pick6pedro wrote:BCWest wrote:Big Country is born.
The good news is that it comes with a built in theme song and D list athlete rep
HJS wrote:Once again... I do not understand why Big East football is worth saving.
I honestly cannot comprehend how any team is better off in the realligned proposed-Big East than if they were in the 32 SuperMegaConference. The 32-team Big USA thing actually is somewhat entertaining and would provide a pretty exciting playoff scenario. It would be for FB only, meaning the Big East BB schools wouldn't have to worry about travelling to Texas and the RU's and UConn's wouldn't have to miss-out on MSG for BB. I'd also point out that a school like BSU may never recoup the money they will need to pay to get out of the MWC (potentially $22mm if BSU makes the BCS this year). Finally, the proposed 32-team Big USA would be assured an AQ because the BCS would then never have to worry about be exclusionary as almost 100 schools would technically have access (12+12+14+14+32+10).
pick6pedro wrote:pick6pedro wrote:BCWest wrote:Big Country is born.
The good news is that it comes with a built in theme song and D list athlete rep
I never saw you look like this without a reason
Another promise fallen through, another season passes by you
They took the AQ away from our ol' buddy's place
And that's a desperate way to look for someone who is still a child
In the Big Country dreams stray from you
Like a Commish's voice fires the mountainside
HJS wrote:BTW... I talked to buddies who are grads from RU, Cuse and Louisville. The thing they don't like about the Big Country conference is their ability to recruit. They claim that it would be a tough sell telling a kid that you have to beat 31 other schools in order to get to the BCS.
And there lies their NBE bastardized thinking. To the NBE schools, they view the BCS AQ bid as the holy grail. So long as they have it, they are big time. They have this outstripped ideal that the BCS game is what brings instant credibility. As we have all discussed in the past, Bowls are generally meaningless exhibitions meant to reward well-travelling fanbases. The BCS isn't a reward for the best teams. BC with Matt Ryan finished 2007 in the top 10 and didn't get invited. Why? As I understand it, it was because GDF wouldn't guarantee a certain number of tickets. He was apparently afraid of a UConn-like shortfall appearing on the balance sheet. Christ, the whole concept of an AQ is based upon NOT having the best team in the game (because they would pick the team based on ranking instead of conference standing). Nonetheless, they could just look at their fellow-members to realize how meaningless the BCS is. How has UConn been doing since backing into the BCS game? Has Cincy or Louisville become dominant programs with their back-to-back invites?
The original idea about the AQ was that you can tell recruits "if we are the best team in the conference, we will go to the BCS." You didn't have to worry about being left out in the cold. However, with subsequent changes to the formulas, pretty much no great team is ever left out, as TCU and BSU has shown year-in and year-out. An AQ for a 32-team conference serves the same thing as BC being in a 16-team ACC with ND. Gonna be pretty freaking hard to win it all.
The ideal scenario for these NBE fools is to be in a conference with a bunch of crap teams... but having the conference keep AQ status. They think selling kids the chance of being the smartest kid on the short bus is very appealing. Marinatto (who actually was the smartest kid on the short bus when he was in school) believes this as well. It is this myopic thinking that has been the downfall of the league. Kids don't pick schools based upon easy access to a bowl game. If they did, USF would be beating the crap out of Florida and FSU for in-State recruits as USF has always had the much easier road to the BCS. Kids want to be in a conference where they play against elite opponents. They want the chance to shine against top competition. They want to be challenged. You are talking about kids who irrationally think they will be playing football on Sundays.
