DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Stupid Theo....the Crawford signing totally messes up the whole L-R-L thing. Not to mention we now have three #3 hitters - Crawford, Gonz, Youk - but no true #4. Plus with Pedey at 2, you can't put Crawford there, either.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Stupid Theo....the Crawford signing totally messes up the whole L-R-L thing. Not to mention we now have three #3 hitters - Crawford, Gonz, Youk - but no true #4. Plus with Pedey at 2, you can't put Crawford there, either.
Plus he stinks. He hits .310, scores 100 runs, and steals 70 bases, but he is not good because his OPS is not high enough.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Stupid Theo....the Crawford signing totally messes up the whole L-R-L thing. Not to mention we now have three #3 hitters - Crawford, Gonz, Youk - but no true #4. Plus with Pedey at 2, you can't put Crawford there, either.
Plus he stinks. He hits .310, scores 100 runs, and steals 70 bases, but he is not good because his OPS is not high enough.
His OPS is top 15 in the AL...but it's ok keep being ignorant. This is a good move, especially since we can ensure Cameron will play against lefties at the expense of Drew or Ortiz.
"I don't like the contract. But I love the player. You have to applaud the aggressiveness."..."If beer goes up by 50 cents, you'll be pissed. But you'll deal with it because you have a stud in left and a stud at first."
bignick33 {l Wrote}:Andy Gresh:"I don't like the contract. But I love the player. You have to applaud the aggressiveness."..."If beer goes up by 50 cents, you'll be pissed. But you'll deal with it because you have a stud in left and a stud at first."
Pretty good summary.
shockdoct {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Andy Gresh:"I don't like the contract. But I love the player. You have to applaud the aggressiveness."..."If beer goes up by 50 cents, you'll be pissed. But you'll deal with it because you have a stud in left and a stud at first."
Pretty good summary.
Can I get a ruling from Board Judge on using the forbidden word to describe a 28 yr old man?
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Stupid Theo....the Crawford signing totally messes up the whole L-R-L thing. Not to mention we now have three #3 hitters - Crawford, Gonz, Youk - but no true #4. Plus with Pedey at 2, you can't put Crawford there, either.
Plus he stinks. He hits .310, scores 100 runs, and steals 70 bases, but he is not good because his OPS is not high enough.
His OPS is top 15 in the AL...but it's ok keep being ignorant. This is a good move, especially since we can ensure Cameron will play against lefties at the expense of Drew or Ortiz.
Pretty sure 9 was being sarcastic.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:shockdoct {l Wrote}:bignick33 {l Wrote}:Andy Gresh:"I don't like the contract. But I love the player. You have to applaud the aggressiveness."..."If beer goes up by 50 cents, you'll be pissed. But you'll deal with it because you have a stud in left and a stud at first."
Pretty good summary.
Can I get a ruling from Board Judge on using the forbidden word to describe a 28 yr old man?
I WAS QUOTING.
bignick33 {l Wrote}:Red Sox outfiend = SPEED
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Stupid Theo....the Crawford signing totally messes up the whole L-R-L thing. Not to mention we now have three #3 hitters - Crawford, Gonz, Youk - but no true #4. Plus with Pedey at 2, you can't put Crawford there, either.
Plus he stinks. He hits .310, scores 100 runs, and steals 70 bases, but he is not good because his OPS is not high enough.
His OPS is top 15 in the AL...but it's ok keep being ignorant. This is a good move, especially since we can ensure Cameron will play against lefties at the expense of Drew or Ortiz.
Pretty sure 9 was being sarcastic.
No he's just a moron.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:This definitely puts the Sox in contention for the next 3 years, at minimum. Crawford will be a fantastic asset in the field, on the bases and with his bat.
As to the length of the deal- barring injury or serious decline by year 4, it doesn't really matter. If Crawford puts up similar #s to his past 3 years for 4 years, then drops off at 5-10% per year, then you have a grossly overpaid player who earned his money in his first few years and is collecting an inflated premium at the end. The Sox will GLADLY live with that financially. This also generates great buzz for the team and will shut up the mongoloids blabbing about ratings/interest being down. In short, this will galvanize Pink Hat Nation to spend more money; the true fans never went anywhere. It is a fallicy that the Sox would be crippled by a bad contract like this (Drew and Dice K haven't kept them down).
The only foreseeable problem is his legs. Crawford's game is special (there are other corner outfielders that hit for power and average) because of his ability to steal bases and extend hits (ground outs into singles, singles into doubles, etc.). Although he's relatively young, he's entering his 10th (9th full) big league season, so he's got some miles on those tires. If his speed tails off due to age, he's going to have to alter his game.
With all this being written, as I wrote in the hot stove thread, I still think the Sox need to get their pitching in order. This does not mean they need a new arm, only that I question the wisdom of trotting out the same staff and expecting the issues from last year to resolve themselves.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:This definitely puts the Sox in contention for the next 3 years, at minimum. Crawford will be a fantastic asset in the field, on the bases and with his bat.
As to the length of the deal- barring injury or serious decline by year 4, it doesn't really matter. If Crawford puts up similar #s to his past 3 years for 4 years, then drops off at 5-10% per year, then you have a grossly overpaid player who earned his money in his first few years and is collecting an inflated premium at the end. The Sox will GLADLY live with that financially. This also generates great buzz for the team and will shut up the mongoloids blabbing about ratings/interest being down. In short, this will galvanize Pink Hat Nation to spend more money; the true fans never went anywhere. It is a fallicy that the Sox would be crippled by a bad contract like this (Drew and Dice K haven't kept them down).
