Penn State

[bignick33]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

i think there will be a lot of private individuals who will be sued

it appears that too many people knew exactly what Sandusky was. they knew at the ice cream parlour

You could possibly make out a 1983 suit against the AD, and certainly against Sandusky himself. Hell, you could sue Sandusky straight-up.

NOTE: I don't actually know the law that well for these things.

they should just sue white men

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/penn-state-riots-about-white-men-not-liking-be-held-accountable

If, like me, you scanned the crowds rioting at Penn State last night after the announcement of the firing of Joe Paterno, you may have noticed that nearly all the people there were white men. The riots were about white men not liking to be held accountable.

As a native Pennsylvanian, I never once considered attending Penn State University. Penn State always seemed like a place full of cliquish white people recalling their glory years of making fun of the dorky kids in high school. More progressive white people and people of color went to big city state schools like Pitt or Temple while whiter, more conservative types tended to dominate the settings of the rural, fraternity-heavy Penn State campus.....

....Old, conservative white men around the state revered the football coach who stayed on well past his prime into his eighties. Paterno stayed on when others told him he was wrong not to change his old ways, well after his coaching seemed ineffective and his team’s record suffered. Paterno’s perseverance in the face of his deficiencies was a beacon of hope for many white men in Pennsylvania who felt their power challenged by liberals and people of color seeking to change their ways.

That's why I paid attention to the crowd rioting on television at Penn State last night. The firing of Joe Paterno upset the natural order that white men like Joe Paterno could rule not based on merit -- as Paterno’s coaching deficiencies showed -- but because white men always had.

Mike is way off. Paterno is Itrallian, not white.

[cvilleagle]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

What's the deal with PSU being sovereign (I read something about them being exempt from FOIA). Also, PA funds the university irregardless, and I doubt they'll let their flagship flounder.

Well, if PSU doesn't have sovereign immunity, then Pennsylvania will certainly foot the bill, but if the university is a state agency and is not liable, then you're stuck suing individuals and Pennsylvania isn't going to foot the bill for Sandusky or the AD, or even JoePa at this point.

[bignick33]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

What's the deal with PSU being sovereign (I read something about them being exempt from FOIA). Also, PA funds the university irregardless, and I doubt they'll let their flagship flounder.

Well, if PSU doesn't have sovereign immunity, then Pennsylvania will certainly foot the bill, but if the university is a state agency and is not liable, then you're stuck suing individuals and Pennsylvania isn't going to foot the bill for Sandusky or the AD, or even JoePa at this point.

You and 9903 team up to chase the ambulances. You both seem very knowledgeable on the topic.

[Onyx Blackman]

How long before the victims are hiring Betardo, Wiki Esq., for their class-action suit against the ice cream parlor? "Your honor, bananas? Nuts? Come on. That can't be a coincidence. And ice cream scoops? Next to a cone? Was this an ice cream parlor or some sort of sex cauldron?"

[pick6pedro]

Add this...

20 year old film student walks into the Film School department office: "It says here I have to complete an intership for credit. I can't find one that pays. What should I do?"

Secretary says: "Let me call the department head." a minute passes "She'll see you now."

20 year old film student: "I can find an unpaid internship, but I need money if I am going to work. So I am not willing to do that. What can I take for classes instead of this internship."

Department Head: "Hmmmm. I think we have a little problem here. You see, when you applied to this college at this university 3 years ago, you agreed to the sylabus. So if you ever want to actually graduate, you are compelled to do an intership."

20 year old film student: "But they wont pay me anything, and I have to pay YOU for my time on the intership."

Department Head: "That is your problem."

Although not technically a "slave" the student doesn't have leverage here. He or she already screwed up royal when he or she picked the wrong major, not they are boxed in. At this point, the student SHOULD seek legal council and sue the crap out of the school. But, the kid is only 20 and doesn't know any better.

20 year old film student : "I am sick and tired of fetching everyone coffee. Why do I have to do this?"

Assistant Director: "Look kid, this is the way it works. I had to do it. You can quit, but then I'll call your school and you'll get no intern credit. I'll take mine black with sugar this time."