The best thing the NBE football schools could do is make decisions that would create the most DIFFICULT road to get to the BCS. At this point, there isn't a way to do it in the current entity. But, the great Britton Banowsky has come up with a way they can do it in his somewhat brilliant Big Country. If the FB schools continue to let Marinatto lead them down the current path of inviting Temple, Memphis, et al. They do it at their own peril... which will be losing their AQ status (and probably offering it to the highest rated team from the new BE and MWCUSA). That scenario is so incredibly worse for the NNBE. Of course, they won't realize it until it is too late... because that is what they are best at.
bcaddict wrote:Even tho the B12 didn't expand to 12 (yet), now that the destruction of essentially all of the founding members of the BE is official, we have the scenario whereby ND must choose. In light of that, the next big move will be whatever the bball-only schools choose to do. Do they form their own conference, and if so, is that more attractive to ND than whatever dogshit the BE cobbles together in the next few weeks?
BCWest wrote:bcaddict wrote:Even tho the B12 didn't expand to 12 (yet), now that the destruction of essentially all of the founding members of the BE is official, we have the scenario whereby ND must choose. In light of that, the next big move will be whatever the bball-only schools choose to do. Do they form their own conference, and if so, is that more attractive to ND than whatever dogshit the BE cobbles together in the next few weeks?
Bball only schools: Not enough of them field enough of NDs sports. Plus, that is not a decent, let alone good conference for your sports teams. ND can join and hide there, but you are really throwing your Olympic sports under the bus.
Big East stays together, plus adds the list discussed: ND can hang in that conference. But is this the conference ND wants for BBall and its other sports? Houston, UCF? Again, ND can clearly stick in the conference, but that is an awful step down from where they can be.
Big 12: It sounds like they can join as non football. Quality athletics. But culturally not in line with ND at all. Locations do not support ND alums and exposure at all.
BIg Ten: Only as a full member ending "independence" in football. Great upside for Olympic sports and good travel. Ends national schedule for football, competing against almost entirely state schools, all sports are regionalized. Preserves annual games with Purdue, MSU, and Michigan.
ACC: Only as a full member and ends football independence. More travel than Big Ten for Olympic sports, but as good if not better for many Olympic sports. Preserves national scheduling. Competing against a large number of private schools and public ivies. Culturally a getter fit.
Sounds to me like none of the 5 options will sound good to Swarbrick and Father Jenkins.
TobaccoRoadEagle wrote:HJS wrote:... BC with Matt Ryan finished 2007 in the top 10 and didn't get invited. Why? As I understand it, it was because GDF wouldn't guarantee a certain number of tickets...
not to let facts get in the way of all of homojs' sources but i think the real reason may have had something to do with the #14 ranking and the offerings of only 8 slots
One important thing you are overlooking as the impact the AQ for BCS in terms of recruiting. If you are say Rutgers or UConn and you find yourself in a MAC like conference with no AQ bid, and you are recruiting agaisnt say BC and Pitt. Any recruiter from Pitt or BC worth their salt is going to piss all over the Uconn or Rutgers program to the recruit, labeling them a Mickey Mouse Program, who can go 11-0 and end up in a Boise bowl. Very tough to recruit out of a non AQ conference. It is important.
31southst wrote:Has ND ever said anything about protecting their Olympic sports? My assumption has always been ND will throw them under the bus until it is literally not an option, so I think they'll either go nnbe or b12
Walsh601 wrote:So Luck confirmed WVU is leaving the BE on July of next year. So why the f are Syracuse and Pitt being made to wait 27 months?
I will say it again. This whole process is going to end with some very ugly litigation
BCWest wrote:31southst wrote:Has ND ever said anything about protecting their Olympic sports? My assumption has always been ND will throw them under the bus until it is literally not an option, so I think they'll either go nnbe or b12
I think people would be surprised at what Father Jenkins cares about. We are talking about sports where the Big East will not field enough teams.
Oliver Closeoff wrote:The Big East is dead because now the conference is looking at a Conference USA like TV contract and sharing of its BCS bid with the Mt West at best. It wouldn't shock me to see Cincy and Louisville going to the Big 12 in near future. Let the Tuesday, Wednesday and early morning crap BE football games begin!
rktbrkr wrote: ND would be in the upper rungs of ACC for FB but middle of the pack in B10.
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