branchinator {l Wrote}:I'm a Red Sox fan so your whole premise is off-base. But I'm also a realist. Add Lee to the Yankees' rotation and the 2010 MLB playoffs will be a mere formality barring some kind of major injury for the Yankees or another major acquisition for either the Red Sox or Rays. I'm excluding the NL because it's a joke.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:I'm a Red Sox fan so your whole premise is off-base. But I'm also a realist. Add Lee to the Yankees' rotation and the 2010 MLB playoffs will be a mere formality barring some kind of major injury for the Yankees or another major acquisition for either the Red Sox or Rays. I'm excluding the NL because it's a joke.
Well, my whole premise is centered around the teams and talent, so it's obviously a huge relief that you're a Sox fan. Way to give up, by the way. I thought that loser mentality died with the drought.
branchinator {l Wrote}:The Red Sox have no chance of beating the Yankees this year even if they make the playoffs. There isn't a single pitcher in the Red Sox rotation who the Yankees wouldn't destroy except maybe Lester. And then there's that whole bullpen thing that the Red Sox haven't quite figured out.
branchinator {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:I'm a Red Sox fan so your whole premise is off-base. But I'm also a realist. Add Lee to the Yankees' rotation and the 2010 MLB playoffs will be a mere formality barring some kind of major injury for the Yankees or another major acquisition for either the Red Sox or Rays. I'm excluding the NL because it's a joke.
Well, my whole premise is centered around the teams and talent, so it's obviously a huge relief that you're a Sox fan. Way to give up, by the way. I thought that loser mentality died with the drought.
The Yankees with Lee would have a better lineup, rotation, and bullpen. You really should switch to following a sport you might understand better. Maybe tennis?
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:branchinator {l Wrote}:The Red Sox have no chance of beating the Yankees this year even if they make the playoffs. There isn't a single pitcher in the Red Sox rotation who the Yankees wouldn't destroy except maybe Lester. And then there's that whole bullpen thing that the Red Sox haven't quite figured out.
Sure, if you assume the Lee deal goes through, that A-Rod has officially left his turtle-Rod playoff rep behind, Tex does anything, a 38 year old pitcher continues on his torrid pace for another 4 months, Granderson does anything, Gardner and Cano continue to play at a high level...
branchinator {l Wrote}:
I was hoping it would come to this.
branchinator {l Wrote}:Of course, my whole post was predicated on Lee going to the Yankees. Now that he's in Texas, this whole discussion is moot.
branchinator {l Wrote}:1) "A-Rod has officially left his turtle-Rod playoff rep behind" - A-Rod's career playoff OPS is .977. In Seattle, he performed well in the postseason. All of this "turtle-rod" stuff is the result of his 2005 and 2006 ALDS performances where he did suck pretty hard and the slapping incident in the 2004 ALCS. However, in the 2004 ALCS he had a respectable .895 OPS. Isn't using real stats instead of your incredibly uninformed opinions fun?
branchinator {l Wrote}:2) "Tex does anything" - Mark Teixeira currently has 17 HRs and 59 RBI's. He has done "anything". His avg and obp are below career norms right now and he's always been a second half player. Here come some pesky stats again: for his career, Teixeira's 1st half OPS is .872. In the 2nd half, it's .968, almost 100 points better. So, if anything, the Yankees can count on MORE from him in the 2nd half of a season where he's already produced solid power numbers.
branchinator {l Wrote}:3) "A 38 year old pitcher continues on his torrid pace for another 4 months" - This is probably the least moronic part of your post because there should be some regression from Pettitte. However, if the Yankees had traded for Lee, this wouldn't have been an issue because he'd be the 3rd or 4th starter in the playoffs.
branchinator {l Wrote}:4) "Granderson does anything" - This is the 7th or 8th batter in the Yankees lineup. He doesn't need to be an all-star for them to succeed. The Yankees' record to-date clearly shows this.
branchinator {l Wrote}:5) "Gardner and Cano continue to play at a high level" - Brett Gardner looks to me like a young player who's taking advantage of the first real opportunity he's ever had. And he's the 9th hitter. If he regresses a bit, it won't matter. As for Cano, he's a very good hitter entering the prime of his career. There's no reason why he can't finish the season with a .900+ OPS.
