Reggie Declares, Doesn't Hire Agent

[bcbcbcbcbc4444]

Yeah, the idea of a team not having any seniors on scholarship would be pretty astounding.

Not really. its the fact that we would have 0 seniors, 0 juniors, and 1 last minute sophomore on scholarship next year that would be astounding

[mjago410]

No, Matt Humphrey would be a junior on scholarship.

[MattTheEagle]

We will have 1 senior and 1 junior on scholarship: Elmore and Humphrey.

[bcbcbcbcbc4444]

We will have 1 senior and 1 junior on scholarship: Elmore and Humphrey.

forgot about humphrey. i thought we were assuming elmore was leaving

[bcmurph]

In an interview on Tuesday, Jackson was non-committal about his decision, saying he was taking it "day by day." But after another meeting with head coach Steve Donahue and talking with past coaches, Jackson finally made his move.

I blame Al...

[BC923]

http://www.bcheights.com/sports/jackson-declares-for-draft-hasn-t-hired-agent-1.2133534

Article in the Heights with some quotes from Jackson for those interested.

wow elmore might be leaving too, hadn't heard that

there were some rumors but i had no idea it was set in stone.

edit: at least reggie didn't talk negatively about Donahue there. Even if they don't get along it's good that they maintain mutual respect.

[claver2010]

Something in that article threw me off.

"Whatever everybody decides to do, I wish them the best. It's more than basketball. Dallas, I love the kid, I don't know what's on his mind or what he's going through right now. I hear just like everyone else. Me and him will probably talk later this week and see where his mind's at and what he's dealing with."

Now as the lone JRs wouldn't these guys be living together? And if they're living together don't you know what's on your teammate who is also your roommate's mind?

[EagleDave]

Elmore is probably out too, which shouldn't shock anyone. Dallas was a package deal with Reggie to begin with (AAU teammates) and doesn't really fit the system.

[b0mberMan]

Bad for the short run, good for the long run.

As I've said before, pull off the bandaid. Reggie leaving will merely mean we are 9-21 next year instead of 14-16. Yes, that's right. I think RJ playing for the Don on a freshman dominated team is only worth about 5 more wins, at best. With his attitude toward the Don and a green supporting cast, he would only amount to a minor difference. Either way, we weren't going to sniff the tournament.

Now the Don will have the frosh without a contrarian influence in RJ, and they can gel in their common struggles through next season. Given my above bleak outlook either way, I don't see this as a bad thing. If the Don can close two more similar recruiting classes as this year's, we could be looking at 6 years of tournament appearances thereafter.

From here on the Don is on the clock, as the teams will be all his (except for Elmore next year). How many new coaches can say that after their first year on the job?

And the hoops wierdos begin their typical shitting on our best player because he broke their hearts.

[EagleDave]

Bad for the short run, good for the long run.

As I've said before, pull off the bandaid. Reggie leaving will merely mean we are 9-21 next year instead of 14-16. Yes, that's right. I think RJ playing for the Don on a freshman dominated team is only worth about 5 more wins, at best. With his attitude toward the Don and a green supporting cast, he would only amount to a minor difference. Either way, we weren't going to sniff the tournament.

Now the Don will have the frosh without a contrarian influence in RJ, and they can gel in their common struggles through next season. Given my above bleak outlook either way, I don't see this as a bad thing. If the Don can close two more similar recruiting classes as this year's, we could be looking at 6 years of tournament appearances thereafter.

From here on the Don is on the clock, as the teams will be all his (except for Elmore next year). How many new coaches can say that after their first year on the job?

And the hoops wierdos begin their typical shitting on our best player because he broke their hearts.

That's not "shitting on the best player". Those are facts. Deny that any of the following are true...

1. Surrounded by 3 freshman and a junior transfer, the team would have struggled to match the 20 wins from this season
2. Reggie looked listless and displayed incredibly poor body language on more than one occasion this season.
3. There was tension between Reggie and the Don throughout the year because of #2.

