Endless Mike {l Wrote}:Traded to the Wild for Craig Weller, a 2011 pick, and the rights to Alexander Fallstrom. The fire sale continues, and it's only October.
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20091018wild_acquire_chuck_kobasew_in_trade_with_bruins/srvc=home&position=also
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:You realize that Kobasew's an overpaid 3rd-liner who hasn't done shit in most of the games he's played this year?
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:It was a good trade. Kobassew is useless and Svbotka or however you spell it will be fine. Their waiting to make a move at Kovolchuk.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:It was a good trade. Kobassew is useless and Svbotka or however you spell it will be fine. Their waiting to make a move at Kovolchuk.
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:BUConvict: No secret you and I disagree on the a lot even though I respect your opinion. I think you're wrong here also. You're treating Kessel like he was freckin Ovechkin or Malkin. Kessel is a fine player, but the picks they get back from Toronto b/c they will be terrible hopefully they can turn for a big scorer.
You can make fun of the puck moving D but Morris was a tremendous pickup and Boychuk looks pretty damn good also along with Chara and Wideman. I'd argue that the reason for their struggles this year have been Lucic playing awfully and a terrible PP. Granted Kessel would have helped on the PP but still, this team wouldn't be any better with him even if he were healthy. Also, Tim Thomas hasn't lit the world on fire. We'll see how this works out, should be interesting anyway.
buconvict {l Wrote}:eepstein0 {l Wrote}:It was a good trade. Kobassew is useless and Svbotka or however you spell it will be fine. Their waiting to make a move at Kovolchuk.
Ahh, the old "The Bruins are trading everyone for pennies on the dollar so they can make a midseason trade for _____" argument. Gotta love it. Hey, when is Forsberg signing with the B's anyway?
The Bruins gave up on this season the day they decided to not bring Kessel back. I don't care that he is injured and wouldn't be playing anyway. When you send that message to the players, you undermine their spirit. You further erode that spirit when you trade Aaron Ward for Eaves, then WAIVE Eaves so you can save an extra 800K.
Honestly, Bruins management is Boston's new Gingerbot. Bleep bloop cap space bloop bloop blurp puck-moving defenseman bleep blorp forechecking bloop bleep Krejci and Wheeler are better than Kessel bleep bloop draft picks blorp.
Six months ago, the Bruins were good. Really good. Then they played poorly for one week and got eliminated. Then they got the Winter Classic, Jacobs got 2K new season tickets sold, and they started to slash payroll and eliminate the best players. It astounds me that fools like Flyingelvii can look at what is taking place and buy into the GDF-esque rhetoric of "Well Kessel doesn't forecheck so he sucks, and Kobasew sucks too and Brad Boyes sucked too so we traded them all to clear space and get Stanley Cup caliber players like Shawn Thornton and Dennis Wideman and Byron Bitz".
The Bruins are fucking terrible right now, and no, they will not trade their precious draft picks for Kovalchuk in February. After all, why add the salary and lose the picks when you're sitting in 7th place? They need to think about the FUTURE. It's not like the had one hundred and twenty fucking seven points last season or anything. They need to keep the picks so thy can draft a young superstar like Phil Kessel. Or maybe they'll do themseves one betterand draft all-world puckmovers like Eric Hamell.
Fuck the Bruins. They're clueless and they suck and the fans deserve better.
/rant
*Even though I'm always arguing with Elvii, I respect you.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Forgot to add, but the B's also get a $42k cap credit next offseason because Eaves had an escalating contract. Small but important with cap space at a premium next year.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:Traded to the Wild for Craig Weller, a 2011 pick, and the rights to Alexander Fallstrom. The fire sale continues, and it's only October.
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20091018wild_acquire_chuck_kobasew_in_trade_with_bruins/srvc=home&position=also
You realize that Kobasew's an overpaid 3rd-liner who hasn't done shit in most of the games he's played this year? They're getting cap space so they can potentially make a bigger move in the near future. They have something like 7 combined 1st's and 2nd's for the 2010 and 2011 drafts.
Endless Mike {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:Traded to the Wild for Craig Weller, a 2011 pick, and the rights to Alexander Fallstrom. The fire sale continues, and it's only October.
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20091018wild_acquire_chuck_kobasew_in_trade_with_bruins/srvc=home&position=also
You realize that Kobasew's an overpaid 3rd-liner who hasn't done shit in most of the games he's played this year? They're getting cap space so they can potentially make a bigger move in the near future. They have something like 7 combined 1st's and 2nd's for the 2010 and 2011 drafts.
