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Re: Penn State

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:26 pm

These poor, helpless students who had no choice but to go to a university requiring internships have a RIGHT to graduate. There is no recourse for the slave like dropping out or transferring credits. This institution must be abolished and by Zeus, my calcium-depleted bones will not rest until I topple this evil empire!
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Re: Penn State

Postby Reverend Mike on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:29 pm

campion wrote:Would Dred Scott have to pay out of state tuition if he matriculated at the University of Wisconsin? What if his master took him back to Missouri. Could he attend Mizzou on instate tuition?

Mizzou is in the sec now. No more minorities allowed.
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Re: Penn State

Postby MilitantEagle on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:37 pm

I'm trying to understand why people not only read IB's posts, but respond to his posts as well. I don't get it.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:37 pm

bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:40 pm

MilitantEagle wrote:I'm trying to understand why people not only read IB's posts, but respond to his posts as well. I don't get it.


You do get it. I'm irresistible. That is the only reason why they keep asking me questions.
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Re: Penn State

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:44 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:44 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


so a college diploma is an inalienable right. gotcha


no tre. it isn't.

but the school hasn't the right to demand you volunteer your time working anywhere for free, in order to graduate it
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Re: Penn State

Postby Endless Mike on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:44 pm

This thread is about the rape of minors. Please keep the discussions on the enslavement of minors on its own thread. The enslavement of minors for the express purpose of rape should be on a third, new thread.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:45 pm

pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?


happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me. :)

best decision I could make at the time.
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Re: Penn State

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:47 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?


happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me. :)

best decision I could make at the time.


So there was no force then? You graduated without serving as a coffee wench, right?
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:01 pm

pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?


happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me. :)

best decision I could make at the time.


So there was no force then? You graduated without serving as a coffee wench, right?


that's correct, i never had to do any internships.

now, the first school that I attended did have internships (the bulk of which were unpaid) but that was only for the liberal arts majors, mostly those who wanted to work in CJ, Journalism, etc, especially photography. it wasn't that way for Comp Sci (I don't know of ANY engineering on Comp Sci students who would ever have worked for free), but I would have had to do a Co-Op. At the time, the Comp Sci Co-Ops only paid about $11-$13/hour, maybe a smidgen more, but that was still pretty good "kid" money for upstate New York in the late 1980s.

I think those unpaid internships are mostly just for theater, journalism, English majors, maybe business administration, economics, etc. You aren't going to see that with the techies, so to speak. I guess I can understand why so many of you here vehemently defend the irrationality of the unpaid internship, too many of you had to do them at BC, probably figure that since you had to do them, so does everyone else.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:10 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are

is your real name nick burns?


no.

and great, i'm glad you didn't have to intern
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Re: Penn State

Postby hansen on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:19 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are

is your real name nick burns?

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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:24 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are

is your real name nick burns?


no.

and great, i'm glad you didn't have to intern


i didn't say i didn't intern... i said i didn't hold a position of an unpaid intern.


great, even better

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:your claim was that there was disagreement from the masses because they must have held unpaid internships at one point in their lives and i was simply pointing out that, as usual, you were wrong


i'm glad you were paid. you should have been paid. that is right and just
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Re: Penn State

Postby hansen on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:30 pm

hansen wrote:
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are

is your real name nick burns?

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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:32 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:i don't know about right and just but it was the opportunity afforded to me


excellent

i'm of the opinion that it should be afforded to everyone who is required to do work
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Re: Penn State

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:14 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
bignick33 wrote:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?


Yeah.

Do you know what involuntary servitude is?


If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.


Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.


So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?


happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me. :)

best decision I could make at the time.


So there was no force then? You graduated without serving as a coffee wench, right?


that's correct, i never had to do any internships.

now, the first school that I attended did have internships (the bulk of which were unpaid) but that was only for the liberal arts majors, mostly those who wanted to work in CJ, Journalism, etc, especially photography. it wasn't that way for Comp Sci (I don't know of ANY engineering on Comp Sci students who would ever have worked for free), but I would have had to do a Co-Op. At the time, the Comp Sci Co-Ops only paid about $11-$13/hour, maybe a smidgen more, but that was still pretty good "kid" money for upstate New York in the late 1980s.

I think those unpaid internships are mostly just for theater, journalism, English majors, maybe business administration, economics, etc. You aren't going to see that with the techies, so to speak. I guess I can understand why so many of you here vehemently defend the irrationality of the unpaid internship, too many of you had to do them at BC, probably figure that since you had to do them, so does everyone else.


