To the condemners of basketball recruiting...

[bignick33]

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

I believe they were UVM people (constantly talked about the UVM game)

Maybe the age demographic is a key point for me, since I'm around that "post-college age"

Hmm. I don't know of any reason for a UVM fan to dislike BC for athletic reasons.

It could just be coincidence, but all of my friends whom I grew up and their fathers/brothers/etc with are either neutral or positive towards BC sports, but then again none of my closest friends went to UMass (and the one that went to BU now hates BU for non-athletic reasons). That's a big part of why I've come to that opinion.

[bignick33]

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

I believe they were UVM people (constantly talked about the UVM game)

Maybe the age demographic is a key point for me, since I'm around that "post-college age"

aren't UVM people a bunch of filthy hippies? Or is this an incorrect assumption?

Many of them are, but you'd be surprised by how much they like their basketball and hockey teams. When I was in CT a few weeks ago and attended the America East semifinal in West Hartford (admittedly, a strange thing for me to do), I'd say there were upwards of a thousand UVM fans that made the trip down I-91. And, their hockey games often sell out. They also have a minor league baseball team that plays on campus (or did as of about five years ago). It's a weird place.

[MilitantEagle]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

[bignick33]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

That's not a very good way to treat your customer.

[MilitantEagle]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

That's not a very good way to treat your customer.

Agreed. And the bar back with his diamond stud earring said, "nobody cares about BC." I don't think I will be going back to JM Curley's anytime soon.

[bignick33]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

That's not a very good way to treat your customer.

Agreed. And the bar back with his diamond stud earring said, "nobody cares about BC." I don't think I will be going back to JM Curley's anytime soon.

If James Michael Curley had gone to college, it almost certainly would have been to BC.

I've heard that place has good burgers.

[claver2010]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

Good man.

[eagle9903]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

Good man.

My favorite part is the other patrons either couldn't think of making a similar bribe to get the tourney back on, or more likely, didn't have twenty dollars.

[bignick33]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

Good man.

My favorite part is the other patrons either couldn't think of making a similar bribe to get the tourney back on, or more likely, didn't have twenty dollars.

Remember that he was dealing with drunken Massholes who were very likely wearing green beads.

[DavidGordonsFoot]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they talking about BC when you got there or only after they saw you in your jacket?

I love when people like this go on ad-nauseum about how irrelevant BC is. Yeah, so irrelevant that you've made BC the focus of your lunchtime conversation.

The worst I have overheard in a bar-like setting is some guys ripping ALJ for switching to BC after Shannon got canned. It sounded like they were (loosely) connected to Brockton HS football, so they had a stake in his decision, I suppose?

[bignick33]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

I was out Saturday night for St. Patrick's Day and wanted to watch the BC-Maine game. The bar I was at only had two TVs and of course they were showing the NCAAB tourney (Iowa St.-Kentucky). I asked the male bartender to change it to the BC hockey game and he basically laughed in my face as did the people sitting at the bar. He said he wouldn't change it. A couple of minutes later, I called over to the female bartender and offered her $20 to put on the BC game. She obliged and everybody was forced to watch the BC-Maine hockey game instead of the basketball tourney. I was pleased.

Good man.

My favorite part is the other patrons either couldn't think of making a similar bribe to get the tourney back on, or more likely, didn't have twenty dollars.

Remember that he was dealing with drunken Massholes who were very likely wearing green beads.

This pretty much sums up what downtown Boston was like on Saturday:

[claver2010]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they talking about BC when you got there or only after they saw you in your jacket?

I love when people like this go on ad-nauseum about how irrelevant BC is. Yeah, so irrelevant that you've made BC the focus of your lunchtime conversation.

The worst I have overheard in a bar-like setting is some guys ripping ALJ for switching to BC after Shannon got canned. It sounded like they were (loosely) connected to Brockton HS football, so they had a stake in his decision, I suppose?

I assume it wasn't before I got there as they started talking about it about an hour in.

I'll CONFIRM BigNick's comment, Saturday downtown was a fucking zoo.

