ryrob {l Wrote}:Honestly don't understand the JoePa lynch mob mentality. It's easy in hindsight to say "How could he not know?" in light of all the victims and the revolting things that are now public.
At the time though, he hears a disgusting report from his GA and appropriately reports it to the two assclowns upstairs. Said assclowns don't do anything. Maybe he followed up with them and they say "Don't worry about it, it's being investigated." At that point, what more do you want him to do? Make a citizen's arrest? Think you need to take this with some perspective considering what was actually known at the time, and also considering that none of us actually know what happened after he reported it.
All of that said, almost positive he's fired. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.
ryrob {l Wrote}:Honestly don't understand the JoePa lynch mob mentality. It's easy in hindsight to say "How could he not know?" in light of all the victims and the revolting things that are now public.
At the time though, he hears a disgusting report from his GA and appropriately reports it to the two assclowns upstairs. Said assclowns don't do anything. Maybe he followed up with them and they say "Don't worry about it, it's being investigated." At that point, what more do you want him to do? Make a citizen's arrest? Think you need to take this with some perspective considering what was actually known at the time, and also considering that none of us actually know what happened after he reported it.
All of that said, almost positive he's fired. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.
EagleDave {l Wrote}:ryrob {l Wrote}:Honestly don't understand the JoePa lynch mob mentality. It's easy in hindsight to say "How could he not know?" in light of all the victims and the revolting things that are now public.
At the time though, he hears a disgusting report from his GA and appropriately reports it to the two assclowns upstairs. Said assclowns don't do anything. Maybe he followed up with them and they say "Don't worry about it, it's being investigated." At that point, what more do you want him to do? Make a citizen's arrest? Think you need to take this with some perspective considering what was actually known at the time, and also considering that none of us actually know what happened after he reported it.
All of that said, almost positive he's fired. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.
Morally you would think he would object to even having the guy on campus once he found out about it. As was mentioned earlier, in no way does the AD have any authority over the football program at PSU. If Paterno wanted Sandusky on "administrative leave" pending an investigation, he would have snapped his fingers and made it happen. Instead he was allowed to stay on staff with complete access.
As someone pointed out in a column that I read today, if this had reportedly happened to JoePa's grandkids, I don't think he'd have just kicked it upstairs and forgotten about it.
JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:If you're Al Golden, to slightly change the subject, do you want to clean up after this? Seems better to clean up the mess at Miami then this, which clearly extended its tentacles into a lot of places.
ryrob {l Wrote}:EagleDave {l Wrote}:ryrob {l Wrote}:Honestly don't understand the JoePa lynch mob mentality. It's easy in hindsight to say "How could he not know?" in light of all the victims and the revolting things that are now public.
At the time though, he hears a disgusting report from his GA and appropriately reports it to the two assclowns upstairs. Said assclowns don't do anything. Maybe he followed up with them and they say "Don't worry about it, it's being investigated." At that point, what more do you want him to do? Make a citizen's arrest? Think you need to take this with some perspective considering what was actually known at the time, and also considering that none of us actually know what happened after he reported it.
All of that said, almost positive he's fired. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.
Morally you would think he would object to even having the guy on campus once he found out about it. As was mentioned earlier, in no way does the AD have any authority over the football program at PSU. If Paterno wanted Sandusky on "administrative leave" pending an investigation, he would have snapped his fingers and made it happen. Instead he was allowed to stay on staff with complete access.
As someone pointed out in a column that I read today, if this had reportedly happened to JoePa's grandkids, I don't think he'd have just kicked it upstairs and forgotten about it.
Sandusky was not an employee at the time though, correct? Thought he just had access to the facility, which they then restricted to "no kids with you". That's the most damning part of all this, because that implies that they thought he was guilty.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
Wrong, unless PA law is still in the 1800s. Most states have statutes making all educational personnel mandatory reporters of "reasonable belief" of abuse of a minor. That specifically does not permit a mandatory reporter to claim that receipt of a first hand account, as hearsay to the mandatory reporter, is free to claim a lack of reasonable belief because he didn't see it himself or the that the declarant lacks credibility until the claim can be independently verified. You hear ir, you report it to the police - that's the law in every state as far as I know and assume.
If the GA told Joe Pa, Jo Pa was a mandatory reporter under most states' mandatory reporter laws, and should have been legally obligated to report to he police.
Having handled these cases on both the criminal and civil end of things in Illiois, I can authoritatively state that if PA's law is anyhing like IL's, JoPa couldnhave been charged with a felony ifbthe incident happened within the last three years. It may be that the only thing saving a lot of these pieces of sh!t who sat on the reports is that the statutes of limitation for the criminal charges have expired.
You can bet, though, some pretty hefty civil suits are coming PSU's way.
How is JoPa a mandatory reporter? The prepubescent kid wasn't a student at PSU. If all educators are mandatory reporters regardless of whether the kid is under your care, then fine, you are right. I'm no expert on child law, I just thought that the abused had to be in your care for you to be a mandatory reporter, for example say the child's teacher or doctor.
MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:Is this quote a joke?
Speaking personally, Huck said Sandusky has “done some wonderful things in his lifetime and we should try to help him ... We all make little mistakes in our lives.”
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... nn_st.html
Endless Mike {l Wrote}:I don't understand why this hasn't gotten more publicity. Compare this to the coverage that the sports media gave the Ohio State tattoo scandal.
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I don't know about heaping blame on Paterno. I mean:
1. He's been senile for years.
2. From the article I read, it sounds like he wasn't really given the full story by the GA, just that something "inappropriate" was happening.
3. He did report it to the AD, who it turns out is a fuck-up, but that's not really JoePa's fault.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:I don't understand why this hasn't gotten more publicity. Compare this to the coverage that the sports media gave the Ohio State tattoo scandal.
Its been 24-7 on sports radio and there have been several newspaper articles, is it not getting a lot of ESPN coverage?
Endless Mike {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:I don't understand why this hasn't gotten more publicity. Compare this to the coverage that the sports media gave the Ohio State tattoo scandal.
Its been 24-7 on sports radio and there have been several newspaper articles, is it not getting a lot of ESPN coverage?
Maybe I just live in a bubble but I didn't see much on it over the weekend. I learned about it from this thread.
Granted, as I recall most of the Ohio State stuff came out during the offseason when there was little CFB news, so that could be it as well.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:I don't understand why this hasn't gotten more publicity. Compare this to the coverage that the sports media gave the Ohio State tattoo scandal.
Its been 24-7 on sports radio and there have been several newspaper articles, is it not getting a lot of ESPN coverage?
Maybe I just live in a bubble but I didn't see much on it over the weekend. I learned about it from this thread.
Granted, as I recall most of the Ohio State stuff came out during the offseason when there was little CFB news, so that could be it as well.
I didn't think it was that big of a deal when I first read this thread(I also hadn't seen it elsewhere). I'm not sure why but when I hear about this kind of thing my brain always automatically filters it to something not as terrible as what actually happens. Then I was driving on Saturday morning and all of a sudden the actual nature of the crime started to come to light and while any kind of child molestation is terrible, this is one of those once in a lifetime kind of media story as it combines a sports legend and child rape. My guess is that this will be on and off the front of the sports page for a year or more. Its on philly.com above the stupid occupy human interest nonsense of the day and above signing Thome, so I think it's taking off.
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:Has it been reported whether the NCAA is going to investigate? I believe blowjobs to potential recruits and athletes competing for walk-on positions are improper benefits.
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:I don't know about heaping blame on Paterno. I mean:
1. He's been senile for years.
2. From the article I read, it sounds like he wasn't really given the full story by the GA, just that something "inappropriate" was happening.
3. He did report it to the AD, who it turns out is a fuck-up, but that's not really JoePa's fault.
I think its really unclear on where the fully story isn't passed, if ever. I doubt, but wouldn't be floored if Spanier knew everything.
Taking the most damning incident, I don't find it far fetched to believe:
1.McQueary - accurately described child rape
2.JoePa - accurately described child rape
3.Curley - accurately described child rape
4.Schultz - omits details making incident look like harmless horseplay
Under this scenario Schultz is the one who should be getting 99% of the shitstorm and JoePa McQueary, while no saints in this situation, aren't nominated for as worst person in the world.
Alternatively, I find this to be the most likely scenario:
1.McQueary - accurately described child rape;
2.JoePa - omits details making incident look like harmless horseplay;
3.Curley - Kind of knows what's going on but not explicitly enough to act without putting job on line;
4.Schultz - Kind of knows what's going on but not explicitly enough to act without putting job on line;
In this case JoePa is the horrific monster he's being made out to be and I think this situation makes McQueary disgustingly opportunistic. In this instance I somewhat feel sympathetic towards the higher ups, but not that much.
JoePa's version is completely unbelievable to me.
1.McQueary - omits details making incident look like harmless horseplay;
2.JoePa - Knows nothing*;
3.Curley - Knows nothing;
4.Schultz - Knows nothing;
McQueary, a miserable college qb and known fire crotch becomes JoePa's go-to assistant in the meantime.
angrychicken {l Wrote}:Touching kids is gross. Covering up for kid touchers is equally as gross. Blindly defending alleged kid touchers or those who have covered up for kid touchers is creepy. I blame the media.
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:A local high school sniffed out Sandusky within a couple of years of him being a volunteer coach. Penn State never did anything in 32 years while he was on staff?!
SeaCaptim {l Wrote}:and furthermore, if the perjury charges against Hurley and administrator are supported by the evidence, it seems highly likely that Joe Paterno either knew the details, or must have connected the dots. "An unusual" act in the shower with two males, usually does not involve running an option right with the soap.
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
How does McQueary witness this taking place and not intervene physically??
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
How does McQueary witness this taking place and not intervene physically??
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