This is called, no self-respect. It is also criminal on behalf of the film studio. I call that kid a slave, you can call him or her anything you want.

Nothing says personal responsibility like suing an institution because YOU made a mistake and don't like it a couple years later!

That is basically, the OWS protest/movement. We have a whole bunch of kids who made terrible mistakes and (a couple years later) want someone else to make them whole. Or we have grown-ups who turned their houses into ATMs (another stupid mistake) and now that they are upside down and can't refinance out of their ever increasing interest rate, they want someone else to make them whole.

In sum:

You are FOR bailing out students who agreed to take on debt and do internships because they didn't know what they were getting into but
You are AGAINST bailing out students who agreed to take on debt and didn't know what they were getting into because it's not someone else's job to make them whole for their mistakes

incorrect

you don't bail out the students with their loans. they need to pay those off

but you don't require them to do anymore unpaid internships to get their degree.

Recalling that you said this about the internship scenario (it's above): "At this point, the student SHOULD seek legal council and sue the crap out of the school. But, the kid is only 20 and doesn't know any better." What is the student suing for? Pride?

to be let out of the requirement of doing an internship.

if a school requires that you do an internship for a degree, and you can't find one that pays (often happens, particularly in this economy) then the university should not hold you responsible for your unwillingness to be a slave. and they legally mandate that you work for anyone (even the school) for free. THAT is what you sue for....

there is no way in fuck I would ever have done an unpaid internship. those of you who did that, you got snookered but good

Unless it is illegal (long ago established that this practice has yet to be deemed illegal), you bound yourself. So this kid shouold be bailed out a requirement (internship) because he didn't know what he was getting into, yet the Occupiers are losers for asking to be bailed out of a requirement (loan repayment) for the same reason?

[pick6pedro]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

i think there will be a lot of private individuals who will be sued

it appears that too many people knew exactly what Sandusky was. they knew at the ice cream parlour

You could possibly make out a 1983 suit against the AD, and certainly against Sandusky himself. Hell, you could sue Sandusky straight-up.

NOTE: I don't actually know the law that well for these things.

they should just sue white men

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/penn-state-riots-about-white-men-not-liking-be-held-accountable

If, like me, you scanned the crowds rioting at Penn State last night after the announcement of the firing of Joe Paterno, you may have noticed that nearly all the people there were white men. The riots were about white men not liking to be held accountable.

As a native Pennsylvanian, I never once considered attending Penn State University. Penn State always seemed like a place full of cliquish white people recalling their glory years of making fun of the dorky kids in high school. More progressive white people and people of color went to big city state schools like Pitt or Temple while whiter, more conservative types tended to dominate the settings of the rural, fraternity-heavy Penn State campus.....

....Old, conservative white men around the state revered the football coach who stayed on well past his prime into his eighties. Paterno stayed on when others told him he was wrong not to change his old ways, well after his coaching seemed ineffective and his team’s record suffered. Paterno’s perseverance in the face of his deficiencies was a beacon of hope for many white men in Pennsylvania who felt their power challenged by liberals and people of color seeking to change their ways.

That's why I paid attention to the crowd rioting on television at Penn State last night. The firing of Joe Paterno upset the natural order that white men like Joe Paterno could rule not based on merit -- as Paterno’s coaching deficiencies showed -- but because white men always had.

You portray this as Michael Moore writing. He did not write that. You should be held accountable for not disclosing this fact.

[BCFAN94]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

[bignick33]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

[innocentbystander]

Add this...

20 year old film student walks into the Film School department office: "It says here I have to complete an intership for credit. I can't find one that pays. What should I do?"

Secretary says: "Let me call the department head." a minute passes "She'll see you now."

20 year old film student: "I can find an unpaid internship, but I need money if I am going to work. So I am not willing to do that. What can I take for classes instead of this internship."

Department Head: "Hmmmm. I think we have a little problem here. You see, when you applied to this college at this university 3 years ago, you agreed to the sylabus. So if you ever want to actually graduate, you are compelled to do an intership."