[twballgame9]

Heckmann could be a valuable player on a team with a good point guard to create offense. His shooting would be more valuable and hopefully he would be more likely to play within himself instead of trying to do more than he is able, which resulted in way too many turnovers. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a better career at BC than either Jackson or Daniels.

I don't think there is anything on the planet that would shock me more than Heckmann having a better career at BC than Daniels or Jackson. In fact, I don't think he plays much next year, and may not make it all 4. No idea how long the Don will put up with his poor shot selection and lazy ass passes, both things that the player himself can easily fix.

[twballgame9]

I can see how reasonable minds can differ on Donahue's recruiting thus far. He has a few hits... a few mehs... and a few misses. No one in the incoming class is elite and he completely ignored the need for another big. Under Don, BC has been as woefully unsuccessful in mining local talent as Skinner (who was crucified for it). His first class was atrocious... which was made worse by missing out/running off kids Skinner landed that could be helping us now.

Here is a run-down of his recruits and my 2-cent evaluation:
Ryan Anderson - ACC starter
Dennis Clifford - ACC starter
Lonnie Jackson - ACC role player
Jordan Daniels - ACC role player
KC Caudill - ACC bench player
Patrick Heckmann - ACC bench player
Edio Odio - mid-major
Gabe Moton - mid-major

I see 2 excellent ACC recruits, 2 average ACC recruits, 2 projects and 2 misses. At best, Rohan and Hanlan fall into the "average ACC recruit" at this point (see BC finishing dead last in the recruiting rankings). Ideally, you would have seen Don build significantly upon last year's class with at least one elite player who we could slot into the rotation. That has been disappointing.

Agreed with everything besides Heckmann. Heckmann will be an ACC starter. He had mental/turnover issues, but his back pain really set him back in development.

I hate everything about Heckmann's game. Thinks he's a street ball player and has 0 street ball skills. Someone needs to teach him how to play actual basketball.

You hate a 6'5 slasher with the ability to shoot, hit free throws and distribute the ball while driving?

Nope, wouldn't hate that. What I hate is a slasher that can't shoot or dribble, and makes lazy hot dog passes all the time while playing zero defense.

[twballgame9]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

The BC hatred is the most overstated thing in Boston. I see plenty of people with BC gear that aren't BC people and have known plenty of BC people that maintain season tickets for BC football despite no affiliation with the school. I have rarely encountered true BC hatred except when talking hockey, and that is because BC has peers in hockey that hate them for being good all the time.

[bignick33]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

The BC hatred is the most overstated thing in Boston. I see plenty of people with BC gear that aren't BC people and have known plenty of BC people that maintain season tickets for BC football despite no affiliation with the school. I have rarely encountered true BC hatred except when talking hockey, and that is because BC has peers in hockey that hate them for being good all the time.

I obviously meant to say "BU" instead of "BC" in the first parenthetical example, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Many if not most attendees at BC football and basketball games are not alums.

[Bender]

Touching on a bunch of things in this thread:

The bartender who didn't want to put on the BC-Maine game may have thought the issue had more to do with the overall popularity of the Hockey East tourney vs. the NCAA basketball tourney.

I loved JOB when he coached BC, I thought he was a good man and he was just hitting his stride when all that drama went down. As far as his troubles at Ohio St. I think giving a kid 10 grand would only be a drop in the bucket at a lot of these big time schools.

With BC hatred, I see a lot of it and it seems to have lots of motivations (i.e. rival school alum or general hatred of college sports which BC represents, some people even do it because their feelings about the school itself having nothing to do with sports.)

[eagle9903]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

[bignick33]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

[eagle9903]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

hmm, good point.

[bignick33]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

hmm, good point.

Come to think of it, it's probably word usage like that (I'm as guilty as anyone) that got EO blocked at Claver's company. Either that or the nudity.

[eagle9903]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

hmm, good point.

Come to think of it, it's probably word usage like that (I'm as guilty as anyone) that got EO blocked at Claver's company. Either that or the nudity.

yeah, probably.

[bignick33]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

hmm, good point.

Come to think of it, it's probably word usage like that (I'm as guilty as anyone) that got EO blocked at Claver's company. Either that or the nudity.

yeah, probably.