Another swing and a miss - I've never done an unpaid internship either and never plan to. Most people are vehemently letting you know they aren't slavery nor illegal, not necessarily defending the practice. Some people are defending the practice, but it's only when done under the right circumstances - certainly not for fetching coffee and picking the underwears out of your crack. So once again, you're pretty much off on all accounts.

Unlike you, most people don't broadly generalize and constantly makes words synonymous with words they are not even close to synonymous with. Eh, at least this has taken my mind off of real life for a bit. You wanna split a Sandusky Sundae?
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Re: Penn State

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:29 pm

There is a thread on TOS that maybe McQueary as a kid was taking it from Sandusky and/or JoePa.
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Re: Penn State

Postby ryrob on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:37 pm

Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my :slapfight somewhat on topic.
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Re: Penn State

Postby eagle9903 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:41 pm

ryrob wrote:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my :slapfight somewhat on topic.


If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.
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Re: Penn State

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:48 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
ryrob wrote:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my :slapfight somewhat on topic.


If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.



At least that :slapfight originated in this thread. The IB intern theory :slapfight came from a MA's thread.
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:52 pm

IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.
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Re: Penn State

Postby pick6pedro on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:57 pm

DomingoOrtiz wrote:
eagle9903 wrote:
ryrob wrote:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my :slapfight somewhat on topic.


If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.



At least that :slapfight originated in this thread. The IB intern theory :slapfight came from a MA's thread.


That's all me. I'd be sorry if it wasn't so entertaining. It's not like this thread had anything interesting in it. :?
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:00 pm

Has Regal flipped out today? Because that is always fun.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:02 pm

twballgame9 wrote:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.


I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.

I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:06 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.


I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.

I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.


Move to Europe. Until then, STFU.

And the Supreme Court has thus far been smart enough to think your theory is retarded. In fact, I bet more than one of them did an unpaid internship at some point. Some are old enough to have been young lawyers when apprenticeships were in vogue, the early 1800s.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:44 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.


I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.

I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.


Move to Europe. Until then, STFU.

And the Supreme Court has thus far been smart enough to think your theory is retarded. In fact, I bet more than one of them did an unpaid internship at some point. Some are old enough to have been young lawyers when apprenticeships were in vogue, the early 1800s.


A lot of stuff (legal and a-okay with the Constitution and the Supreme Court) was in vogue, in the early 1800s.

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I don't really care if all nine of them did unpaid internships. I don't believe that it's Constitutional, and under no circumstances, will anyone in my family have such low self-esteem as to be doing them.
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Re: Penn State

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:48 pm

Megan's take on Penn State....

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/the-inexplicable-events-at-penn-state/248287/

Megan wrote:Like everyone else around here, I'm trying to wrap my brain around exactly what happened at Penn State. Until yesterday, I had been somewhat vague on exactly what the graduate student saw; naturally, I'd assumed it was considerably more ambiguous than the grade jury report suggests. How do you walk in on someone clearly having anal sex with a 10-year old, and then walk out again?

(I apologize for the graphic description, but a surprising number of people, as I was, seem to be a bit confused about what the graduate student actually saw. The answer turns out to be "almost the worst thing you can imagine".)

Actually, I can forgive the walking out. No, really, I can. I can imagine myself walking in on a scene so horrible that I couldn't quite believe that it was actually happening. I can imagine it taking me as long as five minutes to convince myself that no, really, it actually happened, and either walk back in there and do the right thing, or fetch someone else who would do it with me.


I don't think I would have walked out. I think I probably would have been arrested for doing bodily harm to Sandusky. Of course, you never really know what you are physically capable of until you are put in the situation.
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Re: Penn State

Postby ryrob on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:50 pm

eagle9903 wrote:
ryrob wrote:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my :slapfight somewhat on topic.


If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.


Your legal :slapfight with child pornography boy is fine, and hugely entertaining. Not sure how this internship nonsense came into play again, mainly because I don't want to wade through 3 pages of INNOCENTBYSTANDERPOSTS.
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:02 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.


I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.

I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.


Move to Europe. Until then, STFU.

And the Supreme Court has thus far been smart enough to think your theory is retarded. In fact, I bet more than one of them did an unpaid internship at some point. Some are old enough to have been young lawyers when apprenticeships were in vogue, the early 1800s.


A lot of stuff (legal and a-okay with the Constitution and the Supreme Court) was in vogue, in the early 1800s.

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I don't really care if all nine of them did unpaid internships. I don't believe that it's Constitutional, and under no circumstances, will anyone in my family have such low self-esteem as to be doing them.


Well, at least you finally admitted that your retardedness is an opinion.
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