangibles. His range extends to the 3 point line and he can create his own shot.

[HJS]

Derrick Gordon decommitted from WKU today. He would be a great addition to the 2012 class.

Well he said he wanted to transfer closer to his home in New Jersey. Is BC close enough?

BC is like 3 times closer to NJ than Kentucky is. BC also has a ton of kids from NJ on the football team.

Gordon would be excellent for Donahue, he's got all the intangibles. His range extends to the 3 point line and he can create his own shot.

I assume he's going to RU (which is closer to Jersey than BC).
He also is going to have to sit out.
He is also a PG.
I have no problem with BC taking him. But, given everyone's opinion that Hanlan is the second-coming and knowing that Daniels is already competent, I don't think this would be a make-or-break transfer.