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claver2010 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:are there hockey nerds in boston like there are here? the best flyers blog (for information purposes) is filled with advanced stats geeks and cba quoting weirdos.

Do they have pictures of shirtless boys?

THIS IS IMPORTANT! for TGOSB and TRE rhymes ghey

most likely. this state has had some problems with that lately.

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:I can't speak for stat geeks but I am a lot more well versed in the various intricacies of the CBA than I probably should be.

Some of the stat geek/cba afficianados take the fun out of being a fan. Also, they are generally wrong a lot.

I agree with the stat geek stuff just because hockey is such a fluid game you can't capture everything neatly in a few numbers. Which is unlike baseball in which every event of every play is pretty much documented. In terms of the CBA stuff, I've just kinda picked it up through osmosis and wanting to gain a better understanding of what is happening and why things are happening, such as the 35+ contracts, buyouts, LTIR and basically other cap related issues. I believe that process all started with either the Thomas 35+ contract or the Glen Murray buyout.

To answer your question eagle9903, there are both hockey nerds and hockey brutish types in Boston, just as there are in Philly. There are probably a lot more of both here than there are there, because Bruins territory is a lot more geographically expansive than Flyers territory (it goes north all the way to Canada and the Martime provinces and stuff). What we also have a lot of--as I'm sure the Canadian teams do as well--are the hockey-coach types who are probably somewhere in between the aforementioned categories. These are the types who sit quietly in their seats during play then analyze play with their buddies often in great detail during breaks in play. Some are tremendously knowledgeable, and others think the fact that they coached their kid's mite team in and of itself gives them expertise. This phenomenon is particularly pronounced here because people from Boston and surroundings self-indulgently think they make good hockey coaches as a rule on the basis that there have been a lot of good hockey coaches from Boston (any of the hockey coach types would cite guys like Laviolette, Torts, Joe Sacco, Brian Burke, Scott Gordon, Jack Capuano, Jerry, Parker, Bill Hanson, Ken Martin, and probably some others as evidence of this fact).

From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?

some yankee's fan spit on cliff lee's wife or something

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

Isn't that sort of what Cliff Lee said?

some yankee's fan spit on cliff lee's wife or something

Probably beside the point, but maybe she deserved it?

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.

Wasn't he offered more than what Minnesota gave him though? I know Parise was by Philly but wasn't 100% positive with regards to Suter.

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:From the WTF dept.

Suter's agent on his hesitation signing w NY...

“(Weber) is a small-town guy and (New York) is a huge city,” Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet said. “With New York, it was nothing personal."

this is probably an attempt to make it not seem like it was a pure money grab.

Wasn't he offered more than what Minnesota gave him though? I know Parise was by Philly but wasn't 100% positive with regards to Suter.

Yes. But Claver's post is confusing. Bousequet is talking about Weber, not Suter, although he is both of their agents. I take this as Weber saying through his agent, that while he doesn't want to be in nashville (mainly because they let sutter walk) he is not just going for the biggest paycheck, he is also going to a place he doesn't hate as much as new york. I think it is deflecting. Maybe I am misreading it.

Wow WTF I am an idiot and was running to a meeting was Weber not Suter

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/19/small-town-guy-weber-was-hesitant-to-sign-with-the-rangers/#comments

No worries, I also cannot read good. And I can't really blame a guy for passing up a city he doesn't like when signing a 14 year contract.

Rick nash to NYR?

Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.

Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.

Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.

Dreger: Dubinsky, Erixson and 1st believed to be 3 of 4 pieces included in Nash trade.”

who else hegelin?

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:who else hegelin?

Rumor is him or Anisomov

Edit: Looks like Anisomov

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:Sounds like it's close, that fucking canuck better have not given up McDonaugh or Kreider.

Stepan is not involved according to Dreger. I'd say it's more likely that Kreider is going than McD.

Dreger: Dubinsky, Erixson and 1st believed to be 3 of 4 pieces included in Nash trade.”

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:who else hegelin?

claver2010 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:who else hegelin?

Rumor is him or Anisomov

Edit: Looks like Anisomov

If this is the deal, it's not a whole lot that they're giving up (Nash's contract nonwithstanding). Erixon is a decent prospect, but as far as I know, he isn't a truly elite prospect. The first rounder will probably not yield a top 20 pick, either.

So looks like:

Anisomov, Dubinsky, Erixon, & a 1st for Nash.