20 year old film student: "But they wont pay me anything, and I have to pay YOU for my time on the intership."

Department Head: "That is your problem."

Although not technically a "slave" the student doesn't have leverage here. He or she already screwed up royal when he or she picked the wrong major, not they are boxed in. At this point, the student SHOULD seek legal council and sue the crap out of the school. But, the kid is only 20 and doesn't know any better.

20 year old film student : "I am sick and tired of fetching everyone coffee. Why do I have to do this?"

Assistant Director: "Look kid, this is the way it works. I had to do it. You can quit, but then I'll call your school and you'll get no intern credit. I'll take mine black with sugar this time."

This is called, no self-respect. It is also criminal on behalf of the film studio. I call that kid a slave, you can call him or her anything you want.

Nothing says personal responsibility like suing an institution because YOU made a mistake and don't like it a couple years later!

That is basically, the OWS protest/movement. We have a whole bunch of kids who made terrible mistakes and (a couple years later) want someone else to make them whole. Or we have grown-ups who turned their houses into ATMs (another stupid mistake) and now that they are upside down and can't refinance out of their ever increasing interest rate, they want someone else to make them whole.

In sum:

You are FOR bailing out students who agreed to take on debt and do internships because they didn't know what they were getting into but
You are AGAINST bailing out students who agreed to take on debt and didn't know what they were getting into because it's not someone else's job to make them whole for their mistakes

incorrect

you don't bail out the students with their loans. they need to pay those off

but you don't require them to do anymore unpaid internships to get their degree.

Recalling that you said this about the internship scenario (it's above): "At this point, the student SHOULD seek legal council and sue the crap out of the school. But, the kid is only 20 and doesn't know any better." What is the student suing for? Pride?

to be let out of the requirement of doing an internship.

if a school requires that you do an internship for a degree, and you can't find one that pays (often happens, particularly in this economy) then the university should not hold you responsible for your unwillingness to be a slave. and they legally mandate that you work for anyone (even the school) for free. THAT is what you sue for....

there is no way in fuck I would ever have done an unpaid internship. those of you who did that, you got snookered but good

Unless it is illegal (long ago established that this practice has yet to be deemed illegal), you bound yourself. So this kid should be bailed out a requirement (internship) because he didn't know what he was getting into, yet the Occupiers are losers for asking to be bailed out of a requirement (loan repayment) for the same reason?

school isn't slavery.

unpaid work is in violation to the US Constitution. The students upset about their loans have no one to blame but themselves. They picked those schools and asked for the loans. They didn't have to do that. There are a myriad of options. Hell, Newt Gingrich told every student in America (everyone that was watching the GOP debate last night) how to go to an accredited university and graduate without a penny of loan debt, and they do that regardless of their financial situation at home and without a penny from the government.

[bignick33]

unpaid work is in violation to the US Constitution.

link me

[eagle9903]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

[weinerdog]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

Here we go again...

[innocentbystander]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

i think there will be a lot of private individuals who will be sued

it appears that too many people knew exactly what Sandusky was. they knew at the ice cream parlour

You could possibly make out a 1983 suit against the AD, and certainly against Sandusky himself. Hell, you could sue Sandusky straight-up.

NOTE: I don't actually know the law that well for these things.

they should just sue white men

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/penn-state-riots-about-white-men-not-liking-be-held-accountable

If, like me, you scanned the crowds rioting at Penn State last night after the announcement of the firing of Joe Paterno, you may have noticed that nearly all the people there were white men. The riots were about white men not liking to be held accountable.

As a native Pennsylvanian, I never once considered attending Penn State University. Penn State always seemed like a place full of cliquish white people recalling their glory years of making fun of the dorky kids in high school. More progressive white people and people of color went to big city state schools like Pitt or Temple while whiter, more conservative types tended to dominate the settings of the rural, fraternity-heavy Penn State campus.....

....Old, conservative white men around the state revered the football coach who stayed on well past his prime into his eighties. Paterno stayed on when others told him he was wrong not to change his old ways, well after his coaching seemed ineffective and his team’s record suffered. Paterno’s perseverance in the face of his deficiencies was a beacon of hope for many white men in Pennsylvania who felt their power challenged by liberals and people of color seeking to change their ways.