[screagle]

What's the talk of Reggie & the Don not getting along based on?

Watch the games...it's pretty easy to figure out. Also based on Reggie getting benched in the middle of the season.

i'm not sold on reggie and the don not getting along. at the beginning of the season, reggie was saying that bc hit the jackpot by hiring the don. he was gushing over the guy throughout the entire article (globe?). i realize the don gave him some tough love in the middle of the season with the benching and was visibly frustrated with his game at times (for good reason). sure, reggie may have not liked it at the moment, but i don't see how this changes reggie's respect for him.

[b0mberMan]

Hooooops Weirdoooooooooos!

[EagleDave]

not for nothing but i wouldn't call 3 a "fact." it seems much more "opinion" based

I'd say the benching prior to the Duke game and Reggies subsequent pouting and no-show pretty much made that fact.

It wasn't season-long tension, but it was clear that Reggie was not a big fan of Donahue at varying points of the season and his attitude and work ethic were under major scrutiny during those times.

[b0mberMan]

Who wants to put bets on when someone will say he needs to leave so he's not a bad influence on the incoming freshman like Ty Rice was?

You hoops wierdos are wierd.

[eepstein0]

I'd like if Elmore stuck around because he's a good defensive player but that's a kid that just never developed under either coach. I always felt like he had the ability to be a good player. This'll give Donahue another couple of scholarships is 2012 (of which they are actually a bunch of good players). I can't see us signing anyone else in the 2011 class.

[bcmurph]

Something in that article threw me off.

"Whatever everybody decides to do, I wish them the best. It's more than basketball. Dallas, I love the kid, I don't know what's on his mind or what he's going through right now. I hear just like everyone else. Me and him will probably talk later this week and see where his mind's at and what he's dealing with."

Now as the lone JRs wouldn't these guys be living together? And if they're living together don't you know what's on your teammate who is also your roommate's mind?

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he just didn't want to speak for him...Someone posted this on ATL's blog...

I spoke to Reggie Jackson today and he said that Dallas Elmore is gone for sure too. He said Dallas is looking to transfer to a school out west, closer to home, to Colorado St., Montana, UNLV or USF. Dallas didn't get much playing time and doesn't really fit the system so it makes sense, despite being a senior.

[pick6pedro]

Something in that article threw me off.

"Whatever everybody decides to do, I wish them the best. It's more than basketball. Dallas, I love the kid, I don't know what's on his mind or what he's going through right now. I hear just like everyone else. Me and him will probably talk later this week and see where his mind's at and what he's dealing with."

Now as the lone JRs wouldn't these guys be living together? And if they're living together don't you know what's on your teammate who is also your roommate's mind?

The quote right before that tells me he may have been caught off guard by the question and that was his way of trying to downplay it.


PS - "But after another meeting with head coach Steve Donahue and talking with past coaches, Jackson finally made his move." fire Al

[Shredder]

I'd like if Elmore stuck around because he's a good defensive player but that's a kid that just never developed under either coach. I always felt like he had the ability to be a good player. This'll give Donahue another couple of scholarships is 2012 (of which they are actually a bunch of good players). I can't see us signing anyone else in the 2011 class.

It doesn't change a real lot for scholarships because Jackson and Elmore would free up two after 2011-12 anyway. What Don can do now is take on another transfer to sit out the upcoming season. While we've talked about spreading out the scholarships, that will probably take care of itself as situations like this, with players leaving early or transferring, will arise with Don't recruits as well.

[joemack13]

I'd like if Elmore stuck around because he's a good defensive player but that's a kid that just never developed under either coach. I always felt like he had the ability to be a good player. This'll give Donahue another couple of scholarships is 2012 (of which they are actually a bunch of good players). I can't see us signing anyone else in the 2011 class.

It doesn't change a real lot for scholarships because Jackson and Elmore would free up two after 2011-12 anyway. What Don can do now is take on another transfer to sit out the upcoming season. While we've talked about spreading out the scholarships, that will probably take care of itself as situations like this, with players leaving early or transferring, will arise with Don't recruits as well.

