campion {l Wrote}:Would Dred Scott have to pay out of state tuition if he matriculated at the University of Wisconsin? What if his master took him back to Missouri. Could he attend Mizzou on instate tuition?
bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:I'm trying to understand why people not only read IB's posts, but respond to his posts as well. I don't get it.
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
so a college diploma is an inalienable right. gotcha
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?
happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me.
best decision I could make at the time.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?
happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me.
best decision I could make at the time.
So there was no force then? You graduated without serving as a coffee wench, right?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are
is your real name nick burns?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are
is your real name nick burns?
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are
is your real name nick burns?
no.
and great, i'm glad you didn't have to intern
i didn't say i didn't intern... i said i didn't hold a position of an unpaid intern.
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:your claim was that there was disagreement from the masses because they must have held unpaid internships at one point in their lives and i was simply pointing out that, as usual, you were wrong
hansen {l Wrote}:TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i never had to perform an unpaid internship but i think your statements are stupid and like to point out how stupid they are
is your real name nick burns?
MOVE!
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:i don't know about right and just but it was the opportunity afforded to me
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Nospace, do you know what slavery is?
Yeah.
Do you know what involuntary servitude is?
If I were a freed slave, I'd be bullshit at your suggestion that a voluntary unpaid internship is the same as slavery. I'd also be bullshit at your assertion that higher education is an inalienable right. Oh, the ironing.
Higher education is not an inalienable right. But demanding to be financially compensated for serving someone (that you don't volunteer to serve) is Constitutional. These students are not criminals and their desire to NOT intern, is a legitimate one. A university has no place or right requiring students serve for free, anywhere. You might be able to get away with that in other countries, but students shouldn't have to tolerate that crap, here.
So the student can't leave the school or (gasp!) transfer credits to a different one?
happens all the time. happened that way for (gasp!) me.
best decision I could make at the time.
So there was no force then? You graduated without serving as a coffee wench, right?
that's correct, i never had to do any internships.
now, the first school that I attended did have internships (the bulk of which were unpaid) but that was only for the liberal arts majors, mostly those who wanted to work in CJ, Journalism, etc, especially photography. it wasn't that way for Comp Sci (I don't know of ANY engineering on Comp Sci students who would ever have worked for free), but I would have had to do a Co-Op. At the time, the Comp Sci Co-Ops only paid about $11-$13/hour, maybe a smidgen more, but that was still pretty good "kid" money for upstate New York in the late 1980s.
I think those unpaid internships are mostly just for theater, journalism, English majors, maybe business administration, economics, etc. You aren't going to see that with the techies, so to speak. I guess I can understand why so many of you here vehemently defend the irrationality of the unpaid internship, too many of you had to do them at BC, probably figure that since you had to do them, so does everyone else.
ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.
If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.
If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.
At least that originated in this thread. The IB intern theory came from a MA's thread.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.
I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.
I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.
I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.
I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.
Move to Europe. Until then, STFU.
And the Supreme Court has thus far been smart enough to think your theory is retarded. In fact, I bet more than one of them did an unpaid internship at some point. Some are old enough to have been young lawyers when apprenticeships were in vogue, the early 1800s.
Megan {l Wrote}:Like everyone else around here, I'm trying to wrap my brain around exactly what happened at Penn State. Until yesterday, I had been somewhat vague on exactly what the graduate student saw; naturally, I'd assumed it was considerably more ambiguous than the grade jury report suggests. How do you walk in on someone clearly having anal sex with a 10-year old, and then walk out again?
(I apologize for the graphic description, but a surprising number of people, as I was, seem to be a bit confused about what the graduate student actually saw. The answer turns out to be "almost the worst thing you can imagine".)
Actually, I can forgive the walking out. No, really, I can. I can imagine myself walking in on a scene so horrible that I couldn't quite believe that it was actually happening. I can imagine it taking me as long as five minutes to convince myself that no, really, it actually happened, and either walk back in there and do the right thing, or fetch someone else who would do it with me.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.
If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:IB being a moron amuses me. His butchery of history, the "law" and the constitution is without parallel.
I'm guessing you would say the same thing about 4 or 5 of the Supreme Court justices, teddy.
I wish the law was as objective as it should be. If it was, we wouldn't need so many lawyers.
Move to Europe. Until then, STFU.
And the Supreme Court has thus far been smart enough to think your theory is retarded. In fact, I bet more than one of them did an unpaid internship at some point. Some are old enough to have been young lawyers when apprenticeships were in vogue, the early 1800s.
A lot of stuff (legal and a-okay with the Constitution and the Supreme Court) was in vogue, in the early 1800s.
I don't really care if all nine of them did unpaid internships. I don't believe that it's Constitutional, and under no circumstances, will anyone in my family have such low self-esteem as to be doing them.
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