branchinator {l Wrote}:So, to recap, my original post was to say that the Red Sox would have no chance to beat the Yankees if they acquired Cliff Lee. That is obviously an opinion and I never presented it as fact. When I do present things as fact, I use real stats, which is obviously something that your baseless post above lacked.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:With about 65 games remaining, the Yankees have a 2.5 game lead on the Rays (3 in the loss) and 7 on the Sox (8 in the loss). This is slightly worse for the Sox than when '74 originally marked them muerto. They have been gutted by injuries at key positions, but seem poised to regain several key players for the last 50 games or so. What are the realistic odds of the Sox making the cut? 1-4? And if they do make the playoffs, can they just give the Cy Young to Lester by acclamation?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:With about 65 games remaining, the Yankees have a 2.5 game lead on the Rays (3 in the loss) and 7 on the Sox (8 in the loss). This is slightly worse for the Sox than when '74 originally marked them muerto. They have been gutted by injuries at key positions, but seem poised to regain several key players for the last 50 games or so. What are the realistic odds of the Sox making the cut? 1-4? And if they do make the playoffs, can they just give the Cy Young to Lester by acclamation?
The Sox are more than 50% likely to make the playoffs. This lull is all about injuries, and Buchholz, Beckett, VMart, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Hermida all start rolling in now.
You don't win with Cash at C, Eric Patterson at 2B and an outfield of McDonald, Nava and Drew.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:With about 65 games remaining, the Yankees have a 2.5 game lead on the Rays (3 in the loss) and 7 on the Sox (8 in the loss). This is slightly worse for the Sox than when '74 originally marked them muerto. They have been gutted by injuries at key positions, but seem poised to regain several key players for the last 50 games or so. What are the realistic odds of the Sox making the cut? 1-4? And if they do make the playoffs, can they just give the Cy Young to Lester by acclamation?
The Sox are more than 50% likely to make the playoffs. This lull is all about injuries, and Buchholz, Beckett, VMart, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Hermida all start rolling in now.
You don't win with Cash at C, Eric Patterson at 2B and an outfield of McDonald, Nava and Drew.
We agree on the reason for the lull. The problem is that I'm skeptical of their ability to pull ahead given the limited window and assuming some adjustment period for the injured players. This is especially so for Beckett.
bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Red Sox are muerto.
Tampa Bay has matured.
Better make a trade Theo, but even then, its too late.
MUERTO.
BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Red Sox are muerto.
Tampa Bay has matured.
Better make a trade Theo, but even then, its too late.
MUERTO.
May 18th
HGAW.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
EagleNYC {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
I don't see how August is more or less critical than September. These aren't the 1978 Red Sox (who had a shitty August and outstanding September). There are 6 more games w/Tampa (split home/away) and 10 more with the Yankees (7 away, 3 home). There are also 6 more w/Baltimore. It can definitely be done, we'll see how it plays out. As a Yankee fan
Someone needs to put together a motivational poster or something. Or maybe then can sign President Palmer.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:EagleNYC {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
I don't see how August is more or less critical than September. These aren't the 1978 Red Sox (who had a shitty August and outstanding September). There are 6 more games w/Tampa (split home/away) and 10 more with the Yankees (7 away, 3 home). There are also 6 more w/Baltimore. It can definitely be done, we'll see how it plays out. As a Yankee fan
Someone needs to put together a motivational poster or something. Or maybe then can sign President Palmer.
Well yeah. The point of my post was to call out the Sox's "annual August slide" for being the bullshit that it is.
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
Amen brother.
Bill Hall, 10th dong. Eff you Pedro.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
Amen brother.
Bill Hall, 10th dong. Eff you Pedro.
Sure, his 6th since being forced into starting. I guess we can just ignore the .237 BA (where he was supposed to improve dramatically with an every day role), right big fella? I suppose you're just goading me for a response, though, right?
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:bcsoxfan12 {l Wrote}:By the time the Sox get healthy I fear it will be too late and the annual August slide is right around the corner
What the fuck is the annual August slide besides something you made up?
Edit: I figured it out. "Annual" refers to August of 2006 when Jason Johnson and Kyle Snyder prominently featured in the Red Sox rotation. They've been over .500, usually comfortably so, in August in all other years with Tito at the helm.
Amen brother.
Bill Hall, 10th dong. Eff you Pedro.
Sure, his 6th since being forced into starting. I guess we can just ignore the .237 BA (where he was supposed to improve dramatically with an every day role), right big fella? I suppose you're just goading me for a response, though, right?
Hit his 11th yesterday, Thought you moneyball guys didn't care about mundane things like batting average.
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