flyingelvii wrote: twballgame9 wrote: flyingelvii wrote: twballgame9 wrote: claver2010 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:As a Red Sox fan, I can say that I am not really waiting for anything from this team. They are utterly unlikeable crybabies and excuse makers empowered by their incompetent manager. But hey, look at the bright side, after Bedard and Lester throw 140 pitches each in 3 and 1/3 innings the next two nights, I don't even need to think about them anymore.
I would take Francona to manage my baseball squadron.
You can have him. And if you get his stacked lineup and pitching staff for him to abuse, he'll win an occasional World Series.
Francona is Torre redux. Outsiders think he is awesome because he wins, but those that watch him every day know he is an idiot. A lawn gnome could have accidental success with that payroll and what the front office does with it, and the lawn gnome wouldn't abuse his bullpen, and shuffle his lineup in June to prepare for a postseason they aren't going to make.
Um, yeah you've gone full retard. Who has he abused over the years? Since 2005: Papelbon has had his arm coddled since he hurt his shoulder, Oki never pitched over 69 innings and started to suck when he turned 34 so maybe something there, MDC pitched over 70 innings once and never over 60 in any other year, Timlin pitched until he was about 60 so no abuse there, Lopez was a classic LOOGY and only pitched big innings (69) in one year. There haven't really been any other significant relievers for the Sox aside from them
Basically the only guy that supports your argument is Keith Foulke, who just about lost his arm pitching for the fucking World Series. Torre had four relievers over 65 innings in ONE YEAR! So nice try but at least make sure it's factually accurate next time you try to play contrarian dickhole.
Yeah, no. Keith Foulke and Oki and Bard send their regards. The only guy he hasn't abused is Pabelbon. Keep focusing on IP, I will focus on shitty pitching in September.
Oh, and feel free to hire Francona, he will be available soon.
Alright fucktard, how am I supposed to measure abuse by relievers, especially in comparison to Torre? Bard used to be a starter and still threw 100 MPH gas so, while I don't really like that he's above 70 innings, I have less of a problem with others. I addressed Oki above. Regardless, that's three examples. Joe Torre, who you compared him to in a direct analogy, does this routinely. Again full retard.
And again, fuck off for suggesting he ruined Foulke. Foulke doesn't extend himself the Sox don't win the ALCS, don't get to the WS and Shank is still getting royalty money off the Bambino shit. I can see you clearly just have an axe to grind for being a miserable fuckwad after the game tonight and are now making completely illogical arguments because of said fuckwadness.
And, yes, Adrian Gonzalez had a shit September where he only hit to the tune of .318/.455/.523 with 4 HR and 17 RBI so please continue to make shit up. His worst month was August where, coincidentally, the Red Sox were doing well. The only logical conclusion I can gather from this is that he doesn't try hard enough or want it enough or some other retarded bullshit premise that gets thrown around by retards like Shank and Mazz. Congratulations, you are a joke.
You are right, the Red Sox lost because of some sort of statistic. It had absolutely nothing to do with human nature, or things like choking or lack of clutch ABs and pitching performance, since we all know that humans don't play baseball. It's probably Pythagorean or sample size or some such thing. I mean the Sox were so good for 5 months, it was only natural that they would balance out in the 6th month.
As for pitching, I look at pitching staffs that consistently have guys pitching shitty in September and I ask myself: "Self, why are they pitching shitty in September, I know it is not because they are chokers, because that doesn't exist. They must be overworked."
Truth is that like Torre, Francona is at best a mediocre manager working with a ton of talent and a huge payroll every year. When you watch him everyday, like I did for 8 years before this miserable team lost me in July, you realize he does very little, and what he does is not good. His two primary responsibilities after playing cribbage with Pedroia are the awful station to station baseball (on a team with Crawford and Ellsbury in the lineup, Pedroia is the only guy that steals as much or more than he should) and the bullpen. Both suck.
Oh, and unlike you, I could give a shit, and found what happened last night kind of amusing (and even moreso, the wonderful baiting opportunity that resulted). Didn't make me miserable in the least - I call it like I see it. And I haven't read the Globe or Herald's coverage of the Sox in years because Mazz and Shank fucking suck. But thanks.
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