That's why I paid attention to the crowd rioting on television at Penn State last night. The firing of Joe Paterno upset the natural order that white men like Joe Paterno could rule not based on merit -- as Paterno’s coaching deficiencies showed -- but because white men always had.

You portray this as Michael Moore writing. He did not write that. You should be held accountable for not disclosing this fact.

I said Mike. Mike Elk not Mike Moore.

Who do I hold accountable for you being silly?

[BCFAN94]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

You are the worst pretend lawyer on the board by even a larger margin and shit.

[innocentbystander]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

You are the worst pretend lawyer on the board by even a larger margin and shit.

BCFAN94,

Did you ever meet your fellow '94 grads or ? Or ARE you either or as an alliass?

[eagle9903]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

You are the worst pretend lawyer on the board by even a larger margin and shit.

Your funny. I'd imagine you're a very likable person with a fulfilling life.

[bignick33]

What's worse: a pretend lawyer, or a real lawyer with multiple aids?

[BCFAN94]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

You are the worst pretend lawyer on the board by even a larger margin and shit.

Your funny. I'd imagine you're a very likable person with a fulfilling life.

I don't usually spend much time pondering anonymous message posters in real life but to each his own.

[pick6pedro]

unpaid work is in violation to the US Constitution. The students upset about their loans have no one to blame but themselves. They picked those schools and asked for the loans. They didn't have to do that. There are a myriad of options. Hell, Newt Gingrich told every student in America (everyone that was watching the GOP debate last night) how to go to an accredited university and graduate without a penny of loan debt, and they do that regardless of their financial situation at home and without a penny from the government.

This is not fact, this is opinion. Sometimes you forget there is a distinction.

And stop saying "unpaid work" like unpaid internships are the only form of unpaid work. The terms are not synonymous.

The students upset about their loans have no one to blame but themselves. They picked those schools and asked for the loans. They didn't have to do that. There are a myriad of options.

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

[pick6pedro]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

i think there will be a lot of private individuals who will be sued

it appears that too many people knew exactly what Sandusky was. they knew at the ice cream parlour

You could possibly make out a 1983 suit against the AD, and certainly against Sandusky himself. Hell, you could sue Sandusky straight-up.

NOTE: I don't actually know the law that well for these things.

they should just sue white men

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/penn-state-riots-about-white-men-not-liking-be-held-accountable

If, like me, you scanned the crowds rioting at Penn State last night after the announcement of the firing of Joe Paterno, you may have noticed that nearly all the people there were white men. The riots were about white men not liking to be held accountable.

As a native Pennsylvanian, I never once considered attending Penn State University. Penn State always seemed like a place full of cliquish white people recalling their glory years of making fun of the dorky kids in high school. More progressive white people and people of color went to big city state schools like Pitt or Temple while whiter, more conservative types tended to dominate the settings of the rural, fraternity-heavy Penn State campus.....

....Old, conservative white men around the state revered the football coach who stayed on well past his prime into his eighties. Paterno stayed on when others told him he was wrong not to change his old ways, well after his coaching seemed ineffective and his team’s record suffered. Paterno’s perseverance in the face of his deficiencies was a beacon of hope for many white men in Pennsylvania who felt their power challenged by liberals and people of color seeking to change their ways.

That's why I paid attention to the crowd rioting on television at Penn State last night. The firing of Joe Paterno upset the natural order that white men like Joe Paterno could rule not based on merit -- as Paterno’s coaching deficiencies showed -- but because white men always had.

You portray this as Michael Moore writing. He did not write that. You should be held accountable for not disclosing this fact.

I said Mike. Mike Elk not Mike Moore.

Who do I hold accountable for you being silly?

But you didn't say Mike Elk. You said "mike". The link within 2 cenitmeters of the name clearly shows the quoted is from "michaelmoore.com". It's misleading. For shame.

[bignick33]

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

You mean like medical or dental students? Just ponder if we didn't have those, because clinicals became illegal. That would be bad.

