DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I think we are right where we should be now
for a team that is playing so many 1st and 2nd year players. IIRC, our few 'glory' seasons featured senior QBs starting for their third or fourth year, this after red-shirting. Before last year, when was the last time we had a true or even redshirt FR at QB and what was the season result? Every TOB QB I can think of was in his fourth year before he started a game. And do we have any receivers that played the position on a college field last year?
Plus the last few years, we caught some traditionally strong programs on the downside. Yes, we beat ND a lot, but so did most other teams. Same with FSU and Miami. Now, like it or not, they are back and the wins won't be as frequent against them.
RIght now on offense, we have the players to compete, just not the experience. Even with that, we are likely to still make a bowl. TOB has an unusually strong team this year, kinda like WF a few years ago. VT, ND and FSU are all BCS contenders. The other teams on the schedule, not so much.
So where's the fault?
Not with Spaz or Tranquill. If the young, 'hot' coach everyone wants had taken over for Jags, wouldn't he have said "I need 3-4 years to implement my system, the first two years might be rough". And we would be accepting these losses with more patience. How complicated a game plan can an OC devise with pure rookies? The game plan hasn't been the problem, the execution has, but that goes back to the experience level.
Not with Shinskie. We started out 8-4 with him as a pure FR. He's not an elite QB, but didn't have the 2-3 years of preparation that any of our last dozen or so QBs had, either. Spaz was right playing him to start the year, just as he was right in replacing him after VT. If we ended up with him as starter against MD, VA, Syracuse, WF, etc. I'd be fine and expect a win.
GDF? He hired the coach who implemented a different system for two years that now has to be 'undone'. Enough said.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:"I think we are right where we should be now
for a team that is playing so many 1st and 2nd year players. IIRC, our few 'glory' seasons featured senior QBs starting for their third or fourth year, this after red-shirting. Before last year, when was the last time we had a true or even redshirt FR at QB and what was the season result? Every TOB QB I can think of was in his fourth year before he started a game. And do we have any receivers that played the position on a college field last year?
Plus the last few years, we caught some traditionally strong programs on the downside. Yes, we beat ND a lot, but so did most other teams. Same with FSU and Miami. Now, like it or not, they are back and the wins won't be as frequent against them.
RIght now on offense, we have the players to compete, just not the experience. Even with that, we are likely to still make a bowl. TOB has an unusually strong team this year, kinda like WF a few years ago. VT, ND and FSU are all BCS contenders. The other teams on the schedule, not so much.
So where's the fault?
Not with Spaz or Tranquill. If the young, 'hot' coach everyone wants had taken over for Jags, wouldn't he have said "I need 3-4 years to implement my system, the first two years might be rough". And we would be accepting these losses with more patience. How complicated a game plan can an OC devise with pure rookies? The game plan hasn't been the problem, the execution has, but that goes back to the experience level.
Not with Shinskie. We started out 8-4 with him as a pure FR. He's not an elite QB, but didn't have the 2-3 years of preparation that any of our last dozen or so QBs had, either. Spaz was right playing him to start the year, just as he was right in replacing him after VT. If we ended up with him as starter against MD, VA, Syracuse, WF, etc. I'd be fine and expect a win.
GDF? He hired the coach who implemented a different system for two years that now has to be 'undone'. Enough said."
WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:
"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:Two responses for you HJS. name each one.
"I don't need to defend Line Judge as he is a great guy and can handle himself, but you're attacking a friend for no reason whatsoever.
Hrs a great fan with whom I've exchanged dozens of emails who is also one of the most knowledgeable posters on this or any board.
While I do not share his drastic view of the program, I'm struggling to hold on to my view and not see the logic in his.
I would appreciate if you would stop ending the lions share of your posts with personal attacks on good posters on this board.
Thanks"
"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:Two responses for you HJS. name each one.
"I don't need to defend Line Judge as he is a great guy and can handle himself, but you're attacking a friend for no reason whatsoever.