Didn't we have scholarships we could use for 2011 without Reggie or Elmore leaving? I don't think this changes anything with the scholarship situation besides the fact that we might want to use our already-available scholarships earlier

[joemack13]

What's our roster for next year if we lose Reggie & Elmore. Back to 8 Scholarship players? Who are the walk-ons?

[EagleDave]

What's our roster for next year if we lose Reggie & Elmore. Back to 8 Scholarship players? Who are the walk-ons?

Off the top of my head the lineup would be Moton, L. Jackson, Humphrey, Anderson, Caudill with Odio, Clifford, and Daniels off the bench?

Wow, I just scared myself...that's a 10 win team.

[angrychicken]

I think he is long gone. Given this draft, Reggie will probably be a Top 15 pick.

I don't see this happening. Not by a long shot.

[joemack13]

What's our roster for next year if we lose Reggie & Elmore. Back to 8 Scholarship players? Who are the walk-ons?

Off the top of my head the lineup would be Moton, L. Jackson, Humphrey, Anderson, Caudill with Odio, Clifford, and Daniels off the bench?

Wow, I just scared myself...that's a 10 win team.

With walkons Rubin... any reason Cahill would take graduate classes to stay on the team?

[Bumpers]

Bad for the short run, good for the long run.

As I've said before, pull off the bandaid. Reggie leaving will merely mean we are 9-21 next year instead of 14-16. Yes, that's right. I think RJ playing for the Don on a freshman dominated team is only worth about 5 more wins, at best. With his attitude toward the Don and a green supporting cast, he would only amount to a minor difference. Either way, we weren't going to sniff the tournament.

Now the Don will have the frosh without a contrarian influence in RJ, and they can gel in their common struggles through next season. Given my above bleak outlook either way, I don't see this as a bad thing. If the Don can close two more similar recruiting classes as this year's, we could be looking at 6 years of tournament appearances thereafter.

From here on the Don is on the clock, as the teams will be all his (except for Elmore next year). How many new coaches can say that after their first year on the job?

And the hoops wierdos begin their typical shitting on our best player because he broke their hearts.

WHOA Chaz, that was a good one! I bet you were laughing hysterically when you came up with that gem. P.S. tag, you're it.




P.P.S. I heart BC Basketball and BC Basketball Players who graduate

[commavegarage]

I know you don't fit the system and all but is it really worth waiting a year to play one at Montana and graduate with that degree over getting limited minutes but getting a BC degree?

[Bumpers]

Who wants to put bets on when someone will say he needs to leave so he's not a bad influence on the incoming freshman like Ty Rice was?

You hoops wierdos are wierd.

I love the cute little either / or, the world is all black and white, blogger types. They like to keep things tidy.

Reality is, it goes both ways. The comment (sans reference to Ty) is not a criticism of RJ if the claim is he could be a contrary influence. Fact is, freshmen athletes coming into college tend to listen to those their senior (culture is inhereited), and in the case of next year, that would be RJ and his ways. Fact is, RJ had some ups and downs with the Don this year, and while I'm no insider, I saw the product on the floor from RJ at times to look lethargic and dispassionate and very inconsistent in effort. He would appear and disappear.

Dispute those facts.

Now try and dispute this - there is an advantage to not having that kind of influence around the young kids, considering that even with that influence, we are unlikely to accomplish an appreciably better record (i.e., his presence wouldn't be the difference between us getting a bid to the NCAAT).

This, dear boy, is called the silver lining. The advantage of having RJ back next year is a couple more wins. The advantage to him not coming back is that the Don will be able to mold the culture of this team and personality of the players without any, let's say, "hold-over" influence.

That's not shitting on RJ. It's recognizing that the advantages of him declaring have a higher upside than the advantages from him coming back for his senior season.

I don't want him to leave becasue I dislike him. I'm just not crying like a baby at the thought of it, because I'm willing to see the advantages. RJ made the same evaluations I did, by the way, in deciding that it is in his interest to leave rather than come back to play for a frosh-laden team that won't sniff the tournament, coached by someone with whom he has had some obvious friction.