[eagle9903]

How do the PA residents feel about the hundreds of millions of dollars (at least?) in civil liability that their state now likely has?

Been a while since I was in law school, and this isn't my area of practice, but doesn't the 11th amendment keep the state off the hook?

Short answer, kind of but not really. Waived immunity and shit. I think.

Wow, this is ground breaking are you sure your just a lawyer and not a higher court justice? I especially like the use of the phrase "immunity and shit"....very lawyerly. You might have a case against the law school who printed your diploma. Just sayin'

You are the worst poster on the board by a very large margin.

You are the worst pretend lawyer on the board by even a larger margin and shit.

Your funny. I'd imagine you're a very likable person with a fulfilling life.

I don't usually spend much time pondering anonymous message posters in real life but to each his own.

It's not a time consuming process. You try hard to be funny, or to have edgy or contrary opinions. You're painfully unfunny and you stink at arguing. There is occasionally an unintentionally humorous moment when I read one of your posts and it is obvious you thought it would be well received.

It never is.

[rktbrkr]

Nevin Shapiro the little twerp who pimped for the players at Miami looks like an altar boy now, uuuum maybe thats not a good metaphor.

Just think about Sandusky & Nevin sharing a cell, they might never want to come out!

[bignick33]

Nevin Shapiro the little twerp who pimped for the players at Miami looks like an altar boy now, uuuum maybe thats not a good metaphor.

Just think about Sandusky & Nevin sharing a cell, they might never want to come out!

A university tacitly sanctioning large-scale raping of children is so much worse than cheating that it's not even worth comparing. This isn't just the biggest and most grotesque scandal in the history of collegiate sports; it's the worst scandal in the history of US sports.

[pick6pedro]

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

You mean like medical or dental students? Just ponder if we didn't have those, because clinicals became illegal. That would be bad.

If they became illegal, the jobs wouldn't exist because they were only created for illegals.

[bignick33]

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

You mean like medical or dental students? Just ponder if we didn't have those, because clinicals became illegal. That would be bad.

If they became illegal, the jobs wouldn't exist because they were only created for illegals.

Just imagine the lawsuits. Eagle9903 and Civil would get an even bigger windfall from that than they will from the PSU scandal.

[pick6pedro]

Nevin Shapiro the little twerp who pimped for the players at Miami looks like an altar boy now, uuuum maybe thats not a good metaphor.

Just think about Sandusky & Nevin sharing a cell, they might never want to come out!

A university tacitly sanctioning large-scale raping of children is so much worse than cheating that it's not even worth comparing. This isn't just the biggest and most grotesque scandal in the history of collegiate sports; it's the worst scandal in the history of US sports.

According to some, it's still when Swofford put a horse's head in Traghese's sheets...

[bignick33]

Nevin Shapiro the little twerp who pimped for the players at Miami looks like an altar boy now, uuuum maybe thats not a good metaphor.

Just think about Sandusky & Nevin sharing a cell, they might never want to come out!

A university tacitly sanctioning large-scale raping of children is so much worse than cheating that it's not even worth comparing. This isn't just the biggest and most grotesque scandal in the history of collegiate sports; it's the worst scandal in the history of US sports.

According to some, it's still when Swofford put a horse's head in Traghese's sheets...

fucking traders

[pick6pedro]

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

You mean like medical or dental students? Just ponder if we didn't have those, because clinicals became illegal. That would be bad.

If they became illegal, the jobs wouldn't exist because they were only created for illegals.

Just imagine the lawsuits. Eagle9903 and Civil would get an even bigger windfall from that than they will from the PSU scandal.

And shit.

[eagle9903]

That applies to students who chose a school that required an internship. I'm not sure how much clearer to make it. Keep talking to yourself, though.

You mean like medical or dental students? Just ponder if we didn't have those, because clinicals became illegal. That would be bad.

If they became illegal, the jobs wouldn't exist because they were only created for illegals.

Just imagine the lawsuits. Eagle9903 and Civil would get an even bigger windfall from that than they will from the PSU scandal.

I'm a very bad pretend lawyer.