Hrs a great fan with whom I've exchanged dozens of emails who is also one of the most knowledgeable posters on this or any board.
While I do not share his drastic view of the program, I'm struggling to hold on to my view and not see the logic in his.
I would appreciate if you would stop ending the lions share of your posts with personal attacks on good posters on this board.
Thanks"
"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
Thank you BC72 for a logical commonsense reasoning as to BC's current troubles. What more needs to be said? We are paying the price for Jags' horrific recruiting - especially on offense. Well, two years later, with most of the pre-Jags era players gone, the evidence is here for everyone to see.
As mentioned before, all you need to do is look at the number of true and redshirt freshmen starting or in the 2-deep and you get a very good picture as to what has gone on.
We all saw this 2 years ago. Many on this board back then commented about Jags' lackluster recruiting and how we would eventually pay for it. Well, the bill has now come due!
Frankly, I never really thought Jags was right for BC. You only have to look at how he rode Kenny Plue out of BC after BC had offered him a scholarship. Does anyone think Plue would not be a tremendous help right now??
WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
ryrob {l Wrote}:WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
Funny (and pathetic) story regarding Codi Boek as told to me by someone who is friends with him. Boek was told last year that he wouldn't be getting any QB time, but that he could still contribute on special teams. This was his RS Jr year. Now, the coaches have to decide if they're going to bring back RS Srs for a 5th year. Boek went into the meeting with Spaz in the offseason and said that he was committed to helping the team in any way possible if they wanted to bring him back for a 5th year. Spaz replied increduously, "Wait, you didn't graduate yet?" Literally had no idea that Boek had another year of eligibility. The HC of our program folks.
ryrob {l Wrote}:WilpertsRevenge {l Wrote}:"If Rettig can't go then give Codi Boek a shot. He's put his time in on the Scout Squad and can't possibly do any worse than UD and MM. Besides he's a senior and will be gone next year, this is his last chance to get playing time at BC."
Funny (and pathetic) story regarding Codi Boek as told to me by someone who is friends with him. Boek was told last year that he wouldn't be getting any QB time, but that he could still contribute on special teams. This was his RS Jr year. Now, the coaches have to decide if they're going to bring back RS Srs for a 5th year. Boek went into the meeting with Spaz in the offseason and said that he was committed to helping the team in any way possible if they wanted to bring him back for a 5th year. Spaz replied increduously, "Wait, you didn't graduate yet?" Literally had no idea that Boek had another year of eligibility. The HC of our program folks.
HJS {l Wrote}:Maybe if Cedorchuck went to back-2-back National Championship finals, Timmy would have a decent point. I'm always amazed at how most people are unable to create analogies.
campion {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:Being totally honest here... I totally equate...
You totally sound like Hannah Montana.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Don't Jump -- Florida has dropped 3 straight
"I know the O is terrible & the D has been lacking in critical games and key moments, but don't jump. It also happens to "the factories". Florida has dropped 2 straight home games and lost 3 consecutive games for the first time since the Steve Spurrier era."
31southst {l Wrote}:DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Don't Jump -- Florida has dropped 3 straight
"I know the O is terrible & the D has been lacking in critical games and key moments, but don't jump. It also happens to "the factories". Florida has dropped 2 straight home games and lost 3 consecutive games for the first time since the Steve Spurrier era."
Spaz and Urban Meyer have similar accomplishments in their coaching careers, so this comparison is warranted.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:From VILL
Re: Let's hear it for G D F!!!
Lets not give smiling Jags too much credit here...he inherited Matt Ryan and won the second year with Spaz,s D and players recruited mainly by TOB....and left us with a legacy of QB,s like DD,Tuggle,Johnson, Boeck,and MM...i am willing to bet the kids Spaz has already vrought in will be a much better group than that(Logan..I love the way the ball comes off MM,s hand..yeah him and the coach of Bryant)
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