And last point, RJ speaking "highly" of the Don in the above article is pure PR on his part. He cannot afford to appear uncoachable if he wants to maximize his draft stock. Get him in private, and I bet you get a whole different picture.

[claver2010]

Get him in private, and I bet you get a whole different picture.

Whoah whoah whoah hoops weirdo, keep it to the recruiting thread!*

*i respek you & your CONTENT!

[b0mberMan]

Who wants to put bets on when someone will say he needs to leave so he's not a bad influence on the incoming freshman like Ty Rice was?

You hoops wierdos are wierd.

I love the cute little either / or, the world is all black and white, blogger types. They like to keep things tidy.

Reality is, it goes both ways. The comment (sans reference to Ty) is not a criticism of RJ if the claim is he could be a contrary influence. Fact is, freshmen athletes coming into college tend to listen to those their senior (culture is inhereited), and in the case of next year, that would be RJ and his ways. Fact is, RJ had some ups and downs with the Don this year, and while I'm no insider, I saw the product on the floor from RJ at times to look lethargic and dispassionate and very inconsistent in effort. He would appear and disappear.

Dispute those facts.

Now try and dispute this - there is an advantage to not having that kind of influence around the young kids, considering that even with that influence, we are unlikely to accomplish an appreciably better record (i.e., his presence wouldn't be the difference between us getting a bid to the NCAAT).

This, dear boy, is called the silver lining. The advantage of having RJ back next year is a couple more wins. The advantage to him not coming back is that the Don will be able to mold the culture of this team and personality of the players without any, let's say, "hold-over" influence.

That's not shitting on RJ. It's recognizing that the advantages of him declaring have a higher upside than the advantages from him coming back for his senior season.

I don't want him to leave becasue I dislike him. I'm just not crying like a baby at the thought of it, because I'm willing to see the advantages. RJ made the same evaluations I did, by the way, in deciding that it is in his interest to leave rather than come back to play for a frosh-laden team that won't sniff the tournament, coached by someone with whom he has had some obvious friction.

And last point, RJ speaking "highly" of the Don in the above article is pure PR on his part. He cannot afford to appear uncoachable if he wants to maximize his draft stock. Get him in private, and I bet you get a whole different picture.

Somebody hit a nerve. I realize that Reggie is the difference between a losing ACC season and a less-losing but still losing ACC season next year. I just do find it funny that once a guy is leaving, everyone knows he's making a bad decision and/or all the bad stuff comes out as justification for why we're better off. There's a definite jilted-lover feel when this happens from youo hoops wierdos.

[Bumpers]

Who wants to put bets on when someone will say he needs to leave so he's not a bad influence on the incoming freshman like Ty Rice was?

You hoops wierdos are wierd.

I love the cute little either / or, the world is all black and white, blogger types. They like to keep things tidy.

Reality is, it goes both ways. The comment (sans reference to Ty) is not a criticism of RJ if the claim is he could be a contrary influence. Fact is, freshmen athletes coming into college tend to listen to those their senior (culture is inhereited), and in the case of next year, that would be RJ and his ways. Fact is, RJ had some ups and downs with the Don this year, and while I'm no insider, I saw the product on the floor from RJ at times to look lethargic and dispassionate and very inconsistent in effort. He would appear and disappear.

Dispute those facts.

Now try and dispute this - there is an advantage to not having that kind of influence around the young kids, considering that even with that influence, we are unlikely to accomplish an appreciably better record (i.e., his presence wouldn't be the difference between us getting a bid to the NCAAT).

This, dear boy, is called the silver lining. The advantage of having RJ back next year is a couple more wins. The advantage to him not coming back is that the Don will be able to mold the culture of this team and personality of the players without any, let's say, "hold-over" influence.

That's not shitting on RJ. It's recognizing that the advantages of him declaring have a higher upside than the advantages from him coming back for his senior season.