Back to the topic at hand, would it be a stretch to say that Kemba would have made our football team somewhat better (assuming Spaz hadn't already kicked him off the team) last year? He's no Rich Gunnell, but he could have helped us secure an additional win or two, no?

[MilitantEagle]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

The BC hatred is the most overstated thing in Boston. I see plenty of people with BC gear that aren't BC people and have known plenty of BC people that maintain season tickets for BC football despite no affiliation with the school. I have rarely encountered true BC hatred except when talking hockey, and that is because BC has peers in hockey that hate them for being good all the time.

The BC hatred may be overstated, but the apathy is not. All you have to do is look at Alumni Stadium and Conte Forum on gameday.

[twballgame9]

The other afternoon, I was having a beer at a bar in the financial district while watching the NCAA Tourney. I was wearing a BC polo because I was heading to the Garden for the BC/PC game later in the afternoon. A middle-aged suit who was drinking a glass of white wine at the bar asked me if I was a BC grad, then followed to comment to be "BC never should have fired O'Brien." Assuming that the comment was derived from recent Metro articles but not wanting to get too defensive, I somewhat flippantly replied "well, it's looking more and more like given the state of the program...it's too bad that the guy who followed him couldn't get along with the asshole AD as he had assembled a hell of a staff and was more successful in his two years than O'Brien ever was" or something along those lines. The suit replied "No, I was talking about Jimmy...they never should have canned him", to which I replied especially not wanting to bark down that tree, "that was before my time, but I do remember the upsets over UNC and Indiana."

Speaking of locals. Like you, was out on Friday for the afternoon games by the Garden grabbing drinks & food. I had my BC jacket on and grabbed a couple of seats by the bar. The group next to me (I'd say about 30 years old) proceeded to spend an hour just ripping BC everything from our travel rep to our irrelevancy, etc. I was tuning him out and we've talked about this before but why the fuck does everyone have a stick up their ass about BC around here?

Were they BU people? I'm actually of the belief that with the exception of people who are connected to a rival (BC, UMass, UConn, perhaps Holy Cross, etc), the perceived hatred of BC on the Boston area is overstated. At the risk of sounding creepy, whenever I'm at a place where there are a lot of kids/teenagers like a mall or a movie theater, I'm shocked by the number that are rocking BC gear. I think most of the animosity towards BC comes from people of a post-college age who have a specific reason to hate or be jealous of BC. Also, while I'm not doubting your example because I've experienced the same thing, I also feel that some BC fans are over-sensitive to this type of thing and tend to overreact when they hear this type of banter.

The BC hatred is the most overstated thing in Boston. I see plenty of people with BC gear that aren't BC people and have known plenty of BC people that maintain season tickets for BC football despite no affiliation with the school. I have rarely encountered true BC hatred except when talking hockey, and that is because BC has peers in hockey that hate them for being good all the time.

The BC hatred may be overstated, but the apathy is not. All you have to do is look at Alumni Stadium and Conte Forum on gameday.

BC's teams are generally terrible and/or boring. Play better.

[claver2010]

This amazed me, a poster on TOS said if Kemba Walker was added to this years BC team they wouldn't have been .500.

I'm pretty sure he was serious.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I just sit back and say what the fuck is wrong with you people.

Basketball or Football team?

hmm, good point.

Come to think of it, it's probably word usage like that (I'm as guilty as anyone) that got EO blocked at Claver's company. Either that or the nudity.

They blocked a decent amount of other sports forums (of course not EA & EI -ridiculous)

[claver2010]

Seeing the starting lineups reminded me of something I've harped on for a while, I'm shocked BC hasn't had any success/made any efforts grabbing NYC/NJ players. A ton of catholic schools, proximity, shit ton of talent, seems to make too much sense

[RedBaron67]

Seeing the starting lineups reminded me of something I've harped on for a while, I'm shocked BC hasn't had any success/made any efforts grabbing NYC/NJ players. A ton of catholic schools, proximity, shit ton of talent, seems to make too much sense

This topic has come up before. The NY/NJ talent pool is no secret; schools from all over the country recruit there, and the kids are generally willing to travel. It's easy for BC to get lost in the recruiting stampede, especially without exposure in the New York TV market since moving to the ACC.