No one's done shit this year, but it's a tad early to sell the farm, especially after what they accomplished last season.
This isn't making room for a big deal. I'd be surprised if they're even planning on signing all these draft picks they're getting.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Have you ever watched Wides play? Judging from your constant ripping on him, I'm going to go with no. He is probably a top 20 defenseman in the NHL. Boyes is probably a top 20 forward in the league. Read any hockey writer and it's pretty much consensus that the trade was a win-win. Boyes fit the Blues open system and Wides fits Juliens defensive minded system. Please enlighten me as to why Wides is such a bad player aside from adding "FUCKING" to his middle name.
I'm going to assume the same with Aaron Ward. He's not that good anymore and Morris, who is better than Ward and has been adept on the PP, is a lot better.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Endless Mike {l Wrote}:Traded to the Wild for Craig Weller, a 2011 pick, and the rights to Alexander Fallstrom. The fire sale continues, and it's only October.
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20091018wild_acquire_chuck_kobasew_in_trade_with_bruins/srvc=home&position=also
You realize that Kobasew's an overpaid 3rd-liner who hasn't done shit in most of the games he's played this year? They're getting cap space so they can potentially make a bigger move in the near future. They have something like 7 combined 1st's and 2nd's for the 2010 and 2011 drafts.
No one's done shit this year, but it's a tad early to sell the farm, especially after what they accomplished last season.
This isn't making room for a big deal. I'd be surprised if they're even planning on signing all these draft picks they're getting.
My point is that trading Kobasew isn't selling the farm. If they traded ANY of the top 6 I'd be angry but Kobasew is a pretty replaceable player. Solid but unspectacular.
Regarding the second point, Chiarelli has stated many times before that he likes to have some cap space to work with during the season, as you never know what's going to arise. In that sense it's a "salary dump" but this isn't a Thornton-esque deal. Kobasew's an expendable player. Not as expendable as, say, Hnidy or Bitz were last year, but still expendable nonetheless.
buconvict {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Have you ever watched Wides play? Judging from your constant ripping on him, I'm going to go with no. He is probably a top 20 defenseman in the NHL. Boyes is probably a top 20 forward in the league. Read any hockey writer and it's pretty much consensus that the trade was a win-win. Boyes fit the Blues open system and Wides fits Juliens defensive minded system. Please enlighten me as to why Wides is such a bad player aside from adding "FUCKING" to his middle name.
I'm going to assume the same with Aaron Ward. He's not that good anymore and Morris, who is better than Ward and has been adept on the PP, is a lot better.
I like Dennis Wideman. I just don't think that trading a guy who scored 40 goals last season for a 2nd line defenseman is a good trade. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone in the world would think that.
buconvict {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:Have you ever watched Wides play? Judging from your constant ripping on him, I'm going to go with no. He is probably a top 20 defenseman in the NHL. Boyes is probably a top 20 forward in the league. Read any hockey writer and it's pretty much consensus that the trade was a win-win. Boyes fit the Blues open system and Wides fits Juliens defensive minded system. Please enlighten me as to why Wides is such a bad player aside from adding "FUCKING" to his middle name.
I'm going to assume the same with Aaron Ward. He's not that good anymore and Morris, who is better than Ward and has been adept on the PP, is a lot better.
I like Dennis Wideman. I just don't think that trading a guy who scored 40 goals last season for a 2nd line defenseman is a good trade. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone in the world would think that.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:No it's not. Kobasew's been rumored to be leaving for a while now due to his contract. Literally nothing surprised me about this trade. You guys are putting waaaay too much weight on the importance, or lack thereof, of Kobasew's contributions. He's a fringe PP guy and isn't on the PK.
FYI, the most likely to get traded again is Ference. I would say Sturm but he has a no movement clause.
flyingelvii {l Wrote}:You apparently missed the trade where the Bruins picked up 25-year old Dan Paille for a 3rd round pick and a conditional 4th. Are you guys fine now. Paille is basically Kobasew Lite. And he's off the books next year. Are the B's still in fire sale mode?
Endless Mike {l Wrote}:flyingelvii {l Wrote}:You apparently missed the trade where the Bruins picked up 25-year old Dan Paille for a 3rd round pick and a conditional 4th. Are you guys fine now. Paille is basically Kobasew Lite. And he's off the books next year. Are the B's still in fire sale mode?
I didn't miss it. Yes, they're still in fire sale mode unless Paille is going to make up for all the goals they've traded away so far.
And I love how after tearing down BC guy Chuck Kobasew throughout this thread, you tell me that everything is okay because they traded for "Kobasew Lite".
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