Not terrible at all considering the names that Columbus has been throwing out there for months (personnel-wise, I'll leave the CBA/cap musings to FLYINGELVISFAXXOT

claver2010 {l Wrote}:So looks like:

Anisomov, Dubinsky, Erixon, & a 1st for Nash.

Not terrible at all considering the names that Columbus has been throwing out there for months (personnel-wise, I'll leave the CBA/cap musings to FLYINGELVISFAXXOT

yeah, that's really, really light. Wasn't Howson demanding Gaborik and Kreider at some point?

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:Flyers sign Shea Weber to a 14 year 100+ million dollar offer sheet. Will Preds match?

Hockey contracts are funny. Do the Islanders still have Slick DiPietro under contract through 2068?

Scott Howson deserves to be taken out behind the shed and shot. I hope Columbus enjoys another 5 years of mediocrity as they hope to be saved by a middling goalie that couldn't stick in Philly and an 18 year old smallish offensive defenseman.

Cap wise I imagine it nets out pretty even, though I have pretty much been of the thought since the beginning that I wouldn't want to touch Nash's contract at all. Now if he turns out to be a 50-goal guy now that he has a legitimate pass-first center carrying him along, then it could be worth it, but, man, that is an awful lot to pay for any winger, especially one that isn't an elite goal-scoring winger yet.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:So looks like:

Anisomov, Dubinsky, Erixon, & a 1st for Nash.

Not terrible at all considering the names that Columbus has been throwing out there for months (personnel-wise, I'll leave the CBA/cap musings to FLYINGELVISFAXXOT

yeah, that's really, really light. Wasn't Howson demanding Gaborik and Kreider at some point?

I remember it as:

1 of Kreider/McD
1 of Stepan/Dubinsky
1st rounder
Prospect

He was asking the B's for Hamilton, Seguin and a first. And settled for this pile of crap.

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Scott Howson deserves to be taken out behind the shed and shot. I hope Columbus enjoys another 5 years of mediocrity as they hope to be saved by a middling goalie that couldn't stick in Philly and an 18 year old smallish offensive defenseman.

Cap wise I imagine it nets out pretty even, though I have pretty much been of the thought since the beginning that I wouldn't want to touch Nash's contract at all. Now if he turns out to be a 50-goal guy now that he has a legitimate pass-first center carrying him along, then it could be worth it, but, man, that is an awful lot to pay for any winger, especially one that isn't an elite goal-scoring winger yet.

I prefer to think of Howson trading Couturier('s draft pick) and Voracek to the Flyers for 3 months of Jeff Carter who he would then trade for the tremendously awful Jack Johnson.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Scott Howson deserves to be taken out behind the shed and shot. I hope Columbus enjoys another 5 years of mediocrity as they hope to be saved by a middling goalie that couldn't stick in Philly and an 18 year old smallish offensive defenseman.

Cap wise I imagine it nets out pretty even, though I have pretty much been of the thought since the beginning that I wouldn't want to touch Nash's contract at all. Now if he turns out to be a 50-goal guy now that he has a legitimate pass-first center carrying him along, then it could be worth it, but, man, that is an awful lot to pay for any winger, especially one that isn't an elite goal-scoring winger yet.

I prefer to think of Howson trading Couturier('s draft pick) and Voracek to the Flyers for 3 months of Jeff Carter who he would then trade for the tremendously awful Jack Johnson.

I like to think of him as the guy that actually gave up something of value for Sergei Bobrovsky and is relatively content to go into a season where his job is on the line with him and Mason as his goalies.

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Scott Howson deserves to be taken out behind the shed and shot. I hope Columbus enjoys another 5 years of mediocrity as they hope to be saved by a middling goalie that couldn't stick in Philly and an 18 year old smallish offensive defenseman.

Cap wise I imagine it nets out pretty even, though I have pretty much been of the thought since the beginning that I wouldn't want to touch Nash's contract at all. Now if he turns out to be a 50-goal guy now that he has a legitimate pass-first center carrying him along, then it could be worth it, but, man, that is an awful lot to pay for any winger, especially one that isn't an elite goal-scoring winger yet.

I prefer to think of Howson trading Couturier('s draft pick) and Voracek to the Flyers for 3 months of Jeff Carter who he would then trade for the tremendously awful Jack Johnson.

I like to think of him as the guy that actually gave up something of value for Sergei Bobrovsky and is relatively content to go into a season where his job is on the line with him and Mason as his goalies.

Bob could be (but probably won't be) good though and it was only a 2 and two 4s or something.

it is never going to be 37 hours from now.