NorthEndEagle {l Wrote}:cat hair pee fire
b0mberMan {l Wrote}:Did any rumor as to what exactly Montgomery did come out?
claver2010 {l Wrote}:i think kreider will (rightfully) ask for more than 5 years. i do agree with your idea though, eventually you have to switch from giving up proven talent for prospects to actually keeping those impact players.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:. The frustrating thing is that if they could just get through next year you get Hank, Smith and Staal off the books and out from under the Girardi buyout, which frees up a lot of money.
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Strange trade for the Blueshirts. They trade their best young defensive prospect, Joey Keane, who has been lighting it up in Hartford and was actually called up last week with the thought he would anchor the 2nd line PP until DeAngelo recovered from whatever malady he was suffering from. Keane was a 3rd round 2018 draft choice and is 20 years old. In return they get Julien Gauthier, who was Carolina's 2016 1st rounder. He is a big, fast kid, who allegedly has a high hockey IQ, and while he has lit it up in Charlotte the last couple of years, he has only managed to play in 5 NHL games this year.
I don't want to read too much into what looks like a bad trade on paper and I know that the Rangers have stockpiled defensive prospects and are a bit light with respect to forwards, especially with the way Lars Andersson crashed and burned as a top-10 pick (joining the Rangers Wall of Draft Shame next to Manny Malhotra, Hugh Jessiman, Al Montoya, Pavel Brendl, Dylan Mcillrath, Bobby Sanguinetti, Jeff Brown, Dan Blackburn, Jamie Lundmark)* but I think this seems to telegraph that they are going to pay DeAngelo and probably going to let either Kreider or Fast or both go.
*Holy shit. I know the Rangers have sucked at drafting talent, but if anyone wants to see why we have 1 Stanley Cup in the last 80 years take a look at that list. You simply cannot whiff on that many drafts and get to the top of the mountain--particularly post salary cap where you can no longer win a cup by buying away free agents in unlimited numbers from small market teams and trade prospects (Doug Weight and Tony Amonte most notably) to get some short term veteran playoff performers like they did in 94, although in fairness, they did draft Leetch--who is the best player in franchise history, Zubov, who they stupidly traded and is now a HoFer, Nemchinov, Kovalev and Richter, which is better homegrown talent (along with Amonte and Weight) then they have drafted since Phil Esposito got canned as the GM. Imagine the 2014 and 2015 Rangers with any one of the All Star players who were selected after Jessiman, Montoya, and Sanguinetti and would have been in their prime during that run. Hell, if they'd taken any one of Zach Parise, Patrice Bergeron, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Brent Burns, Ryan Kessler, Mike Richards, Shea Weber of David Backes (all selected after Jessiman in 2003) or Drew Stafford, Travis Zajac or Andrej Mezaros (all taken after Montoya in one of the weakest drafts ever) and Claude Giroux (taken one pick after Sanguinetti), we'd be talking about a dynasty that would have erased the LA Kings and probably taken a a couple of cups away from Chicago. Jesus fuck it sucks being a Ranger fan.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:have to hope hank retires (i doubt he will). it sucks but i think you have to just eat it for a year and not buy him out.
i don't think you can commit the type of money (or term) tony d will want.
like you, i'm no fan of quinn.
BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:The Rangers are going to spend another 1-2 years on the Quinn experiment all the while wasting the better years of the core they've built around Kreider and Zibanejad.
I met Kreider once about a year ago and we talked for a little while. He had really great things to say about Shattenkirk. I wonder if there is any scenario where they bring him back.
claver2010 {l Wrote}:agreed, never understood the 'developer of talent' tag that he got which seems another example of lazy media that thought college coach = developer of talent
as for hakstol, nate gerbe took some tonto sized dumps on those teams
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:claver2010 {l Wrote}:agreed, never understood the 'developer of talent' tag that he got which seems another example of lazy media that thought college coach = developer of talent
as for hakstol, nate gerbe took some tonto sized dumps on those teams
True, but the most spectacular pantsing of a Hakstol North Dakota team by a BC player was Chris Collins "hitting for the cycle hat trick" (SH, ES, PP goals) in the 2006 Frozen Four Semifinal. A team that included on its roster TJ Oshie, Travis Zajac and Jonathan Toewes, along with a bunch of other guys who at least had cups of coffee in the NHL. A buddy of mine here in NoVa, who is also a BC grad sends his youngest to the same fancy pre-K school in McLean as Oshie (and basically every Cap and Nat with small children who live in Arlington, McLean or Great Falls). He has spoken with Oshie a lot at various school events and fundraisers and says that Oshie is a genuinely good guy and had a hilarious riff on that game. Basically said that Hakstol was completely out coached by York. That they were completely unprepared for how fast that BC team was and that they made the mistake of trying to play run and gun hockey with them for two periods before Hackstol figured out that if they dumped the puck in they had the size and skill to keep BC pinned deep, but by then it was too late--they scored to make it 6-5 with like 10 seconds left in the game. He described the team as Brian Boyle, Orpik's little brother and 20 incredibly fast midgets, which in looking at that roster seems a pretty apt description--there were only about four guys on that roster who played significant minutes were taller than 6' or over 200lbs.
BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:The Rangers are going to spend another 1-2 years on the Quinn experiment all the while wasting the better years of the core they've built around Kreider and Zibanejad.
I met Kreider once about a year ago and we talked for a little while. He had really great things to say about Shattenkirk. I wonder if there is any scenario where they bring him back.
EDIT: Quinn might not make it through the year.
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