I don't want him to leave becasue I dislike him. I'm just not crying like a baby at the thought of it, because I'm willing to see the advantages. RJ made the same evaluations I did, by the way, in deciding that it is in his interest to leave rather than come back to play for a frosh-laden team that won't sniff the tournament, coached by someone with whom he has had some obvious friction.

And last point, RJ speaking "highly" of the Don in the above article is pure PR on his part. He cannot afford to appear uncoachable if he wants to maximize his draft stock. Get him in private, and I bet you get a whole different picture.

Somebody hit a nerve. I realize that Reggie is the difference between a losing ACC season and a less-losing but still losing ACC season next year. I just do find it funny that once a guy is leaving, everyone knows he's making a bad decision and/or all the bad stuff comes out as justification for why we're better off. There's a definite jilted-lover feel when this happens from youo hoops wierdos.

Having never been jilted in love, I'll defer to you to properly read the signs. All I can tell you is, I see an upside to his leaving better than him staying. What's so wrong with that? What's your love affair with RJ, anyway? You are starting to bear the hallmarks of a hoops wierdo, if you ask me.

[eagle9903]

Who wants to put bets on when someone will say he needs to leave so he's not a bad influence on the incoming freshman like Ty Rice was?

You hoops wierdos are wierd.

I love the cute little either / or, the world is all black and white, blogger types. They like to keep things tidy.

Reality is, it goes both ways. The comment (sans reference to Ty) is not a criticism of RJ if the claim is he could be a contrary influence. Fact is, freshmen athletes coming into college tend to listen to those their senior (culture is inhereited), and in the case of next year, that would be RJ and his ways. Fact is, RJ had some ups and downs with the Don this year, and while I'm no insider, I saw the product on the floor from RJ at times to look lethargic and dispassionate and very inconsistent in effort. He would appear and disappear.

Dispute those facts.

Now try and dispute this - there is an advantage to not having that kind of influence around the young kids, considering that even with that influence, we are unlikely to accomplish an appreciably better record (i.e., his presence wouldn't be the difference between us getting a bid to the NCAAT).

This, dear boy, is called the silver lining. The advantage of having RJ back next year is a couple more wins. The advantage to him not coming back is that the Don will be able to mold the culture of this team and personality of the players without any, let's say, "hold-over" influence.

That's not shitting on RJ. It's recognizing that the advantages of him declaring have a higher upside than the advantages from him coming back for his senior season.

I don't want him to leave becasue I dislike him. I'm just not crying like a baby at the thought of it, because I'm willing to see the advantages. RJ made the same evaluations I did, by the way, in deciding that it is in his interest to leave rather than come back to play for a frosh-laden team that won't sniff the tournament, coached by someone with whom he has had some obvious friction.

And last point, RJ speaking "highly" of the Don in the above article is pure PR on his part. He cannot afford to appear uncoachable if he wants to maximize his draft stock. Get him in private, and I bet you get a whole different picture.

I'd love to know which top players wouldn't have sulked playing for this under talented team this year, I'm not sure all around good guys like Dudley would have looked enthusiastic while the ball banked off poor Josh Southern hands for the fourth time in the half. That's not arguing that it can't be a positive to lose Reggie, although I personally doubt it will be.

Next year, with Reggie, the team could potentially be a bubble team if a shitload of things fell in the right direction. That would be a significantly better culture and atmosphere than getting blown out by the dregs of the ACC and probably some embarrassing OOC teams. A no-Reggie shit show next year could lead to transfers by homesick west coast players, it could lead to expectations of losing seasons, it will lead to lower attendance by our garbage fan base guaranteed. Now, conversely, Reggie could come back, decide he wants to join the Akida McClain crime family, or start living the **** ******* lifestyle, or just continue to look visibly unhappy on the court at times, but I would imagine if his goal is the NBA and he were to come back, such goal would ensure, if anything, a more motivated for personal reasons, Reggie.

I am curious to see whether Don recruited players are able to develop good chemistry with him. I certainly hope so and expect them to at this point.