The only foreseeable problem is his legs. Crawford's game is special (there are other corner outfielders that hit for power and average) because of his ability to steal bases and extend hits (ground outs into singles, singles into doubles, etc.). Although he's relatively young, he's entering his 10th (9th full) big league season, so he's got some miles on those tires. If his speed tails off due to age, he's going to have to alter his game.
With all this being written, as I wrote in the hot stove thread, I still think the Sox need to get their pitching in order. This does not mean they need a new arm, only that I question the wisdom of trotting out the same staff and expecting the issues from last year to resolve themselves.
I think Beckett and Lackey have a bounce back season. You've got two great arms at the top in Lester and Buccholtz. Dice-K is fine as a 5th starter. The Sox some depth behind Papelbon and Bard because after that it gets ugly. Doubront and Atchinson are fine, but they're not who I want coming in the 7th inning. Taylor Buccholz is intriguing.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:This definitely puts the Sox in contention for the next 3 years, at minimum. Crawford will be a fantastic asset in the field, on the bases and with his bat.
As to the length of the deal- barring injury or serious decline by year 4, it doesn't really matter. If Crawford puts up similar #s to his past 3 years for 4 years, then drops off at 5-10% per year, then you have a grossly overpaid player who earned his money in his first few years and is collecting an inflated premium at the end. The Sox will GLADLY live with that financially. This also generates great buzz for the team and will shut up the mongoloids blabbing about ratings/interest being down. In short, this will galvanize Pink Hat Nation to spend more money; the true fans never went anywhere. It is a fallicy that the Sox would be crippled by a bad contract like this (Drew and Dice K haven't kept them down).
The only foreseeable problem is his legs. Crawford's game is special (there are other corner outfielders that hit for power and average) because of his ability to steal bases and extend hits (ground outs into singles, singles into doubles, etc.). Although he's relatively young, he's entering his 10th (9th full) big league season, so he's got some miles on those tires. If his speed tails off due to age, he's going to have to alter his game.
With all this being written, as I wrote in the hot stove thread, I still think the Sox need to get their pitching in order. This does not mean they need a new arm, only that I question the wisdom of trotting out the same staff and expecting the issues from last year to resolve themselves.
I think Beckett and Lackey have a bounce back season. You've got two great arms at the top in Lester and Buccholtz. Dice-K is fine as a 5th starter. The Sox some depth behind Papelbon and Bard because after that it gets ugly. Doubront and Atchinson are fine, but they're not who I want coming in the 7th inning. Taylor Buccholz is intriguing.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:This definitely puts the Sox in contention for the next 3 years, at minimum. Crawford will be a fantastic asset in the field, on the bases and with his bat.
As to the length of the deal- barring injury or serious decline by year 4, it doesn't really matter. If Crawford puts up similar #s to his past 3 years for 4 years, then drops off at 5-10% per year, then you have a grossly overpaid player who earned his money in his first few years and is collecting an inflated premium at the end. The Sox will GLADLY live with that financially. This also generates great buzz for the team and will shut up the mongoloids blabbing about ratings/interest being down. In short, this will galvanize Pink Hat Nation to spend more money; the true fans never went anywhere. It is a fallicy that the Sox would be crippled by a bad contract like this (Drew and Dice K haven't kept them down).
The only foreseeable problem is his legs. Crawford's game is special (there are other corner outfielders that hit for power and average) because of his ability to steal bases and extend hits (ground outs into singles, singles into doubles, etc.). Although he's relatively young, he's entering his 10th (9th full) big league season, so he's got some miles on those tires. If his speed tails off due to age, he's going to have to alter his game.
With all this being written, as I wrote in the hot stove thread, I still think the Sox need to get their pitching in order. This does not mean they need a new arm, only that I question the wisdom of trotting out the same staff and expecting the issues from last year to resolve themselves.
I think Beckett and Lackey have a bounce back season. You've got two great arms at the top in Lester and Buccholtz. Dice-K is fine as a 5th starter. The Sox some depth behind Papelbon and Bard because after that it gets ugly. Doubront and Atchinson are fine, but they're not who I want coming in the 7th inning. Taylor Buccholz is intriguing.
We'll see about the staff. What has Lackey shown that gives you confidence in him? Beckett is one more injury away from being damaged goods.
They could also both have good seasons. I just don't think you can count on Beckett as a solid #2 and Lackey as a #3.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:I can't get past the 12.72 IP.
Edit: If it's Lackey, his post-ASB numbers indicate he could slot into the #3 spot quite nicely. And if he improves on those numbers the Sox rotation will be even more dangerous.
cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Neither of those are Lackey. The first one is Beckett. Not sure who the second is.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Neither of those are Lackey. The first one is Beckett. Not sure who the second is.
Correct. The second one is...A.J Burnett. He had better numbers, as ghastly and profane as that sounds.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Neither of those are Lackey. The first one is Beckett. Not sure who the second is.
Correct. The second one is...A.J Burnett. He had better numbers, as ghastly and profane as that sounds.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Neither of those are Lackey. The first one is Beckett. Not sure who the second is.
Correct. The second one is...A.J Burnett. He had better numbers, as ghastly and profane as that sounds.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:cvilleagle {l Wrote}:Neither of those are Lackey. The first one is Beckett. Not sure who the second is.
Correct. The second one is...A.J Burnett. He had better numbers, as ghastly and profane as that sounds.
Beckett was hurt most of the first half.
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