twballgame9 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:angryty {l Wrote}:And Convict, I agree with you that the NL is an absolute joke. Was Jeff Fucking Weaver really a Game 1 starter in a playoff game? Really? Really? And he fucking won! Unbelievable. After the abortions I witnessed yesterday I think there needs to be an asterisk next to every Albert Pujols stat. He is an excellent player but he is playing against AAA competition. The Yankees, Red Sox and Angels should all be able to pile drive whatever team crawls out of the NL.
the cardinals were awful yesterday. they continued they're late season swoon. carpenter's performance was a huge letdown to say the least if not a total pounding. he gave up 4 earned in 5 innings and i think his whip was like almost 3. pujols was 0-3 but anytime there were men on base he was intentionally walked (twice).
they guy has gone at least .300-100-100-30 for basically 9 seasons playing gold-glove defense. i can't even comprehend how you can diminish those numbers. the guy has a 1.012 OPS in the postseason which includes 2 world series appearances.
You can diminish those numbers because he is playing against a league whose best pitchers are guys like Chris Carpenter. Enough said.
one bad game and the guy sucks? unbelievable. redsox fans are so damn fickle. i guess consistently losing those 86 years will do that to you.
* i respect you
One bad game? Seriously? Shall I go back and look at his stats when he used to pitch in the major leagues for Toronto? You are missing the point if you think it has anything to do with one bad game. Chris Carpenter is at best a 14-12, 4.35 pitcher if he pitched in the AL East.
I'd rather face Carpenter and Wainwright than Sabathia and Burnett, and I don't think much of the latter two as a playoff duo.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The three best pitching staffs on the playoffs are the Red Sox, Angels and Yankees. Then come the Phillies. Then it is not really worth talking about.
hansen {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The three best pitching staffs on the playoffs are the Red Sox, Angels and Yankees. Then come the Phillies. Then it is not really worth talking about.
i'm not taking the bait.
but, fwiw, odds to win the world series:
yanks 3-2
cards 4-1
red sox 4-1
angryty {l Wrote}:The Atlanta Braves beg to qualify your statement. Pitching wins a short series when all other things are equal. However, superior pitching can be consistently beaten by pretty good pitching backed up by a better line up--and therein is the problem for the Sox. Even if you want to give Beckett and Lester the benefit of the doubt despite getting clubbed like baby seals by the Yankees this year, one would have to be an innocent retardo level of stupid to deny that at the very least the pitching gap between the Yankees and Red Sox is very narrow. The same can't be said for the gap between the respective line ups. Hell, last years batting champ and MVP is clearly been outclassed by Robby Cano this year and Youk comes up short in comparison to the Yankees' 1b or 3b.
angryty {l Wrote}:Jimmy Key
buconvict {l Wrote}:angryty {l Wrote}:Jimmy Key
Jimmy Key, what's he, like 45? I could hit him.
Weaver didn't start, the immortal Randy Wolf did. And Hansen, the list of players who have gone from the NL to the AL and failed is only matched by those players who sucked in the AL and have found new life in the NL. You realize that, I'm sure of it.
buconvict {l Wrote}:angryty {l Wrote}:Jimmy Key
Jimmy Key, what's he, like 45? I could hit him.
Weaver didn't start, the immortal Randy Wolf did. And Hansen, the list of players who have gone from the NL to the AL and failed is only matched by those players who sucked in the AL and have found new life in the NL. You realize that, I'm sure of it.
angryty {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:angryty {l Wrote}:Jimmy Key
With respect to the AL v NL debate there is one trend that cannot be denied--aging pitchers who are done in the AL suddenly are rejuvenated when they move over to the NL (see Martinez, Pedro; Moyer, Jamie; and a dozen other examples--also note that Randy Johnson was absolutely useless during his last go round in the AL but is still a serviceable NL pitcher, you can even say the same for the steroid fueled greatness of Roger Clemens when he went from the Stros to his curtain call with Los Yanquis.
hansen {l Wrote}:oh well, it's time for game 2 of the NLDS... hopefully wainwright and the cards can get their shxt together for this game.
go cards!!
hansen {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:oh well, it's time for game 2 of the NLDS... hopefully wainwright and the cards can get their shxt together for this game.
go cards!!
hansen {l Wrote}:hansen {l Wrote}:oh well, it's time for game 2 of the NLDS... hopefully wainwright and the cards can get their shxt together for this game.
go cards!!
angryty {l Wrote}:buconvict {l Wrote}:angryty {l Wrote}:Jimmy Key
Jimmy Key, what's he, like 45? I could hit him.
Weaver didn't start, the immortal Randy Wolf did. And Hansen, the list of players who have gone from the NL to the AL and failed is only matched by those players who sucked in the AL and have found new life in the NL. You realize that, I'm sure of it.
I realize that you are younger than me and not a Yankees fan, but if you were a sentient being and a sports fan in 1996 you will remember that Key and Cone were the anchors of the staff (Young Andy Pettite pitched brilliantly in game four of the WS). Key was lights out in the crucial Game 6 of the WS.
With respect to the AL v NL debate there is one trend that cannot be denied--aging pitchers who are done in the AL suddenly are rejuvenated when they move over to the NL (see Martinez, Pedro; Moyer, Jamie; and a dozen other examples--also note that Randy Johnson was absolutely useless during his last go round in the AL but is still a serviceable NL pitcher, you can even say the same for the steroid fueled greatness of Roger Clemens when he went from the Stros to his curtain call with Los Yanquis.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Wainwright looked great tonight. Whoops.
Vlad Guerrero is the most overrated player in baseball history. That is all. God he fucking sucks. Swing at another ball you fucking stiff.
I could get Vlad out.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Wainwright looked great tonight. Whoops.
Vlad Guerrero is the most overrated player in baseball history. That is all. God he fucking sucks. Swing at another ball you fucking stiff.
I could get Vlad out.
branchinator {l Wrote}:Sox bats + road game =
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:Sox bats + road game =
Afuckenmen. But god forbid Terry Douchebag bunts. Enter buconvict to discuss Moneyball shit.
branchinator {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:Sox bats + road game =
Afuckenmen. But god forbid Terry Douchebag bunts. Enter buconvict to discuss Moneyball shit.
I'd almost rather have Varitek in there. At least he strikes out whereas Lowell's sloth ass grounds into a DP every other at bat.
branchinator {l Wrote}:It still boggles my mind how pitchers consistently walk Abreu despite the fact that he....DOESN'T EVER FUCKING SWING. One mistake is all it takes. Beckett had better bring it or this series will be a short one.
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